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Jesus and Guns Part 1
Barnhardt.biz (Ann Barnhardt's blog) ^ | 4/18/11 | rae4palin

Posted on 04/18/2011 8:14:41 AM PDT by rae4palin

We need to have a frank discussion about Christianity, war and pacifism, because we may all be making direct decisions about these huge questions in our own lives before long. Some scripture popped into my mind earlier this week, and I was able to really dig into it yesterday. I was taken aback by what I found – but in a good way. I hope that this will help bring some clarity, or at the very least start some discussions. I have been thinking all day about whether or not my exegesis is being influenced by my own personal leanings on this subject. Perhaps it is. You will need to be the judge of that – but consider yourself disclaimed.

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Okay. Stop, stop, stop. Hold the phone. Put out the cat. First of all, this proves that He was speaking in the literal sense in addition to the figurative sense. But more importantly, do you realize what this means? At least two of the apostles arrived at the Upper Room wearing side arms, which they then took off so they could sit on the floor around the low table that was used in those days. What this also means is that there were side arms present, in the room, at the Last Supper.

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To: hiredhand; Squantos; Gilbo_3

Magnificent woman.

She did an excellent job. I was raised on the Douay Bible (12 years of Roman Catholic schooling).

Look up “AA-1025” and get the book. It’s a story of communist inflitration into Seminaries in the attempt to alter and destroy Christianity from within.


21 posted on 04/18/2011 10:01:29 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Sherman Logan
We need to be using the Douay-Rheims translation which was begun in 1582 and completed in 1610. It is only two steps removed from the original texts. The Douay-Rheims is the direct translation of St. Jerome’s Latin Vulgate. What an extraordinarily odd notion.If you had to translate an important business document from Russian to English, would you translate it from Russian to Chinese and then into English? Doesn't each step increase the change of error?

Apple and oranges. Remember, Jesus and the disciples were trilingual: Latin, Greek, and some Aramaic? And there is a lot of direct correspondence between Latin and Greek. The Gospel of Matthew of written in Greek, but some of what he recorded was actually said in Latin (for example, what Pilate said to Jesus).

22 posted on 04/18/2011 10:14:42 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: Sherman Logan
Somewhat of a side issue jumped out at me.

I have never seen any discussion of whether the apostles’ possession of swords was legal under Roman law.

It would seem very odd of the Romans to allow restive subject populations to carry arms freely.

I have wondered about that too. As long as you paid your taxes, paid lip service to Caesar and kept the peace, the Romans were not too oppressive? Carrying swords must have been permitted. The Roman soldiers in the garden apparently did not confiscate the swords or arrest the apostles. I guess their concept of arms control was limited to hitting what you swung at.

23 posted on 04/18/2011 10:49:31 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: backwoods-engineer
some of what he recorded was actually said in Latin (for example, what Pilate said to Jesus).

What makes you think Pilate spoke in Latin? The Roman aristocracy and officials had been bilingual for centuries. Greek was much more widespread in the East than Latin.

So in all likelihood Pilate spoke Greek to Christ and to the crowds.

24 posted on 04/18/2011 11:08:38 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: backwoods-engineer

The apostles were probably bilingual: Aramaic and Greek.

There is no evidence I’m aware of that any of them spoke Latin, with of course the notable exception of Paul, a Roman citizen. Some may also have had some Hebrew.

Christ himself no doubt was fluent in any language he chose to use. :)


25 posted on 04/18/2011 11:12:02 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Some may also have had some Hebrew.

I would imagine more than just a few jews of the time spoke Hebrew.

26 posted on 04/18/2011 11:26:41 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: thackney; rae4palin; hiredhand; NFHale
thanks thackney for posting the whole thing...

it took Luke 22:36 to spark my interest and see Lord Jesus as more than a pacifist hippie...

although i agree that theres plenty of *figurative* to debate as well, but to me its clear [and no human has dampened what i *know* in my heart] that the literal, in context, simply screams to defend myself and resist evils of 'the world'...

Blessings to all...

27 posted on 04/18/2011 8:31:54 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: rae4palin
We need to have a frank discussion about Christianity, war and pacifism

What Would Jesus Do?


28 posted on 04/19/2011 1:32:46 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Sherman Logan

I do know that any Roman Citizen {who wasn’t a slave} could possess and use a sword; the Apostle Paul is an example of one who was both a Jew and a Roman Citizen so some of the 12 could have been Citizens and therefore owning a sword would be permissible.


29 posted on 04/20/2011 2:36:13 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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