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To: MrTim29

Missed an important tidbit

In order to be a natural born citizen, not only must the person be born on US soil, but BOTH parents MUST be US citizens at the time of his birth.

Although it is common knowledge 0bama’s father was a Kenyan, thereby British, citizen at the time of his birth, there is no formal documentation of this.

Not without the long form.


6 posted on 04/25/2011 9:38:27 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten
"Although it is common knowledge 0bama’s father was a Kenyan, thereby British, citizen at the time of his birth, there is no formal documentation of this."

So, everything would be OK if The Kenyan's daddy was a U.S.A. citizen. Say, a Mr. Davis?

yitbos

8 posted on 04/25/2011 9:42:14 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: sten
In order to be a natural born citizen, not only must the person be born on US soil, but BOTH parents MUST be US citizens at the time of his birth.

That has never been tested in the courts. Currently, if someone is born on US soil, they are automatically a citizen regardless of who the parents are (with a few exceptions such as diplomats accredited to the US.) We have birthright citizenship based on jus solis.

13 posted on 04/25/2011 10:23:23 PM PDT by kabar
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To: sten
Although it is common knowledge 0bama’s father was a Kenyan, thereby British, citizen at the time of his birth, there is no formal documentation of this.

Sten, you are on the right track. Were Barack Obama Sr. a citizen, there would be a public record. There is a best selling book and a man claiming to be President of the U.S. who has told us his father was a British subject when he, the son, was born. Barack has told us he is not eligible by our ‘old’ Constitution to be president, but there is no one willing to accept his admission.

There is no doubt. It is amazing to see the inability of so many presumably literate people to trust their abilities to reason. What else can anyone believe when they can read the words of Chief Justice Morrison Waite in the first few paragraphs of one of the most important Supreme Court Cases on women's suffrage, Minor v. Happersett, from 1874:

“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”

World Net Daily has figured out that they will make lots of money by publishing a book supporting the diversionary tactic which Progressives have used so well to obscure the truth. Perhaps they too are cynical about the intelligence of the public, and figure they might as well make some money from the campaign - "Where's The Birth Certificate." Were they serious their billboards would have asked something like "Were mom and dad both citizens?" or "Dreams From My Father the Alien?"

Many justices, including Wong Kim Ark's Horace Gray, have repeated the truth: “Citizens are either natural or naturalized”. From our common-law, as Justice Waite explained, comes the only definition every used by our Supreme Court - “born on the soil of citizen parents.” Barack told us “I am a native-born citizen of the U.S.” His statement is from Title 8 US Naturalization Code, and is simply the admission that he was born on our soil, but not of citizen parents. He has the same status as Wong Kim Ark, based upon the 14th Amendment; he is a citizen, born on our soil. Some will claim native-born citizens are the same as natural born citizens. That means that anchor babies are eligible to be president. That means that the baby born to natural-born British subjects would have been eligible to be president after 1788. That is nonsense.

Obama was not born of citizen parents, and is ineligible. Every U.S. Senator signed Senate Resolution in April of 2008, agreeing the natural born citizens were born of citizen parents. SB 511 sponsored by Democrats on Obama’s campaign committe to convince people who might have paid attention during the eight years of questions about McCain's eligibility, that he was eligible. The Senate said McCain was eligible because of a condition, U.S. citizen parents, which Obama didn't satisfy. Those who know try to avoid the subject, but they all know. They are all afraid of the prospect of removing the ineligible black man. It is reverse racism, and fear of the thug enforcers of the left, and fear of the media who will continue to mislead those too busy working to read about our history. From SB 511 Hearings before the Senate Judiciary Committee:

“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied. “That is mine, too,” said Leahy.

14th Amendment originator, Congressman, Judge Advocate at Lincoln assassination conspiracy hearing, John Bingham explained natural born citizens to the House in 1866, because the 14th Amendment has no effect on natural born citizenship, but would express the Constitution's mandate, Article 1 Section 8, to establish a uniform code of naturalization - who were the naturalized citizens:

"I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen….

These are facts. The exotic life of Stanley Ann, her connections to the Geitners, the hints of connections to all sorts of characters from our past, make a more exciting story than the philosophy of our founders and framers. Ignoring the wisdom of our framers who were so concerned about foreign intrigue, and who employed a very old principle to try to insure the allegiance of our Chief Executive is costing us terribly. Learning the legal truth of Obama’s ineligibility does not prevent anyone from trying to learn about his past. It is full of intrigue, probably by design, to keep your attention off the ball. The book would probably still sell very well. But if our citizens cannot understand our Constitution, they will have deserved to lose its protections.

28 posted on 04/26/2011 2:30:02 AM PDT by Spaulding
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