Posted on 05/01/2011 7:36:43 AM PDT by jmaroneps37
Obviously, the 14th amendment speaks to “citizenship”, but does it speak to the “Natural-born” degree of citizenship in the context of presidential qualifications? I haven’t heard/read anyone discuss that directly, and of all the SCOTUS decisions being batted around, none have (so far as I have read) discussed that “natural-born” citizenship.
Agreed on the drip, drip, drip; but there’s a HUGE HOWEVER.
The media abhorred Nixon as it had no other president until, perhaps, W. The media were fully motivated and committed to humiliating and removing RMN, to the point that just about every White House, RNC and CRe-eP employee was under a microscope for nearly two years, while the very same media ignored scandals of at least similar proportion on the Democrat side—massive unaccounted foreign cash contributions before and AFTER the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971, Teddy’s deals with the Russians, treason charges never brought against Lt.(j.g.) Kerry, etc.
If I’d only read down a bit further — I now see the cite for “MINOR V. HAPPERSETT, 88 U. S. 162 (1874)”, which appears to reference Vattel, or agrees with Vattel, in reinforcing the definition of the term, “Natural Born Citizen”.
The "Natural Born" question needs to be answered, and soon, because this dumb son of a whore is causing a LOT of damage.
Hussein and his party are a bunch of socialist crooks who need to be run out of DC on a rail, and the press is their propaganda wing.
I guess it will be Trump who will have to bring it up, because the idiots running the GOP sure don't have the balls.
It is not a certified COLB containing the embossed seal of the DOH of Hawaii.
It is a copy of something...
It’s just an uncertified piece of paper that has no value FOR or AGAINST Obama certification-wise.
Stop wasting your time chasing the details on a piece of paper that has no weight people.
=8-)
I don't know, and the fact that the birth circumstances of those two US citizens raises questions just further illustrates the fact that "Natural Born Citizen" has not been clearly defined legally.
Like so many other areas of the Constitution, NBC is not clearly defined enough to settle all questions of all possible birth circumstances, either in the Constitution or in case law.
People need to stop pretending that it is. And, again, it is beyond absurd for anyone to say that Obama was ineligible because Obama, Sr. was not a US citizen: something that has been known and claimed by Obama from the beginning.
Another good question might be to ask if any court closer to the adoption of the fourteenth Amendment expressed any notion that the Amendment was intended to change the meaning of the terms used in Article II Section 1 (Natural Born citizen clause) Far as I know it was not until 1940 when in Cantwell v.Conn. the Court suggested it might be possible for a latter Amendment to alter the first Amendment-but that seems not to have been accomplished until Everson v.Board of Edu. 1947—but I am no lawyer not trained at metaphysics.
I would say let’s stay tuned. Trump must be fuming after last nights personal attacks from the “bad student” who somehow managed to get into top Ivy League schools.
If I were Trump, I would declare as a democrat and get on all the states’ ballots and challenge Obama’s eligibility in every state when he files.
Also, Trump could join the dem primary debates and that would prove to be very discomforting for Obama.
I would not put it past The Donald to go after Obama on issues of fraud and criminality as well. This could get down right bloody.
It excludes foreign diplomats and, at the time, Indians who were not US citizens. They are now.
Thing is, this time around, there is no real media interest. Much of Fox News is even in bed with this president (O’Reilly for example). No way will they fully investigate.
Nothing is going to come of this. We are stuck with this incompetent at least till the next election. We should now concentrate on finding a true conservative candidate to run against him and ditch Romney, Huckabee and the other RINOs.
No Woodward and Bernstein this time around, but who has a bigger megaphone than Donald Trump at the moment???
It excludes foreign diplomats and, at the time, Indians who were not US citizens. They are now.
From your keyboard to God’s ears . . .
Unfortunately, given the spinelessness of our courts in defending the Constitution, with their “no standing” dismissals of all cases bearing on the issue, the only way to force this issue is for the legislature and governor (or a supermajority in the legislature) to adopt a law codifying the Vattel interpretation of “natural born citizen” as a requirement to be listed on the ballot as a candidate for president or vice-president and forbidding electors from being accredited to or voting for anyone not so qualified. Let Obama sue. Such precedent as exists is against him. But I’m not sure any have the guts.
Well then it will be difficult or impossible for the ‘rats to bring this issue to the media should either Jindal or Rubio decide to run.It would only spotlight Barry’s foreign born paternal parentage.
As they say “What’s good for the goose is good for the gander”.
Where does it say that? I read it again and I still don't see it there.
Are you reading that right? It says, “...include as *citizens*...”
It does not say, “...include as *natural-born-citizens*...”
Different degrees of citizenship are in play and that is where the confusion lies. An anchor-baby child born in the US to one or two illegal immigrants may be a citizen based on birth jurisdiction (your quote specifically), but that child wouldn’t be eligible to hold the office of POTUS. Similarly, Schwarzenegger is a citizen, and Gov of CA, but can’t be POTUS — those examples are not “natural-born” citizens (holding no birth allegiance to any other nation-state).
The founders set the bar as high. The problem is that they went and articulated that qualification in the Constitution, and try as they might, those wanting this issue to evaporate can’t get around the very succint & simple definition of the term in use at the time of the framing of the constitution: Born in the US to two US citizen parents.
To anyone who disagrees — don’t get angry with me; get angry with those pesky founding fathers. Personally, I’d like to see the issue pursued to *some* clear resolution, if only to preserve the supremacy of the Constitution. To ignore the issue opens the door to ignoring other parts of the Constitution and the statists would dearly *LOVE* to run wild with that mind-set. I think congress and the courts have chipped away at it enough. Don’t you?
I think the BC numbers are in sequence and 0bama was born in a different location than the Nordyke twins.
The Daily Pen did some work on the order of the newspaper announcements, the BC registration numbers, and the date each birth record was registered.
0bama was probably not born in Kapiolani.
1) The local register for 0bama’s certificate is U K L Lee. That person, in June 1962, apparently registered the BC for Edith Coates, born in Wahiawa hospital (22 miles from Kapiolani)
2) Wahiawa is a small town. Wahiawa is surronded by Military bases. Wahiawa is home to the Dole pineapple Plantation.
3) 0bama Sr., per immigration records, claimed to work at the Dole plantation Aug&Sept of 1960. He also claimed to work as a dishwasher during 1960.
Just a few roads leading to Wahiawa
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A) Who in D.C. has the balls to make him do what you want?
B) Who in D.C. has the balls to remove him from office if he refuses?
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Folks used to say the same thing about forcing his hand in producing a Birth-Cert — until Trump did it.
I should say, Trump or someone like him could keep it front & center in the media, day after day, until momentum builds and someone in a position to actually do something finds it politically expedient to take action.
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