Considerations For SHTF Living & Bug Out Locations

SHTF Plan ^ | 4-4-2011 | Mac Slavo

[yarddog]

Sherman’s march has just about nothing to do with any situation we are considering.

Sherman had over 100,000 men well supported marching through and area where nearly all the men were gone.

Sherman was opposed by a small army without any hope of really stopping him.

A much more realistic comparison would be Mosby’s rangers in Virginia.

[trapped_in_LA]

“LOL by a bunch of urban slugs?”

Doesn’t matter, this is a numbers game and trust me there isn’t anything magical about rural areas. Put a few thousands guys that are well organized out in the field and they’ll easily mow down the few dozen that any small rural area can muster against them. Plus they’ll have heavy weapons where all you’ve got is small arms. We aren’t talking about gang bangers here, we are talking about what’s left of the middle class in the cities organizing to survive.

[pyx]

I believe its very important to also answer the following questions so, please answer fully the following FIVE questions.

1.) How many people over 45 years of age reside within areas that would be considered to be SHTF and and BUG OUT areas ?

2.) How many people over 45 years of age AND living in areas identified above are more than 25 pounds overweight ?

3.) Of the potentially tens of millions of people over 45 years of age and over AND living in areas identified above AND more than 25 pounds overweight, what is the number likely to survive a "MAD MAX" scenario such as the one described which would require someone to BUG OUT in the first place ?

4.) Out of the survivors in the "MAD MAX" scenario you describe, what percentage would be willing to look through the sights of a rifle and then blow a hole and kill a fellow American at roughly 50 yards ?

5.) Mistakes and mistaken identity will be made. At 50 yards in a treed area, someone carrying a garden implement could easily be mistaken for someone carrying a rifle. Of the percentage that would be willing to shoot fellow Americans at 50 yards, what realistic percentage do you think have actually shot at a real live human being who is completely unarmed ?

[Free Vulcan]

My county is pretty rural. We have 35K people here. Even the really rural counties here have 6-8K people each. Many have guns.

Most middle class in the cities have no guns whatsoever. I’m not sure how they are going to get the weaponry you are talking about. You are talking about strangers going from county to county to county without supply lines trying to survive with no familiarity of the terrain. Not exactly a superior position.

[meatloaf]

If the distribution of food is interrupted, the same thing will happen here.

[cripplecreek]

I’ve seen how urbanites react to difficulties. Many will die while awaiting rescue or in rioting when they realize that rescue isn’t coming, many will die in the escape and those that remain will find a home in the small rural towns that will take them.

[cripplecreek]

The biggest city in my county is around 20,000 people. Half the population fears the country and the others could easily disperse to the small towns where they would be useful.

However a lot of people will head south rather than try to survive a winter.

[blam]

"If the distribution of food is interrupted, the same thing will happen here."

Just posted:

Smithfield CEO: Higher Food Prices Are Here To Stay

"And we’re going to be seeing food shortages in the US in the coming months."

[pyx]

I’ve seen how urbanites react to difficulties. Many will die while awaiting rescue or in rioting when they realize that rescue isn’t coming, many will die in the escape ...

Respectfully, calling anyone who lives anywhere inside a built-up area as urbanites, seems somewhat elitist. How many "urbanites" do you believe exist who are over 45 years of age and more than 25 pounds overweight ? Would TENS OF MILLIONS of dead "urbanites" be stacked up like cord wood or just left to rot ?

Yes, in a "MAD MAX" scenario there would be roaming gangs of thugs from cities. There would also be packs of hungry once domesticated dogs and kitty cats turned feral and have gone wild. There would also be government troops of very well armed soldiers with heavy weapons who have been well trained and are more than willing to follow any orders without having a second thought.

[GOPJ]

Winter sucks but its also an advantage because those who can’t cope will head south.

That's going to be a problem for those of us living in Florida. We'll get all the folks who don't 'fit' up there - the ones looking for an easy way...

[cripplecreek]

Well you’re always welcome to come on up. The state is mostly empty north of Lansing with lots of fish and game. If things get bad the state will be even emptier. The winters suck if you’re not used to them but they’re far milder than you’ll find on the west side of Lake Michigan.

[GOPJ]

There’s a retired Navy Seal living a few houses down from me - and he’s OVER 45 years of age... what do you make of that? Also, my guess is neighborhoods with collective higher IQ’s will do better than places that count on ‘people under 45’...

[JohnKinAK]

Yes, Orlando will make a fine place to ride out the collapse.:)

[GonzoGOP]

Most middle class in the cities have no guns whatsoever. I’m not sure how they are going to get the weaponry you are talking about.

Depends on who gets what when things fall apart. The Illinois National Guard has equipment for a full brigade of infantry including IFVs and artillery support. Most of the equipment is located between Chicago and the Fox River, (Chicago and Suburbs). Now when Mayor Rham besides that he needs to feed the 9.8 million people in the Chicago Metro Area and moves into Southern Illinois to get the food, how you gonna stop him unless you have army of your own? And before you say the troops won't do it remember the Illinois National Guard troops will be watching their urbanite families starve. So when the choice is watch your kid starve or drop a barrage on some farmhouse the choice gets a bit more gray.

You got anything in your basement that can counter battery 155mm howitzers or an MLRS? Cause Mayor Rham has them, and GOV Quin is going to jump when Rham tells him to mobilize the guard.

Like i said there will be order, but it will be the order of the warlords. Every general will have to throw in with one group or another. And it may come down to lower officers at the company level making the call.

[tbw2]

What is the probability of an HOA becoming a nucleus of the community organization this article talks about?

[cornfedcowboy]

I agree. The SHTF scenario would probably look like the economic collapse in Argentina some years ago.

[Free Vulcan]

Maybe. Lots and lots of territory to cover. Towns every 5 to 10 miles. Outnumbered 10K to 1 and there won’t be any defined front or target. It’s not like Fallujah where you got towns in the middle of a desert of nothing. They will have serious attrition issues if people start fighting back. It may be like Somalia.

[Kartographer]

My HOA is worse then a Democrat controled Congress!

[Kartographer]

"You got anything in your basement that can counter battery 155mm howitzers or an MLRS?"

If I did my momma didn't raise a child foolish enough to post it on an open forum.

[qam1]

I’ve seen how urbanites react to difficulties. Many will die while awaiting rescue or in rioting when they realize that rescue isn’t coming

Yes, I think many people overestimate their chances.

Long before the rural areas feel any pain, when those 1st of the month checks are no longer are enough to pay for their HBO or the insurance on their Cadillac Escalades, they will 1st turn on each other and burn their own cities down.

Look at Katrina, they didn't threaten any of the out lying areas. When the SHTF they waited for the government and when the government didn't come soon enough, they didn't know what to do with themselves and they turned on each other.

Same will happen next time, except this time the government will never come and they will die waiting for Obama to come save them. And this is not just minorities, urban & suburban whites are also equally week and dependent.

Long before rural areas feel the effects the urban metrosexuals and gangbangers would have tore themselves apart. Life will be difficult in rural areas, but all they have to do is wait it out.

One consolation though is white Liberals will get what they deserve for all the misery they caused. And I wonder, when they are huddled all alone and the mob shows up outside, as they are dragged out into the street, will it finally dawn on them on what fools they have been.