Posted on 05/10/2011 11:23:09 AM PDT by markomalley
Wait...I'm confused... you are NOT a parent? I thought you had two daughters?
I’m not a social engineer, but I’m not predatory either.
I do think that it is a person’s right to seek their destiny without interference, even to the point of death. However, I also think there is room for helping those not able to help themselves.
>>Wait...I’m confused... you are NOT a parent? I thought you had two daughters?<<
I do have daughters. They are not in PS. Therefore I see the school through the eyes of an employee.
>>I’m not a social engineer, but I’m not predatory either.
I do think that it is a person’s right to seek their destiny without interference, even to the point of death. However, I also think there is room for helping those not able to help themselves.<<
You are a social engineer if you believe that government is “helping”.
>>Who knows, maybe more parents would be more involved if they had more options other than home-school, private school (that they pay for), or public school. <<
We are in full agreement there.
The problem is that schools blackmail parents into doing what they want with the kids. They have for years. Now you have parents who spend the majority of their day away from their parents. These people look at school as a total immersion because the schools have taken that role and run with it.
Wonder why people don’t parent? They have been basically told that they shouldn’t and don’t have to.
There will be homeschooling. The mass of homeschoolers out there is big enough that it will take a lot to get rid of us. And even then.... you can have my kids but you’ll have to take my guns, too.
Netmilsmom, I noticed your response to the comment above. We see this NEA talking point often.
So..... Some parents neglect their children. I have an idea!
Let's have NEA teachers snatch all newborns from the arms of their mothers in the the delivery room. They could then be raised ( like Perdue chickens) in government newborn schools. Hey! Why not? Some parents could neglect their children.
Also....Regarding the 47% of people in Detroit who are illiterate:
When government schools neglect children should the children be forced to homeschool?
Honestly....For many of those 47% who can not read it **literally** would have been better for them to have **never** gone to government school! They would still be illiterate but they would have been spared the school generated toxic socialization of hyper-sexualization and gang culture as well as the paralyzing Marxist indoctrination of victimhood. Many people overcome illiteracy as adults and go on to lead very successful lives, but emotional and spiritual damage too often has eternal consequences.
And, finally,.....Where are the studies that prove institutional schools teach anything at all? Hm? How much is learned in the class and how much knowledge is acquired entirely due to the child and his parents’ efforts IN THE HOME!!! ???? Are these government schools that spend $13,000 to $26,000 per year per student merely sending home a curriculum for the parents and child to follow in the home?
These are very basic questions and any “professional” educator should be able to provide links to studies in an instant, but in all these years NO teacher or professor of education has ever given me a link. How can anyone run a school and not know **exactly** where ( home or classroom) the knowledge is acquired and who ( parent, child, teacher) is doing the hard work of teaching???? And, these guys and gals want to be thought of as “professionals”? UNBELIEVABLE!
My conclusion:
If every government school in this nation closed tomorrow the **same** children who are getting an education today would get one tomorrow. Those who aren't getting an education would be at minimum be spared the emotionally debilitating and constant indoctrination of victimhood and the physical danger of these prison-like “schools”.
Nice chatting with you...have a pleasant day...I’m out
Unless you are willing to take direct reponsibility for children who are unfortunate to be born to the wrong sort of parents, than there needs to be room for aid from the government. You can keep the government on a short leash.
The only alternative is to tell the child, “sucks to be you”, which makes you predatory.
I’m not prepared to doom kids to fates that were not of their choosing. I just happen to think there is a happy medium between the two somewhere.
You go girl.
That’s exactly right.
Keep the government on a short leash? That's worked out real well so far, hasn't it?
Or do you have some proposal that might actually work to accomplish that?
There's nothing the government can't screw up once it gets its hands on it. It is not the responsibility of the government to bail people out. That's the whole problem these days. It creates entitlement mentality.
Just how old are you anyway? You don't seem to have a real good grip on what's wrong with the government running things.
It’s called the vote box.
Unless you have a proposal to help ensure wayward children, without abandoning them, to which I am all ears, I can only conclude that you want the government out of your life and, if it results in the death of people to do it, so be it.
Which is as I said, predatory.
As I said, I’m all for minimal government, but we must be prepared to care for the uncared for as well.
It’s the job of the church to care for the poor, and any individual can step up any time to help someone they see in need.
There have been wayward children through out human history. Life is not all rainbows and ponies for everybody, but it is NOT the government’s job or responsibility to take that on and rob other people to do it. It worsens the problems.
Help the people out yourself. That will do more to fix the problem than just giving handouts and creating entitlement mentality. You do not understand what a motivating factor having to be on your own can be to take care of your own.
Parents get this mentality because they are told that if they won’t/don’t do it, someone else will step up to the plate for them. They are bailed out and it worsens the problem.
There’s nothing wrong with overcoming adversity.
The government in the life of people results in death too.
Every month there is a new story about a no knock raid killing some innocent homeowner, or a lawful concealed carrier being shot dead in a parking lot by the cops. And the cops lie about it and try to cover it up. The cops are the ones with guns but I’ve seen corruption and lies in all areas of government and no way to hold them accountable.
I don’t know about anyone else, but if it’s too soon to shoot the bastards, then my answer is to keep the government as far from my life and family as possible.
If I ever got word that Social Services was interested in me and my kid, we’d be three states away by morning. Not because my husband and I are guilty but because I do not and cannot trust the government.
THAT'S the short leash????
And how's that working out these days?
You are naive to the point of delusion if you think that's all it takes.
Not everybody wants to overcome adversity. Some are quite content to watch their children die.
Are you prepared to watch children die?
That is not a problem of government. That is a problem of people needing to be held accountable.
That is aLl the Forefathers thought it would take, outside of outright tyranny. But it is your responsibility to use it and use it well.
As Winston Churchill said, there’s no such thing as too much democracy.
William Norman Grigg, 2009 “Hotlined” at his
Pro Libertate blog. [link below]
“Grab some clothes and get into the van, now.”
For an instant, that directive, and the tone in which it was issued, had the opposite of its intended effect: Korrin and our five older children, momentarily paralyzed by shock, looked at me in alarm. There was something in both the tone of my voice, and the expression on my face, that was new and a little frightening. None of them had seen my “game face” before. They were seeing it now.
... ... ...
Earlier this year, I met with a handful of close and trusted friends to discuss various crisis scenarios — from the systemic breakdown of the commercial food distribution network to the possibility that one of us might find his family targeted by the CPS. Those meetings were the idea of a good friend who is a very well-informed and astute survivalist. Relatively little was accomplished at those meetings, but as recent events testify, what little was done proved to be indispensable. ... ...
[the “suspicious circumstances” that prompted the CPS visit]
Why would a police officer visit me with a complaint about overgrown weeds that are not visible from any of the streets that run by our house? He couldn’t have seen them from the street. Clearly, he was responding to a complaint from someone who had recently been in our backyard.
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2009/08/hotlined.html
IOW, everyone and anyone needs a plan. NOW.
William Norman Grigg, 2009 “Hotlined” at his
Pro Libertate blog. [link below]
“Grab some clothes and get into the van, now.”
For an instant, that directive, and the tone in which it was issued, had the opposite of its intended effect: Korrin and our five older children, momentarily paralyzed by shock, looked at me in alarm. There was something in both the tone of my voice, and the expression on my face, that was new and a little frightening. None of them had seen my “game face” before. They were seeing it now.
... ... ...
Earlier this year, I met with a handful of close and trusted friends to discuss various crisis scenarios — from the systemic breakdown of the commercial food distribution network to the possibility that one of us might find his family targeted by the CPS. Those meetings were the idea of a good friend who is a very well-informed and astute survivalist. Relatively little was accomplished at those meetings, but as recent events testify, what little was done proved to be indispensable. ... ...
[the “suspicious circumstances” that prompted the CPS visit]
Why would a police officer visit me with a complaint about overgrown weeds that are not visible from any of the streets that run by our house? He couldn’t have seen them from the street. Clearly, he was responding to a complaint from someone who had recently been in our backyard.
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2009/08/hotlined.html
IOW, everyone and anyone needs a plan. NOW.
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