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Seal Found on Obama BC - But it Proves the Document Forged
Butterdezillion's Blog ^ | 05-13-2011 | butterdezillion

Posted on 05/13/2011 12:40:26 PM PDT by butterdezillion

I was wrong. There apparently WAS a "seal" on Obama's BC. Savannah Guthrie says she felt it and she took a photo that shows a faint outline of a seal.

Unfortunately for Obama, that "seal" IMHO cannot be the same seal as on the Factcheck photos. The size, style, content, and clarity is way off.

This "seal" causes even more problems for Obama's case, although it explains why the media didn't see an immediate problem because of the missing seal.

Not meaning to pimp my blog, but there is no way to post the images here in a PDF where the analysis can be seen. Please check out the images - especially the last one which contrasts the Factcheck seal with Obama's latest attempt at forgery. (Pardon the first line being cut off on the PDF; computer hassles too much to deal with right now).

The direct lik to the PDF is http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/obama-bc-seal-contradicts-factcheck.pdf


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; forgery; naturalborncitizen; obama; seal
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1 posted on 05/13/2011 12:40:36 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: rolling_stone; STARWISE; bvw; bgill; LucyT; rxsid; Fantasywriter; SatinDoll; Jim Noble; patlin; ...

Ping. Please let anybody else know, if they’re interested in this subject. Thanks!


2 posted on 05/13/2011 12:43:13 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion

Clickable link to the PDF:

http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/obama-bc-seal-contradicts-factcheck.pdf


3 posted on 05/13/2011 12:45:03 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion
there is no way to post the images here in a PDF where the analysis can be seen

Quit using PDF format and that problem will go away.

Lifted from your PDF.

4 posted on 05/13/2011 12:49:28 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: butterdezillion

To quote The GREAT BOB GRANT:”He’s A FAKE,PHONY,FRAUD”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


5 posted on 05/13/2011 12:53:49 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: humblegunner

Can you show the last 2 images from the PDF - the ones which show the Factcheck and long-form seals side by side? That’s the main thing people need to see.

I use PDF because it is the only way I know of that basic Wordpress allows images and text to be uploaded at once so a person can use editing features that are in wordprocessors, which are essential to the kind of analysis I do.


6 posted on 05/13/2011 12:55:39 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: bandleader

Exactly. And so is everything he’s presented as “documentation”.


7 posted on 05/13/2011 12:57:57 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion

The link to your article crashes the Internet which “stops working” and though the article is “recovered” it states that something with the article post causes the internet to stop functioninig.

I tried it a half dozen times.

Your main page works but not that one.

You might want to redo it and see if it does. Please ping me when it does.


8 posted on 05/13/2011 12:58:26 PM PDT by FARS (Be healthy, happy and thrive,)
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To: FARS

2 Terabytes ought to make it real.


9 posted on 05/13/2011 1:02:03 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: bandleader

“To quote The GREAT BOB GRANT:”He’s A FAKE,PHONY,FRAUD”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

“It’s déjà vu all over again”.


10 posted on 05/13/2011 1:03:00 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: FARS

I didn’t have any problem with it. Clicked on the URL listed as the source in my post here and on the direct link to the PDF.

Is anybody else having problems getting to this? I’d sure like to help you be able to get to it.


11 posted on 05/13/2011 1:03:52 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion
These?


12 posted on 05/13/2011 1:09:00 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Red Steel; Candor7; OneWingedShark; FreeAtlanta; Beckwith; The Comedian; Danae

Ping


13 posted on 05/13/2011 1:13:03 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: humblegunner

Yes! Thank you SO MUCH!!

Now if you really want to try banging your head against a wall you could attempt to get it through my thick skull how you actually did that. lol


14 posted on 05/13/2011 1:14:59 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion

bump


15 posted on 05/13/2011 1:16:02 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: humblegunner

Neither of those are “seals”, not even a “dolphin”. hee hee hee

But, Yes, What a FRAUD.

FUBO!!!!!


16 posted on 05/13/2011 1:17:32 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: humblegunner

Everybody please note the vertical cross-hatches where the two images meet. The cross-hatches have been lined up as closely as possible given that the Factcheck image is at a slight angle and distorts the sizes of the cross-hatches. (The top Factcheck cross-hatches are slightly smaller than the long-form cross-hatches and the lower Factcheck cross-hatches are slightly longer than the long-form cross-hatches. The middle cross-hatches are aligned, which is the best I can do. Interestingly, the Factcheck “seal” shows no distortion even though the cross-hatches do.)

With the cross-hatches as the point of comparison, these 2 seals are supposed to be proportionally the same size as each other.


17 posted on 05/13/2011 1:21:06 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: Texas Fossil

lol. They’re probably closer to being dolphins than Obama is to being eligible.


18 posted on 05/13/2011 1:22:24 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion

Yep, right you are.

Dolphins instead of seals for the Won who rides Unicorns that fart rainbows. hee hee hee


19 posted on 05/13/2011 1:26:27 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: butterdezillion

Please put me on your ping list.

Thanks!


20 posted on 05/13/2011 1:41:16 PM PDT by COUNTrecount (Barry...above his poi grade.)
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To: humblegunner

DONATE



21 posted on 05/13/2011 1:46:09 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: butterdezillion

great work butter!


22 posted on 05/13/2011 2:02:27 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: butterdezillion

Relevent question:

Has anyone (in the news media or elsewhere outside the Zerobama inner circle) actually claimed to have held and personally examined the paper copy(ies) of Zero’s documents?

I know there were two flunkie sycophants that said they examined Zero’s COLB a couple years ago, but they were unqualified and kool-aid drinkers, so they don’t count.

Shortly after Zero’s people posted the birth certificate on the white house website there was a flurry of snippets saying that the media had been invited into the white house to personally verify the authenticity of the documents. I have yet to hear or read a single first-hand report of any of them saying “yes, I saw it and held it and it looks legit.” Was that whole thing a false flag to get people to shut up or did I just miss the article(s) about it?


23 posted on 05/13/2011 2:12:51 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( Obama's in need of a good Caining next year. )))))
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To: Two Kids' Dad
Even if someone from the ObamaMedia “...saw it and held it and [said] it looks legit,” it would mean nothing.

The only person who could factually make that statement would be a forensic document examiner.

24 posted on 05/13/2011 2:42:40 PM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

Quote:
“Has anyone (in the news media or elsewhere outside the Zerobama inner circle) actually claimed to have held and personally examined the paper copy(ies) of Zero’s documents?”

On page 26 of “Dreams From My Father”, he says his paper copy is folded up and in a book.
Which makes one wonder why he sent to Hawaii for a copy.


25 posted on 05/13/2011 2:45:04 PM PDT by Verbosus (/* No Comment */)
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To: Beckwith

You are correct, but if someone like Bret Baier or Chris Wallace or John Gibson were to say that they’ve examined it and it looks legit, it would at least lend a tinge of credibility. At this point there’s nothing at all but smoke and mirrors and lies and fraud.


26 posted on 05/13/2011 2:47:04 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( )))))
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To: humblegunner
The one on the left you posted is a forgery ("FactCheck".org) and is the same as right side image seen below. And the one on the right, that you posted, is too faint and therefore I cannot read it or make it out.

Using Wingdings fonts, which are Dingbat fonts, written in the embossed seal seen in the Aug 2, 2008 "FactCheck" COLB image is laughable.



The FackCheck Obama COLB is just another forgery.

27 posted on 05/13/2011 2:47:41 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Verbosus
On page 26 of “Dreams From My Father”, he says his paper copy is folded up and in a book. Which makes one wonder why he sent to Hawaii for a copy.

He had misplaced his family Koran...

28 posted on 05/13/2011 2:48:09 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Verbosus

But 0bama didn’t write the book, so he can’t be held accountable for the contents of the story.

Butterdezillion has added another reason for fair-minded people to doubt the authenticity of anything and everything regarding the usurper. For that she is owed a debt of gratitude.


29 posted on 05/13/2011 2:50:49 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( )))))
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To: Two Kids' Dad

That was my question also, and I searched high and low without success for several weeks to try to find a first-hand account of somebody who said they had held the document.

Yesterday somebody here pointed me to Savannah Guthrie who says she felt the seal and took a photo of the BC. At my blog I’ve got the link to the obamaconspiracy.org article which has the image and links to the NBC web page containing the video and transcript of Guthrie saying she felt the raised seal. That was the first I was able to find of anybody claiming they actually touched the “certified copy”. Based on the photo she took I do believe there was something raised on the BC she saw/felt but it was so indistinct that it could have been just about anything. And it definitely WASN’T the same seal as was on the Factcheck photos of Obama’s alleged COLB.

Anybody who took seriously the need to verify the authenticity of the document would have tried to get good photos of that seal. Yet the only photo I could find was one by J Scott Applewhite which had no distinct signs of a seal. I can’t say for sure, but I suspect that the media may have guessed that the “seal” wasn’t authentic, or else they would have at least MENTIONED it in their news accounts.

And Obama’s people handed out to the press a 6-page packet of photocopies that used SNOPES as the source for Obama’s COLB image - an image that has no seal showing. Probably because they knew the Factcheck seal doesn’t match.

It would be so easy to come up with a credible forgery. Definitely leaves the question of why they posted such a BAD forgery. My gut tells me it’s because they have something planned that will ensure there is no 2012 election.

So anyway, the short answer to your question is that the only report I know of was Savannah Guthrie on NBC verbally claiming that she touched the raised seal. And this analysis I’ve done is based on the photo she took of the document she held.


30 posted on 05/13/2011 2:53:26 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion; All

Tried it seveeral times more and got the same response that Internet Explorer closed down for .... then it commes back to original page where the link to your article resides and THAT is the link which refused to work.

Here’s a laugh! I tried using Google Chrome browser and the response initially came back “cannot find www.google.com” in the search box.

I pasted your link into Chrome and after a hesitation it appeared.

Some effort is being made to prevent easy access to your article.

AntiMullah encounters similar problems from time to time where broadband is suddenly not available - probably an AT&T “block” since they are root at the ISP provider and hosting location.

Just for the fun of it look at:

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2011/05/google-censorship-by-techies-strikes.html

They have since restored the two missing articles!


31 posted on 05/13/2011 2:55:25 PM PDT by FARS (Be healthy, happy and thrive,)
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To: Red Steel

Both things Obama posted are forgeries. It should be fun, though, to hear them try to squirm out of the fact that the 2 “seals” they tried to use are different from each other. lol.

Where did you get the image of the genuine HDOH seal, if you don’t mind my asking? The HDOH has been squirming like crazy to get out of revealing what their genuine seal looks like.


32 posted on 05/13/2011 3:00:43 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion

But, but it’s not txe same specific hand held seal!!! But, but one was txe 2008 seal and this is txe 2011 seal!!! But, but this one is txe real one because Txe Won said it was!!! But, but seals are racist!!!


33 posted on 05/13/2011 3:05:50 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: FARS

Hopefully people will go ahead and copy the PDF and post it on their sites as well. I don’t care who copies it, as long as the information gets out there. And if it’s copied on multiple websites it’ll be tougher for the web czars to make it inaccessible.

So if anybody has a website and wants to post the PDF from their site please go ahead. They can’t stop all of us at once (unless Obama gets the internet kill switch he’s been trying to get...)

I’m glad you could finally get to it. Thanks for persisting. =)


34 posted on 05/13/2011 3:06:08 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: bgill

lol. You’re a great actress. Picked up the script really well. =)

The next thing we will be told is that we can’t really ever know what seal is the right seal to be used for a specific document - which, if true, would mean that the seals do absolutely no good because a person could come up with whatever seal they wanted for their forgery and there would be no way to prove it wasn’t really the one from the HDOH.


35 posted on 05/13/2011 3:10:01 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: Verbosus

I don’t have the link handy but Obama’s people at one point said the BC Obama saw when he was in high school (according to the book) was actually destroyed in a small house fire when Obama was around 11.

Can any sane person really consider these people credible? How could a joker like this get elected in the first place? It makes me wonder whether this nation is too stupid to continue to exist.


36 posted on 05/13/2011 3:13:38 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion

The HDOH would have been extra careful in placing their seal on it knowing full well the hoopla that would have followed if it wasn’t perfect. They would have made sure not to use an old seal that might have been dirty and they would have pressed it extra hard. No way would they have haphazardly barely made an impression with it.


37 posted on 05/13/2011 3:14:10 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: Beckwith

And that’s who we need to eventually look at whatever Hawaii has for Obama - as well as the computer logs to show the processing done on that record.

We REALLY need a state law that allows presidential eligibility to be challenged by normal people. All the evidence needs to be subpoenaed and tested forensically at this point.


38 posted on 05/13/2011 3:15:59 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: bgill

If they were not spitting on the American public they would have been extra careful.

But then, they wouldn’t have created 3 different BC’s for the guy either, if they had anything but contempt for the American people and the rule of law.

I cannot even begin to describe how despicable these people are.

If what I’ve read is correct and the US government has admitted it has the ability to control the weather and activate both earthquakes and volcanoes through HAARP, I’m wondering if Hawaii officials were told they would get a bad earthquake, tsunami, or volcanic activity if they didn’t do as they were told. That the entire state would literally be washed away into oblivion if they didn’t play the part. Maybe the tsunami that was supposed to hit Hawaii and then didn’t was the horse’s head in the beds of the Hawaii officials - just to let them know the threat was real and serious.


39 posted on 05/13/2011 3:23:46 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion

It can be found on the Internet. Ms Tickly has the same seal right? That is written on the Hawaiian seal the “Department of Health” and the “State of Hawaii.”

We know that ‘Dingbat fonts’ do not spell out those words or any words.


40 posted on 05/13/2011 3:29:56 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Right now there’s a raging war between Miss Tickly and Polarik regarding the authenticity of the seals found on the BC’s available on the web.

If there was a functioning HDOH these things would be easy to resolve. But then, if there was a functioning HDOH a lot of things would be different.


41 posted on 05/13/2011 4:09:04 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion; All

Basically I fully endorse your opinion that the BC FORGERY whole thing is a farce (pun not intended) to fool the people but the picture you are using, signed “uklele” or something like that has apparently been discredited so it may not be a good comparison document.

Be well and succesful and don’t worry, there seems to be so much to discredit the document provided by Obama that this technical glitch is not that big a deal.

I see striped suits - very wide black and white horizontal stripes - coming for those who have perpetrated and aided and assisted this fraud!


42 posted on 05/13/2011 8:33:29 PM PDT by FARS (Be healthy, happy and thrive,)
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To: butterdezillion
According to some birthers /focus/bloggers/2139124/posts?page=59#59 I lost the 2008 argument to Polarik. Ron Polarik probably has OCD and is certainly thin skinned. Despite his supporters here raining down on occasional critics like me, he still ended up leaving. Good riddance.
43 posted on 05/13/2011 8:45:03 PM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: butterdezillion
Note that the birthers have made little progress in rational thought since 2008. My post then focus/bloggers/2040486/posts?page=6221#6221 explained that you create the paper artifact, add the accouterments like the embossing stamp, then take pictures and present it as evidence. Nothing has changed since 2008, the birthers still think that somebody creates it all digitally like they do at Pixar. While that is possible, it is not likely that they would then process it to produce junky layers (D in Dunham in one layer, unham in another) for the hell of it. It is much more coherent with that evidence that a real piece of paper exists (with a seal) and that was scanned, that scan was manipulated a little (no content changes, just thresholding into layers) then that was posted as the WH PDF.
44 posted on 05/13/2011 9:12:51 PM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: FARS

The one with the ukulele-type name is the long-form that Obama presented. It HAS been discredited in many ways, as you say. This analysis just discredits it another way - by showing that the seal on it is different than the alleged HDOH seal on the Factcheck photos. That means one or the other or both have a seal that is not the real HDOH seal.


45 posted on 05/13/2011 9:31:04 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion

Good for you. Strive on!


46 posted on 05/13/2011 9:35:24 PM PDT by FARS (Be healthy, happy and thrive,)
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To: palmer

The “seal” they used was not the same as the one on the Factcheck document, so if they did the process that you described then they had different “seals” on the documents they scanned. How do you explain that?


47 posted on 05/13/2011 9:35:40 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion

Want a seal to make a fraudulent document seem real? See what’s for sale on eBay...

http://tinyurl.com/3u93ks9


48 posted on 05/14/2011 3:48:05 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: butterdezillion

I’m sympathetic to your cause, but I find this whole thing to be getting ridiculous. Trying to determine the validity of impressed stamps from crappy online JPEGs is folly. You are also ignoring the fact that the State of Hawaii have officially confirmed that the most recent release is authentic, which makes the seal a moot point.

IMHO, you should stop staring at these JPEGs and focus on searching for information such as school records, contemporaneous births and deaths, etc., which could punch holes in Mr. Obama’s story and potentially uncover fraud.


49 posted on 05/14/2011 4:47:34 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: butterdezillion
His original BC was created 50 years ago.

His extract was created during the election, so maybe a new version was used.

I do have concerns with the new BC he has presented. I suspect Abercrombie had it put in place, and that it is garbage. When viewing the content, it seems some handwritten signatures are a mix of different types of digital patterns. I do think his BC is being proved a fraud.

50 posted on 05/14/2011 5:13:35 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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