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Failed State Colonization - The Greatest Threat of Our Time
Sultan Knish ^ | May 25, 2011 | David Greenfield

Posted on 05/25/2011 10:58:37 PM PDT by rmlew

Let's compare two countries side by side. Country A has a sizable middle class and economy, social welfare benefits and a low birth rate. Country B is a failed state where thugs run amok in the street, a few families control the economy and the birth rate is off the charts.

Country A's citizens are taught that nationalism is evil and that everyone should get along. Country B's citizens are taught that they are the greatest people that ever lived and would be running the world if not for Country A. But despite all this, Country B's citizens all want to move to Country A. And Country A wants to let them. Because Country A needs new workers to subsidize its welfare state and voters who will vote for pro-social welfare parties.


Since Country B's workers want the social welfare benefits, they move to Country A. Country A ends up with a huge failed state population and dramatically increases its social welfare spending for them. Bankruptcy threatens, but change is almost impossible because the pro-social welfare benefits party has become very hard to beat. The pro-reform parties no longer tackle immigration, but try to get the immigrant vote. Their reforms turn into band aids. Country A slides toward the abyss. Country B continues shipping more immigrants every year who remain loyal to its culture and religion.

Country B is a failed state. But Country A is also turning into a failed state as it imports Country B's surplus population, along with its criminality, its political culture and its ignorance across the border.

Look at a map of the world, and what you see are successful states and failed states. This is a map that transcends ethnicity and race. It is not dependent on resources or the starting level of technology. It's not even dependent on wealth, or its level of distribution, Gulf petro-states with small populations can have rich subsidized per capita incomes, but they are still failed states dependent on a single resource and a vast army of foreign workers.

It was thought once that success would spread from the successful states to the failed states. That it was only a matter of passing along certain techniques, educating their leaders in modern universities and starting them off with some World Bank loans. But instead the reverse has happened. Rather than failed states becoming successful under the influence of successful states, successful states are failing under the influence of failed states.

Migration from failed states to successful states is leading the way to utter ruin. The Pakistanization of Europe and the Mexicanization of America are two examples of the phenomenon. But there are others. Cote d'Ivorie, one of the more prosperous African countries, has been taken over by Muslim migrant workers, with the armed backing of the UN. What happened resembled events in South Africa, but this time both sides were black. The difference was not racial, but religious. It is another example of an ongoing phenomenon. Failed State Colonization.

Failed State Colonization is the greatest threat of our time. It marks a major shift from the old era of colonization where successful states colonized unsuccessful ones. Now failed states are colonizing successful ones. Failed states have become a global plague through their population migrations, which spread terrorism, crime and bankrupt the social systems of successful states. And as the migration wave continues FSC is turning formerly successful states into failed states.


Failed states have higher birth rates and stronger group loyalties. That combination weaponizes their migrations into successful states with lower birth rates and weak group loyalties into a takeover. Failed State Colonization uses the disunity, tolerance and democracy of successful states to destroy them from the inside. It's not always a conscious act, but that doesn't make it any less destructive.

The grey squirrels didn't intend to wipe out the red squirrels in the forests of England. But the populations are incompatible and though the red squirrels may be a nobler breed, those very qualities that make them admirable, also make them less able to resist an incursion by a rougher breed. The high ground moralizing of successful states may also be admirable, but it is equally doomed in the face of an incursion by cultures whose only morality is the success of their own group.

Liberal immigration advocates cheer the destruction of our worthless culture as they look forward to a world state without borders. But there will be no world state without borders because the only people who believe in such a thing are wiping themselves out by importing migratory populations that don't think nationalism and patriotism are evils. Muslim and Mexican immigrants are not ashamed of their history. They don't think borders are a bad idea, so long as they're the ones who control where those borders are set. The left is destroying the West, but it is only the West that ever believed in a world without borders.

Conservative immigration advocates insist on a cultural exceptionalism that will absorb immigrants because of our innate superiority. And that can work in the proper ratios. Done correctly the host society ends up with some new ethnic foods, a few immigrant communities and some more loanwords. Done incorrectly, entire cities become no go zones and go bankrupt providing social welfare for all.

The difference isn't just in the numbers, though those are important, but selectivity. Immigration will almost always spike crime rates, but those go down as absorption takes hold. (So long as productive absorption is possible.) What you never do is import mass populations who think of your country as their own and want to take it over. In such a scenario the absorption will go the other way and then you end up with the likes of Taliban Terry, a former altar boy who goes around Dublin, with son Osama in tow.


The Western left has committed itself to multiculturalism, the Western right has committed itself to free enterprise-- and both positions make it hard to choke off the flow of migrants. The social welfare left and the anything for a buck right need more immigrants because there are jobs that the natives just won't do, like work without under the table without benefits while putting eight kids and two wives on the welfare rolls. The irresponsibility of corporations and social welfare lobbies inflates budgets and increases crime, while the blame gets passed around. And then you end up with cities that are No Go Zones, Imams preaching Jihad and Mexican flags waving at protests-- all because companies wanted cheap labor and left wing politicians wanted to build a constituency.

Failed State Colonization isn't an invasion by armed force. But then colonization by successful states often wasn't either. The natives lacked the will and unity to mount an active resistance, they didn't see the scale of what was happening until it was too late, the invaders took advantage of native hospitality and many of the natives collaborated with the colonists to gain some personal advantage. All three of these factors exist in Failed State Colonization. The West has failed to learn the lessons of its own conquests. And now it is falling victim to many of those same tactics.

The West is divided, the migrants are united. The scale of what is happening can only be seen on the ground or in a few mostly hidden statistics, but neither show the full scope of the phenomenon, and even if they did, most natives are conditioned to think of their countries as nearly invulnerable. When they learn otherwise, the shock is too much and they default to appeasement and collaboration. That's something the Incas could tell you about. Hospitality is lavishly extended to the migrants, but it's repaid with treachery and violence. Again something the Incas could tell us about. If their civilization was still around.

The difference between the successful state and the failed state is cultural. Successful states are successful to to the extent that they are democratic in that the agenda of the government mirrors that of the people. Failed states are successful only to the extent that their tyrants are competent, and even such competence has to be filtered through the culture of a failed state.

The successful state is dynamic, the failed state is static. The successful state is always getting things done, the failed state is just struggling not to fall apart. Where the successful state uses its resources and wealth to advance, the failed state locks them up or uses them to bribe its people. And when that fails it guns them down in the street. The successful state believes that hard work will give it a better future. The failed state believes that a turn of the wheel will put it on top of the world. The successful state blames itself for its failures. The failed state blames wicked conspirators who undermine it at every turn.

The greatest error of immigration advocates is the failure to understand that immigration does not just import a population raw for the mixing, but entire cultures with their own political culture. The migrating population of a dominant state imports its culture. The very element that made it into a failed state. 


The people of a failed state may work hard, but they don't believe that hard work will move them forward because the system is corrupt and rigged against them. Instead they either work mechanically or look for ways to beat the system. The black market is ubiquitous. Everyone cheats everyone else. Political leaders are not representatives, but patrons, linking the people at the bottom to the top, who can provide favors and make things happen. You don't vote for a political to reform a system, but to get in on the good side of his party and his family, who may then help out when you have to deal with the tangle of bureaucracy. Nothing works without a bribe. Not even the simplest things.

The people love and hate their country at the same time. They go from wanting to tear their leaders to pieces with their bare hands, to proclaiming them as gods in the space of a day. They distrust all leaders and yet they worship them. They fear the secret police and are its eagerest informants. The only injustice they protest against is personal injustice. They don't mind when the regime puts a thousand people to the wall, so long as one of them isn't their relative. They talk amongst themselves of whom the regime should really be shooting instead. "Ah, if only I were in charge. I would line them all up against the wall." That is the flavor of their democracy.

As successful states take on the political culture of failed states, their ability to reform their way out of the situation declines. Their welfare states might function if they could hold a steady native birth rate in a population that was steadily employed. But the companies of a post-modern country in a global economy feel no loyalty to remain and give up the profits they could make by outsourcing production. And a population for whom life begins after getting their second degree and where two family incomes are the norm is not going to have the birth rate necessary to sustain the next generation of the whole setup. Pouring a migrant population into the mix is like trying to fix a structural defect by setting the building on fire.

The more the ruling party responsible for the mess alienates the working class population it depended on, the more it needs immigrants to replace them as a voting base. The liberal parties become foreign parties. The conservative parties abandon their constituencies and chase after the immigrant vote. After all who are the natives going to vote for, the feckless leftist atheists or the good traditional conservatives who are busy observing Ramadan and learning to deliver speeches in Spanish.

As the system breaks down, the leftist parties pretend that nothing is wrong and the rightist parties go for slash and burn reforms that ignore the root of the problem. Scrap the military, nuke Medicare, cut funding to this office and that office. As if the root of the problem is the amount of money being spent, rather than the way it's being spent. Failing companies often try to cut expenses, but ignore that the underlying problem is not in the budget, but in its culture. The company isn't going under because it's spending too much money, that is a symptom of its fecklessness. It's going under because it has lost all sense of mission, it has lost touch with its old program and its new program is a dead end, and no one at the top can think of a reason for it to exist, except to keep them employed.


Take an honest look at Western governments and that's what you come away with. Massive bureaucracies that exist to provide compulsory services run by people who can't honestly provide a reason for the continuing existence of these countries except as an interim phase until the EU or the UN comes to take over for them. They mouth the rhetoric of exceptionalism, but they don't really believe it. They have more in common with their counterparts in other countries, than they do with the people whose lives they mismanage. Like most collapsing companies, the executives are obsessed with the minutiae of bureaucracy, enforcing rigid control in between attending lavish cocktail parties. They fiddle, Rome burns.

Failed State Colonization would not be a threat, if the successful states had not locked themselves into this mess. As the successful states fail, they lack the two elements that would repel the invaders. A high birth rate and a nationalist leadership. Those are elements the failed states do have. And so the showdown is an uneven one. The disparity is not of force, but of a willingness to use it.

Successful states attempt to avert the catastrophe by trying to police failed states, sending planes to bomb Libya to keep the migrants out, trying to shore up the Mexican government with aid and advisers. But those are all dead ends that lead to further entanglement and migration. American efforts in Somalia, Iraq and Yugoslavia have accomplished one indisputable thing. They have increased the numbers of Muslim immigrants coming from those countries. Practicing Nation Building on failed states won't stop them from colonizing us. It only accelerates the process.

Failed State Colonization is the greatest threat of our time, but it too is a symptom of the intellectual failures of the successful states. As failed states continue their prolonged collapse, they send out migrant populations which accelerate the collapse of the formerly successful states. This colonization means there will be no gradual decline. That we will not sink into the sunset like Japan, instead we will be brutally overrun. There will be no decline, but a fall.

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TOPICS: Government; History
KEYWORDS: aliens; civilization; democrats; fail; immigration; internationalism; obama; transnationalism

1 posted on 05/25/2011 10:58:49 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: SunkenCiv; Paleo Conservative; SJackson; dennisw; Cacique; Clemenza

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2 posted on 05/25/2011 11:11:17 PM PDT by rmlew (No Blood for Sarkozy's re-election and Union for the Mediterranean)
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To: rmlew

Good article.


3 posted on 05/25/2011 11:21:57 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: rmlew

The other problem we’re not allowed to talk about is that is we’re taking massive, demographic-changing immigration from low-IQ populations.

The elites prattle on about how it is not a problem losing all these mundane manufacturing jobs to China and elsewhere in East Asia because the USA is going to be a high-value added economy based on brainpower.

Yeah, right. Ain’t gonna happen. Eventually, the center of gravity for brainpower jobs will also be East Asia.

The USA has been royally screwed by a combination of open-borders anti-American radical leftists and open borders venal globalist Bush-McCain type RINOs.


4 posted on 05/25/2011 11:23:36 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Meet the New Boss

Low IQ is right.

It reminds me of a study done I think last year where the researcher was all in a panic because, with the low IQ’s of the immigrants, there won’t be enough of them to enter college. There won’t be plenty of ones with a HS diploma who could go.

It was amazing to hear it talked about. It was a big, d’uh!

What else have they NOT thought about?


5 posted on 05/25/2011 11:34:16 PM PDT by TruthConquers (.Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: rmlew

Brilliant and original thinking.....he tied together where this is going on. America, Europe, Israel all have failed states trying to colonize and change them to meet the failed states ideology


6 posted on 05/25/2011 11:40:53 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: Meet the New Boss
This is a simple mind hump.

An accurate description of interaction of civilizations since the concept of civilization was defined.

This has always been such, and always will be such.

This is the nature of the human species.

7 posted on 05/25/2011 11:42:35 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: rmlew; RaceBannon; onyx; WOBBLY BOB; Ezekiel

Wow - bump!


8 posted on 05/25/2011 11:47:33 PM PDT by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: dennisw

Ask the Egyptians or Romans or Greeks how resisting demographic realignment worked out for their empires.


9 posted on 05/25/2011 11:49:17 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: rmlew; Yehuda

BTTT and so easy to understand.

Regarding the US, English only on our ballots.
English only in our schools.
English our official language.
No exceptions.


10 posted on 05/26/2011 12:13:47 AM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx

Oh my goodness, but you would not believe (well, you probably would) what we saw at our daughter’s high school graduation tonight. The Valedictorian gave her speech in Spanish. No English. Hubby and I were disgusted. Daughter said that it was not the girl’s choice but that the school said one of the graduation speakers had to speak in Spanish, and the Valedictorian happened to be the only fluent Spanish speaker, so she was given the task. There was no interpretation. The other speakers spoke in English. The principal spoke in English and a little bit of Spanish. I guess there were several Spanish speeches at last year’s graduation, but none of the students wanted to do it this year. So why did the school insist? It’s not like these students have not spent the last 13 years speaking English in school. I wouldn’t even have objected if the Valedictorian had spoken in both languages, interpreting her English speech to Spanish. We do live in an area in which there are a lot of people with Mexican family members, and they cross the border frequently. It was quite annoying.

I thought I might be disgusted with the lack of formality at the graduation ceremony, but it was a rather festive occasion even if the crowd was less than quiet during much of the ceremony. The people were genuinely happy with the accomplishments of the graduates. Now we won’t talk about how some students were not actual graduates but were allowed to walk as if they were receiving diplomas. heh Less than 20 students were not official graduates. Maybe they will manage to pass the state mandated test eventually. (sorry for my tangent . . .)


11 posted on 05/26/2011 12:28:51 AM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: petitfour

Words fail me, dear petitfour! I am furious and SAD!
That’s worse than a travesty! Worse than inappropriate!


12 posted on 05/26/2011 12:45:19 AM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: petitfour

The person who made the Valedictorian deliver her address ought to be reported to his or her superiors and summarily fired! This is an OUTRAGE in America! No translation or her address ALSO delivered in ENGLISH!!


13 posted on 05/26/2011 12:48:22 AM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx

Did you see the students who made the big ruckus over the Mexican American studies classes in Tucson? It made the national news a few weeks ago. I don’t think the school district administrators care about this or if they do, they are too afraid of the mob tactics around here to do anything about it. No one would have cared if everything had been in English with some interpretation.


14 posted on 05/26/2011 12:55:43 AM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: rmlew
This is a map that transcends ethnicity and race

It IS? Really?

Please enumerate all the White, Anglo-Saxon Protestant failed states.

15 posted on 05/26/2011 1:06:21 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: petitfour

My son just said he had to do a report on a Spanish-speaking country for Spanish class. He’s going to do Argentina. I said “How about the United States?”

I’ll have to show him your post.


16 posted on 05/26/2011 1:06:40 AM PDT by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: Jim Noble

Well, if things don’t change, see your tagline for the answer.


17 posted on 05/26/2011 1:09:09 AM PDT by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: 21twelve

My tagline speaks for itself.


18 posted on 05/26/2011 1:33:17 AM PDT by ARepublicanForAllReasons (Borders, laws and language are what define us (USA) as a country. Let's guard them well.)
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To: 21twelve

LOL They had a senior honors’ night last week, and there was one speech that was so LONNNNGGGGG, and it was in Spanish. I was annoyed with that one, too. Daughter told me then that I was fortunate that it was not like last year. I guess there were four speeches in Spanish last year on senior honors’ night. She had forewarned me that graduation could be bad since last year’s graduation had multiple Spanish speakers with no interpretation.

I guess there was a verbal battle this morning between school administrators over when to sing the National Anthem. They were going to have the speakers go before the National Anthem was sung. The rebel Air Force retiree administrator won in the end, and the National Anthem was sung at the beginning of the ceremony. You would think these people grew up in another country or something. hah I’m pretty sure the principal did not, but he needs a lesson in American patriotism. It is quite the cultural experience for this Southern (Deep South) girl!


19 posted on 05/26/2011 1:42:13 AM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: petitfour
“...but he needs a lesson in American patriotism.”

And while certain communities do want to be separate and maintain their own identity - primarily I think the Hispanics - most immigrants favor American patriotism.

20 posted on 05/26/2011 1:49:25 AM PDT by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: Meet the New Boss
Yeah, right. Ain’t gonna happen. Eventually, the center of gravity for brainpower jobs will also be East Asia.

India gets a lot of those brainpower jobs that can be done remotely via the internet. Such as X-Ray evaluation by an Indian X-Ray technician. Such as transcribing medical dictation. Such  as law firm work that is done in America by para-legals and skilled secretaries. All the above can be outsourced to India and is being outsourced to India which has hundreds of millions of educated English speakers

Philippines has credit card call centers. Lots of educated English speakers there too

21 posted on 05/26/2011 4:46:02 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: Meet the New Boss

I really think their vision is a small “braintrust” living in college town like environments served by a large population of poorly educated (diverse) “serfs”. I guess they figure the serfs will be easier to control than the American middle class of the 50s-80s.


22 posted on 05/26/2011 5:13:58 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: Yehuda

Look to Milton (Open borders and the welfare state)
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZWYwOTRlMzVkOGRjNjkyYTIwZjQyZGI5MDY1MTJmYTE=

A decade ago, Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman admonished the Wall Street Journal for its idée fixe on open-border immigration policy. “It’s just obvious you can’t have free immigration and a welfare state,” he warned. This remark adds insight to the current debate over immigration in the U.S. Senate.

...There is a rough one-to-one fiscal balance between low-skill immigrant families and upper-middle-class families. It takes the entire net tax payments (taxes paid minus benefits received) of one college-educated family to pay for the net benefits received by one low-skill immigrant family. Even Julian Simon, the godfather of open-border advocates, acknowledged that imposing such a burden on taxpayers was unreasonable, stating, “immigrants who would be a direct economic burden upon citizens through the public coffers should have no claim to be admitted” into the nation.


23 posted on 05/26/2011 5:26:14 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Jim Noble
Please enumerate all the White, Anglo-Saxon Protestant failed states.
If you throw in Celtic, I'd say Massachusetts.
24 posted on 05/26/2011 9:59:37 AM PDT by rmlew (No Blood for Sarkozy's re-election and Union for the Mediterranean)
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To: mmercier
Ask the Egyptians or Romans or Greeks how resisting demographic realignment worked out for their empires.
Are you saying that they died because they fought invasion, rather than inviting it in the first place?
25 posted on 05/26/2011 10:00:48 AM PDT by rmlew (No Blood for Sarkozy's re-election and Union for the Mediterranean)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Undoing the Immigration Act of 1965 is easier than undoing the New Deal. Libertarians are being disengenous, as they’ll quote Friedman here, but never call for ending or reducing immigration, while they fight the welfare state. Instead they applaude their “virtue” as the underclass grows and the number of defendants and those alienated from America grows.


26 posted on 05/26/2011 10:04:42 AM PDT by rmlew (No Blood for Sarkozy's re-election and Union for the Mediterranean)
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To: HiJinx; Travis McGee

Ping


27 posted on 05/26/2011 10:13:51 AM PDT by rmlew (No Blood for Sarkozy's re-election and Union for the Mediterranean)
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To: onyx
Ally true, but numbers and populations matter.
Conservative immigration advocates insist on a cultural exceptionalism that will absorb immigrants because of our innate superiority. And that can work in the proper ratios. Done correctly the host society ends up with some new ethnic foo...ds, a few immigrant communities and some more loanwords. Done incorrectly, entire cities become no go zones and go bankrupt providing social welfare for all.

The difference isn't just in the numbers, though those are important, but selectivity. Immigration will almost always spike crime rates, but those go down as absorption takes hold. (So long as productive absorption is possible.) What you never do is import mass populations who think of your country as their own and want to take it over. In such a scenario the absorption will go the other way and then you end up with the likes of Taliban Terry, a former altar boy who goes around Dublin, with son Osama in tow."

28 posted on 05/26/2011 10:19:42 AM PDT by rmlew (No Blood for Sarkozy's re-election and Union for the Mediterranean)
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To: rmlew
What you never do is import mass populations who think of your country as their own and want to take it over.

Or allow that mass population to invade your country illegally and then have idiot politicians talk about granting that mass population *amnesty* or pathways to citizenship!

You also do not import a population that's of a religion that calls for laws that supersedes the Constitution of the United States, IMHO.
29 posted on 05/26/2011 10:34:15 AM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


30 posted on 05/26/2011 10:44:44 AM PDT by HiJinx (Old Cold Warrior)
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To: rmlew
It is the nature of poor civilizations to migrate to prosperous civilizations.

Then dilution of the mechanisms that produced prosperity in the successful civilization.

Then collapse and rebirth in another form that eventually prospers.

Then the process restarts, all by itself.

Been going on for a long time.

31 posted on 05/26/2011 10:47:25 AM PDT by mmercier
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To: mmercier

The desire for poor groups to move into richer areas is not new. But there is no rule that the rich group has to take up antinationalism as a religion, invite them in and subsidize them,


32 posted on 05/26/2011 10:59:18 AM PDT by rmlew (No Blood for Sarkozy's re-election and Union for the Mediterranean)
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To: rmlew
Granted.

They still can not be kept out.

The process at the beginning of the last century requiring sponsors and no welfare worked out well in retrospect.

If one lived at that time one would feel like many do today... It was not as pretty as one today would like to believe. That wave of immigration from one civilization to another resulted in the prosperity we see today.

It goes on and on, round and round.

33 posted on 05/26/2011 11:18:43 AM PDT by mmercier (Irish need not apply)
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To: rmlew

Brilliant nice piece. Also we have a microcosm within this country. Where liberals escape liberal states to successful ones and then infect those states bringing their disease with them. Dictatorship becomes the only cure available till the cycle begins all over again.


34 posted on 05/26/2011 1:37:11 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: rmlew; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks rmlew.


35 posted on 05/26/2011 5:22:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: rmlew
Just like the forced busing debacle of the 70's.

Liberals should experiment on their OWN turf first, and then report the results to us.

Cheers!

36 posted on 05/26/2011 5:59:24 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Jack Black

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37 posted on 05/27/2011 10:40:17 AM PDT by rmlew (No Blood for Sarkozy's re-election and Union for the Mediterranean)
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