Skip to comments.Confederate Memorial Day (Virginia)
Posted on 05/30/2011 10:04:19 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
We all know that today is a day to remember US troops that have fallen in battle.
In the state of Virginia today is also a day to remember our brave soldiers of the Confederacy.
The marching armies of the past
Along our Southern plains,
Are sleeping now in quiet rest
Beneath the Southern rains.
The bugle call is now in vain
To rouse them from their bed;
To arms they'll never march again--
They are sleeping with the dead.
No more will Shiloh's plains be stained
With blood our heroes shed,
Nor Chancellorsville resound again
To our noble warriors' tread.
For them no more shall reveille
Sound at the break of dawn,
But may their sleep peaceful be
Till God's great judgment morn.
We bow our heads in solemn prayer
For those who wore the gray,
And clasp again their unseen hands
On our Memorial Day.
Nice post.. Donmeaker will probably be along shortly to accuse you of being a Southern traitor loving slaver.
We’ll see... :-)
Gen Lewis A. Armistead, CSA, Gettysburg, July 3rd. 1863
Like it says in the Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
The South wanted government of the people, by the people, and for the people, but the North would not let them have it.
If the South had won, would someone like me, a Yankee, been allowed to acknowledge my ancestors sacrifice?
Because freedom is RACIST!!!!/sarc
Been allowed to? Sheesh. The South wasn't fighting the war to take over the governemnt and then control the North somehow. If the North had lost of course they would still remember their dead, just like I'm sure Britain remembers its dead from the War for American Independence. What is your point?
Oh yes! Did you know that one of the reason the colonists gave in the Declaration for breaking with Britian was that the King had "excited domestic insurrections" (slave revolts)? (And there were slaves in EVERY colony at that time)
During the war, Britian also offered freedom to all the slaves who sided with her against the colonists in an attempt at creating more domestic strife.
This means that those colonists were just evil racists fighting for slavery and liberty was just a code word for slavery! The British were the good guys cuz they wanted to free the slaves! ;-)
Just what I asked. And in 1863 had the South won Gettysburg there is no way in Hell Lee would not have moved on Washington . He would have had to or the North would have rebounded and destroyed him and his army, ending any idea of a peaceful, live and let live, slave-owning Southern Utopia. Victory in war changes plans. So if the South had won, would I be permitted to say, live in Georgia and been permitted remember my Yankee ancestors?
Sure, the South wasn’t trying to conquer the North, just kick their sorry invading tails off our land. :)
It would be a bit like British immigrants remembering their soldiers who died in the War for American Independence and the war of 1812. The vast majority of Americans would hold that what Britian fought for was wrong, but I doubt they would stop immigrant Brits from remembering their dead if they wanted to.
But then, that name makes the Yankees look like they were against independence, so we can't have people using that name. /s
“Your land’’? America belongs to Americans, from all points on the compass. “Invading’’? Seems to me you guys opened fire first. Well, the South lost it’s ill-conceived gamble anyway and that’s a good thing.
Funny, I don’t know of any “Brit immigrants’’ coming here looking to honor their dead from the Revolutionary War.
The lame attempt to conflate our Founding Fathers who held slaves to the confeds who sought to force the Peculiar Institution onto a nation that was turning away from the abhorrent practice is pathetic. Public opinion against slavery was sweeping the nation but these men weren't beneath any tactic - however low - in order to perpetuate their economic hegemony.
The fire-eaters who drummed up support for tearing our nation apart knew full well the firestorm they were igniting, but they didn't care. Their intent was to directly challenge the northern states for control of the western territories - ensuring decades of conflict and misery. Don't ever let anyone tell you that they "just want to be left alone" - that's total BS.
We are the greatest nation on God's green earth because we overcame those cowards who would have destroyed us for their own selfish profit.
TELLIN” LIKE IT IS ROCKRR! TELLIN” IT LIKE IT IS!! YEE HA!! YA LISTENIN” ‘’CENTRAL VA””?
Yep. We wanted out own country, and felt, as we had freely entered into a compact, we could freely leave. Lots of Yankees felt the same way, which is why Lincoln had to resort to draconian measures IN THE NORTH.
We had a disagreement, we lost. But we opened fire on people in our country, that we wanted gone. Nothing to apologize for there
The slave-owning thing. What about that? And are you a Confederate or an American?
I don't support slavery, but I would have supported secession at that time.
However, the War of Northern Aggression settled that question unfavorably, and unconstitutionaly. But settled it definitively. The Confederates are all dead. So are you an American?
Who am I to ask? Ha! I’ll ask anything I want to. Am I an American? Damn right I am. Not a “Northerner’’ or a “Yankee’’. I’m an American. War of Northern Aggression? Another load of bs. Listen chump, your ancestors wanted to establish a slave-holding empire on this continent, they started a war they had no hope of winning in the process destroyed the South and caused needless destruction and loss of life.
That’s not the point. And whether you personally know of any doesn’t matter.
You can ask, but I’m through answering, Yankee.
The point is chump your ancestors wanted to establish a slave-holding empire on this continent and launched a war of aggression they couldn’t hope to win and in the process destroyed the South and caused needless misery and loss of life.
Yes. Invading. The North invaded the South. They pillaged and plundered, burned, raped and killed.
Seems to me you guys opened fire first
Yes. Lincoln said he would take his men from Fort Sumter. Instead they sat there for a long time. The city or Charleston even provided the folks at the fort with food while they waited for federal ships to come take them away. Instead, Lincoln went back on his word and instead sent more men and arms to reinforce the fort. Only then did the south fire on the ships and the fort. Yeah. The South started it all. Sure.
the South lost...and thats a good thing.
No it isn't. But I suppose if the colonists had lost the war with Britain that would have been a good thing too. After all, big government is what is important. We can't let people go off and create their own new government of the people, by the people, and for the people. No. We must save big government. Never mind the principles in the declaration of independence that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed (if the governed don't consent, the government has no just power over them). And the principle that whenever any government proves destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and institute new government. We can't bother with all those old fashioned principles. Big government, whether governing with the consent of the people or not, must be preserved!
‘’Yankee’’? Okay ‘’Reb’’ Geez, one hundred and fifty years later and we’re still talking this sh!t . Hey Reb, while I got you here, have you ever heard of an organization called “The Civil War Trust’’?( www.civilwar.org) It’s a group of Americans, from ALL parts of the country who are working to save Civil War battlefield sites from disappearing to the developers bulldozer. And they ARE disappearing, fast! I don’t know about you but it would be a sad state of affairs if we someday had to watch the Battle of Gettysburg or The Wilderness being re-enacted in the parking lot of a Walmart. Donate what you can when you can. I do. And I’m a God damned Yankee. What’s your excuse? Get off your lazy ass and donate something and then you can go back to cursing out my Yankee ass.
It wasn’t the North vs the South, that’s just propaganda.
It was the Republicans vs the Democrats. The RATs haven’t changed much.
Now it looks like the political parties have switched territories...like halftime. I’d make a much better Southern “redneck” than a Northeast liberal.
Um, so how’s life going for you in 1861 Reb? Grow up stupid. This is 2011 and you’re living in the greatest country in the world, despite Obama.
Hey, if you want to talk about slavery, let's talk about the slave trade. You want to talk about forcing? Well, originally, the slave trade was going to be banned in the constitution of the US. Well, it was given at lest an extra 20 years instead. Why? Because the northern slave traders complained so bad about it ruined the business and economy up north. The Northern economy was founded and made rich by the slave trade. Massachusetts was the first state to allow slavery. The confederate constitution prohibited the slave trade. The US flag flew over hundreds of slave ships. The confederate flag never flew over any.
Also, of all the slaves that the yankee slave traders sold, only 4-6% ended up in the south. Most ended up in the Caribbean or south America. And most died there.
Public opinion against slavery was sweeping the nation
Indeed. And in the 1830s and before the Nat Turner rebellion there were more abolition societies in the South than in the North.
Also, the free soilers wanted no slavery in the territories because they wanted no blacks. They wanted the territory for white labor and white labor only. Numerous exclusion laws were also passed to forbid free black from coming into northern states. New Jersey passed one of the first of these laws. Massachusetts passed a law that allowed the flogging of blacks who came into the state and stayed more than two months. Illinois passed by overwhelming popular vote an amendment to the state constitution declaring that "No negro or mulatto shall immigrate or settle in this state." And Oregon's 1857 constitution provided that "No free negro or mulatto, no residing in this state [at the time of adoption of the state constitution] ...shall come, reside, or be within this state."
John Sherman, William Tecumseh Sherman's brother, said that "We do not like negroes. We do not hide our dislike. As my friend from Indiana said yesterday: 'The whole people of the Northwestern States are opposed to having many negroes among them and that principles or prejudice has been engraved in the legislation for nearly all the Northwestern states.'"
In contrast, in the South Alexis de Toqueville noted that "The prejudice of the race appears to be stronger in the States that have abolished slaves than in the States where slavery still exists. White carpenters, white bricklayers and white painters will not work side by side with blacks in the North but do it in almost every Southern State."
Also note that only 6% of the Southern white population even owned slaves. And half of these owned 5 or less (and often worked side by side with them on their farms) Notable generals such as Lee, J. Johnston, A. P Hill, and J. E. B. Stuart didn't even own slaves. And yet the was was "all about slavery". Yeah right.
Indeed. Northerners were not against secession until the South wanted to do it. The Northern states had held a secession conference when they got upset about the war of 1812.
It seems to me that if they think we should let it go, maybe they shoud show us the way and do it first by staying off our threads.
but it doesn’t bother me one way, or the other. I’m proud of my heritage and apologize for it to nobody
The yankee slave trading thing. What about that?
Yeah, all that pilaging, burning, raping, and killing wasn't agression at all was it? ;-)
your ancestors wanted to establish a slave-holding empire on this continent,
ROFLOLOLOL! I expect that's why the Confederate constitution banned the slave trade.
What do you know about my ancestors? Let me tell you about them. My great x5 grandpa lived in VA and had sevens sons and a plantation with slaves. He didn't believe in slavery so he freed all his slaves. When the war came, the five older sons went off to defend Virginia against the invaders. They were all killed. The two younger sons were sent to live with a relative in another state away from the fighting. When the war was over and they returned home, they found their parents dead and their home burned down.
Didn’t take a war to end it in the north.
Hadn’t noticed the North a rapin’ ‘n’ a pilagin’ pre-1861.
Um, yes it was. The two sections had totally different cultures. The North was fast paced and had lots of factories, while the South was slow paced and agrarian. About the only thing the two sections had in common was the English language, and even that had lots of different dialects.
So you are saying that because the South lost, it is not worth remembering the war and the justness of her cause? Sorry bud. Time does not make a cause less just. William Wallace lost the battle of Falkirk and was later captured and killed. That did not make his cause wrong or any less worth remembering. Sure, it has been a long time, but I believe that Scotland still has the right to be free if they so choose it.
Same here. Nothing to apologize for. If there is anyone that should be apologising, it is the yankees, for denying the South government of the people, by the people, and for the people.
“justness of her cause’’.. Slavery is justice? WTF has Scotland to do with this discussion?
The North ending slavery not by all-at-once emancipation, but by gradual emancipation of the unborn. Thus, no masters lost any property. In fact, many took the slaves they were supposed to free and sold them elsewhere, making a profit. The North abolished slavery without losing any money. The mouth foaming abolitionists wanted the South to free all its slaves at once, not having the benefit of the gradual emancipation that the North had.
What if your state seceeded today over arguments about taxes, representation and etc. Would you think it OK for the federal government to send tanks into your state and carpet bomb your cities and to rape yoru women and burn your towns and steal everything of value from your home? Would that be OK?
Do you support government of the people, by the people and for the people or not? Do you support the principles in the declaration of Independence that states that governments receive their just powers only from the consent of the governed? And that people have the right to rid themselves of government that becomes destructive of a people's rights to life, liberty, happiness and etc.?
If you do not support these rights, you kinds sound like a liberal.
*Sigh* I already went into how slavery was NOT the big cause. Saying the war was all about slavery is like saying the Revolutionary war was all about tea. Sheesh. Only 6% of the white population of the South even owned any slaves, and half of those who did owned 5 or less and usually worked in the fields right along side them.
It was an example. The point is that just because one side lost, does not mean that they were wrong of their cause not worth remembering. You didn't get it?
Yes, the Southerners didn't have to heat their homes, the NE guys had to fell trees, haul 'em out of the woods with horses, cut it up, split it and dry it for Winter, all without chainsaws or tractors. And these were farmers, the loggers is a different bunch. Both groups were very hardy stock.
When they farmed, they had to cut all the trees off the land (by hand) and haul all the rocks and boulders out of the fields. The rock walls defining property lines remain throughout the woods to this day.
The Abolitionists became the Republicans, the Klan was started by Confederate Veterans (not Republicans).
Harriet Beecher Stowe, who wrote Uncle Tom's Cabin, hailed from Brunswick Maine...she was not a democrat.