Skip to comments.Wolves Kill Prized Quarter Horse in Darby, Montana
Posted on 06/03/2011 8:41:01 PM PDT by george76
What began nearly 20 years ago as denial of the many bad things that would happen in the Greater Yellowstone area if gray wolves were brought in from Canada, continues to this day. It was predicted that the wolves would kill off their prey base and that is happening. Information was presented to Ed Bangs, USFWS head of wolf reintroduction that wolves carry more than 30 different infectious diseases, some harmful and/or deadly to humans, and that was ignored. Disease is now becoming a common occurrence across the Northern Rockies where wolves are prolific. The same deaf, dumb and blind authorities were warned that wolves, once they had consumed their prey base, would focus in on livestock, and that too was passed off as insignificant.
It has been stated that gray wolves will attack and kill large prey, such as elk, moose, mountain lions and bears, yet wolf protectors deny that wolves could bring down a grizzly, take on a wild cat and the like. Yet, it is happening on a daily basis now.
It was predicted, wolves would resort to livestock killing, first taking on the easiest of kills sheep, and family pets. That has happened. The same predictions said as the wild canines got hungrier from the destruction of their own food source, would move into residential areas looking for food. That too has happened and is becoming more frequent.
It has been argued whether or not wolves would attack and take down a horse. Wolf protectionists have denied such an event has ever happened and would never happen. ...wolf attacks on horses were a common thing in Russia and other Asian and European countries.
And now, we have a confirmed attack and kill by wolves on a familys prized quarter horse in Darby, Montana.
(Excerpt) Read more at mainehuntingtoday.com ...
Humans are on their menus as well.
Should’ve gotten a donkey for the horse. Or a llama.
The hunt begins.
“The wolves ran him through a fence and then tore his guts out,”
. “It was terrible. ... These wolves are on our property most nights, and I’m terrified for my animals. I’m not sure what I’m supposed to do with my livestock.”
Yep. The do-gooders who are Greenies have re-introduced another threat the humans through their foolish attempt to bring back wolves.
Neither one are a match for a pack.
Want to deal with an individual, opportunistic wolf? Those options work.
Want to deal with a pack? Get a .223 with V-max pills. You want the pill to blow up inside the animal and not over-penetrate in this type of situation. V-max pills blow up like few other varmint rounds out there.
The pictures are horrible. I read five kill-permits were issued to the owner. Why five? What if there are twenty wolves? (not sure of wolf packs and numbers but what if?) A person should be able to defend his property and livestock without “permits” and limiting the number of “kills” IMHO.
I went to the link and couldn't help but read another article related to this one on that site, titled "Governor Schweitzer Runs From His Own Shadow."
What a POS! I KNEW Schweitzer was a LIAR when he finally admitted he would veto the Montana legislature's bill to nullify the Endangered Species Act.
How did Montana elect such a scumbag Dem governor?
I've said it before and I'll say it again: The wolf and the human CANNOT co-exist.
Except, of course, in an urban liberal's fantasy...
The wolves were likely unaware of the prized status of the horse.
Yeah, if you have a pack coming through you have a larger problem (no pun intended). But there’s still the possibility that the wolves could be “trained” to move farther down the road. (I’ve seen it happen with coyotes, but I am not claiming expertise).
If you own a backhoe, you should be able to accomplish that task...S.S.S. Just do it on the back 40.
The Leftists love predators like wolves, Muzzies, and street criminals. They are all just mis-understood!
Wolves often kill for fun.
The pictures are horrible and horse suffered alot before it died.
It is what wolf packs do for fun
Montana is full of urban liberals that recently moved in.
Like many western states, they also get illegals, union thugs, and ACORN types who elect these fools.
What is the bullet weight for those VMax bullets? Rifling twist
requirements? I think my Savage .223 bolt action has a 1:9. I
can put 10 55 gr FMJ through one ragged hole at 100 yds with
that rifle. Had planned to go with 100 gr 30-06 for wolves.
They should get some Kangals (a Turkish breed of dog). Kangals kill wolves very effectively.
You’re right - the wolves can be “trained.” But, I’d warn you my friend, that this appears to take *generations* of wolf learning. At the rate of wolf packs are expanding, I don’t think we have generations before they snatch a child.
There’s a paper I have somewhere in files on wildlife and range management, which is about wolf behavior in the former USSR (now Russia & Siberia) vs. the US and Canada. This study was done in the late 80’s, and the paper was translated subsequent to publication somewhere else in the USSR or ComBloc countries.
Anyway, the thrust of the paper was this: There was statistical evidence that during the 50+ years of gun control in the USSR, wolves had become much bolder in the USSR than they were in (then Canada) and in the US prior to WWII, when they were eradicated back to the very northern Rockies or northern MN/WI/MI. Wolves in the US & Canada learned that “human means death” even when the human wasn’t packing a rifle at that exact moment.
The statistical hypothesis was that after years of gun restriction in the USSR and what few gun owners there were in the private, non-government hands in the USSR, even hunters were loathe to waste their limited ammo or risk exposure to authorities by shooting “mere wolves” instead of game animals. So the wolves in the USSR became rather much bolder around humans over 50 years.
What we have here is the reverse: On the large scale, we’ve set up a system whereby the wolves in the northern Rockies are under a great deal of protection (from outside legal groups) and for people who aren’t well versed in how to kill predators and get rid of all evidence quickly, the wolves have a free run of the joint. They’re learning alright, but what they’re learning is that they can get away with coming ever-closer to human habitation.
Coyotes, due to their constant and long-standing close-in relationship with man (there are now ‘yotes in all lower 48 states, and in such urban areas as Central Park, NYC) are much more rapidly adaptable. When we farmed, we had lots of coyotes in the valleys in NV, and where we lived, I could hear no fewer than three coyote packs singing at night around the edges of the valley. We never saw pack behavior “in close” to habitation - all we saw were opportunistic forays by very bold coyotes. We had a saying in Nevada - if you’re going to shoot at a coyotes, HIT IT. If you shoot and you miss, you’ve just trained the SOB as to what your range and windage capabilities are. They learn that fast.
There were two animals that I came to respect for their learning curves: The corvids (crows, ravens, magpies) and coyotes. Both of them would not only learn from direct experience, they learned by watching other members of their species interact with humans. I cannot emphasize this enough. There are some animals that are dumb as rocks - we’re talking stump-hole stupid. They can watch their neighbor get blown into pink mist, and they learn *nothing* from the event.
Crows, on the other hand, are so damned smart, that I could shoot one of them pilfering my seed (eg, oat seed, drilled into the ground - they’d hop down a drill opener line and pull up every damn seed for 10 feet or more - now think of a murder of crows 100 strong... that’s a big bare patch in a field). The other crows in the area would take note of how far I was from the victim when he died. The VERY next day, no crows would allow me to get within that range of them.
So my summers would go like this:
1. Drill seed.
2. Shoot first crow with a 12ga.
3. Shoot next crow with a .17 hmr.
4. Shoot next (and last) crow with a .223 at upwards of 400 yards.
5. Yell at crows.
After that, the crows were so damned smart that for the rest of the summer, they could look at what long gun I was carrying and they would make sure that no one would land within the “crow effective” range of that long gun. They knew the difference between my shotgun (black, synthetic stock) and an AR-15 (black, synthetic stock), and somehow, they would communicate this to crows down the field, on the ground, and get them to flee the area when I was approaching my effective range - but not before. ie, if they saw me with the 12ga, they wouldn’t yell at their brethren on a pivot 400+ yards away.
You tell me that isn’t brains.
Coyotes would learn almost as fast, including when I’d catch them when they were food-obsessed. The easiest shots I’ve taken on coyotes were when they’d be watching some chukar climbing a hill, or were waiting for a squirrel to pop out of his hole, or were waiting on the edge of a sage grouse lek. They’d get so overwhelmingly food-obsessed that they’d SEE me get within 50 to 100 yards of them... and they would not move. They’d look over, see me, and then immediately direct their attention back to their intended dinner.
The first time this happened and I shot the food-fixated ‘yote, I saw a half-dozen other ‘yotes run like hell for the tall sagebrush within 200 yards of where I was sitting when I took the shot. Apparently, I disturbed a community hunting activity.
The next time I ran into one of these food-obsessed coyotes, the “spectators” started trying to slink away when they saw me approach Mr. Foodie. But then I shot two of the spectators, then swung around and got the food-fixated coyote as he was trying to make a get-away — hw was a little late tho, because he chose to try to bag the chukar on his way out of the area. He got a .223 up the poop chute for his trouble.
After that, any time I was in that particular part of the valley for the next two years, ALL the coyotes would clear out - and never allow me to get within 400 yards of them. That’s how fast they learn. They’d even learn the sound of my truck. They’d learn the sound of my buddy’s hunting vehicle during deer/chukar season, and we’d try to shoot coyotes of opportunity on hayfields in the winter. They’d watch every other car pass them by 200+ yards away and never give any mind. Let my little hunting Toyota wheeze up the road, and you’d see most of them kick in the afterburners before I got within 500 yards.
Unless the enviro’s allow someone who is an out-and-out no-limit professional killer of wolves loose in their domain, or they allow everyone to shoot at wolves, wolves won’t learn anywhere nearly that fast.
Enviro-nazis contend they're part of the ecosystem but that reasoning is only because the vast majority live in asphalt cities and don't have to contend with wolves.
The ecosystems in the Western states have gotten by just fine without wolves for the last 70 to 80 years. Now that they've been reintroduced wildlife and ranchers have been hit hard and reparations don't even begin to cover losses.
The UN Agenda 21 is working as expected ?
55gr V-max is available and is what I like.
Your 1-in-9 is PERFECT for the 55gr weight.
Your Savage is one of the more accurate factory rifles out there in .223. I’ve shot two of them (other guy’s guns) and was impressed as all get out with both of them in terms of “bang for the buck” if you pardon the pun. For the purist in rifle appearance, the barrel nut is a big turn-off, but for price-effective accuracy, the Savage rifle delivers excellent value. I think their triggers can be improved greatly tho. Don’t like their factory trigger feel. Very “crunchy.” But that does not alter their fundamental accuracy.
100gr out of a -06 will result in big holes in the other side, if you’re using a 100gr varmint pill. If that’s what you want, and you’re not shooting in an area where you need to worry about over-penetration, hey, whatever works for you. I’ve shot coyotes with a .17HMR as well, and there is no over-penetration there. Go for a lung shot, with the coyote quartering away from you and they’ll drop quickly. Hit him when he’s nice and still, and if you hit him about 1/2” behind the ear, about 1” lower than the middle of the ear, when he’s quartering away from you... they go down like a sack of bricks - again, with zero over-penetration. I’ve also shot ‘yotes with a .338WM - because it was what I had on me at the time. I’ve shot them with a .250-3000, a .223, a .308, .270... .45-70, .357, .45ACP, 9mm, .22LR, 12ga, 20ga, ..... dead is dead.
I’ve run down coyotes with a F-350, a Toyota, a Honda four-wheeler and I’ve dropped rocks on them off a cliff.
As you can tell, I’m not Mr. Coyote’s buddy.
Wolves, being about 2X the mass of coyotes... I’d probably go for the .223 or a .270/.280/7mm/.30xx round with a light varmint pill.
I’d go with a pill that “explodes and dumps” in the OP’s situation, or a shotgun, because a high powered, heavily jacketed round will go through and through — and might endanger other livestock in neighboring pastures.
My hat's off to you, NV Dave. You understand Nevada, and its wildlife, as I like to pretend that I do.
I would have at least 3 of them out there, It's not unusual for the wolves to weigh up to 165 pounds also.
Yes, it takes a loooonnggg time for a pack to bring down a terrified prey, with each member going at it in turn to inflict small but debilitating injuries to the legs and joints while relentlessly running the prey to complete exhaustion. It is a horrific way to die. I’d rather be taken down by a lion.
Thanks for the ping.
I hope that your trips are going well. It is always good to hear from you
This is what happens when you don’t cull your herds or packs in this case. Sterilize some of them.
I agree. They would kick the you know what out of them.
I'm Freeping as much as possible these last two days because I'm back into the sticks again on Sunday evening. Oh, I had another mountain lion encounter about 7-10 days ago. (After awhile, you forget the month, the day, the week, etc.)
Scared the heck out of me and my female partner. Middle of the pitch-black night.
More details at 11.
I've always wanted to say that. Ha ha!
Catch ya tomorrow and maybe Sunday morning.
Have you seen these :
HAMILTON, Mont. — In the past couple weeks we’ve reported a couple stories of attacks by wolves on domestic animals in the Bitterroot...
Now, a Hamilton man shot a mountain lion in his backyard. The cougar had killed a sheep and came back to feast on a goose.
A second item about a mountain lion that was curled up on the porch of a Helena home.
Isn’t it amazing how the nature photogs always have somebody with a caribine in hand?
One thing I always take away from the PBS nature shows: top level predators are sorely needed everywhere.
So what’s the answer? Recompense the farmer for lost sheep? How to deal w/bears? Then there’s the little guy carnivore, i.e., coyote
Is coyote a nuisance? What about the cougar? Racoon?
Make a comparison of how many wolves killed domestic animals as compared, in the State of Montana, to the number of human beings who killed other humans. It seems to me, the wolf, for the most part, kills only to eat, where on the other hand, humans kill other humans, not because they are hungry but because they hate.
I killed caribou last sept at 550 yards with same ammo using a horseshoe acog. Good stuff.
Wolves acting like killin machines is their nature. They are really working over the caribou now as they drop their calves.
I'm having over a dozen bear coming into our barrel, all day & night long. The game camera is the ticket.
Just raise your own pack of Kangals. BTW, it isn’t just size that makes the Kangal deadly to wolves. The Kangals are more athletic than wolves - I’ve read some amazing stories. Caucasian Ovcharkas would also be good for discouraging wolves from visiting.
This isn’t about city people wanting to look at the cute wolves. This is about taking away your weapons. Wolves were reintroduced by the liberals/Democrats/socialists/progressives so that they could take away the argument for hunting that says hunters help keep the herds healthy. They want everyone to see the wolf as being capable of that job. As the wolves slaughter the deer, elk and moose, the argument begins that hunting must be restricted to keep these populations from going too low. Then, the argument becomes “Why do you need those rifles? There aren’t enough deer to hunt anymore.” It’s much more devious than you think.
Poison will slow ‘em down. Botanical poisons have the added benefit of looking like a natural event.
Mahar, whose a deputy county attorney, is a hunter and saw the marks of a big cat. "I was relieved to see that this was looking like a lion instead of a pack of wolves," he said.
I agree with him. I would much rather deal with a lion than a pack of wolves.
Fortunately, there are no wolves in my neck of the woods.
I am not a violent person and would take no joy in killing an animal. However, if this was my property, my kid’s lives, my livestock etc... I would do exactly what you described. A pre-dug hole just waiting. The article stated that the wolves are on this person’s property every night so I would wait and do what was needed to be done. Plain and simple. I certainly wouldn’t wait for some guy behind a desk to decide to issue a piece of paper.
Glad to see you’re home for awhile but it doesn’t sound like it’s for long. Some people have all the luck, they get paid for doing what you do. :-)
I imagine that was a bit spooky in the middle of the night, keep checking your six, Fly.
We had two llamas guarding our barbado sheep. Neighbors pack of dogs killed three rams and injured two more . NOTHING can take care of a pack of animals. The one llama took down a chain link fence to get to OUR dogs but they just couldn’t deal with so many animals.
I grabbed my buckknife and went out there but saw nothing. But we didn't stick around long. We moved her cot and makeshift right near my pickup. We heard the screams one more time, then I finally went back to sleep. I don't think poor Lisa got any sleep, though. But she's a tough cookie, and I admire that.
Back home, I got on the internet and googled a search for the sound. There is no doubt what it was. It was a female mountain lion in heat. All the audios were exactly that sound. I guess the females scream like a banshee to let any nearby males know they are available.
Check it out on the internet. Now tell me if that's not the most frightening sound you could ever hear in the middle of a pitch-black night out in a remote wilderness canyon???
More adventures to come... I'm sure!
I think Lisa is a tough cookie, a lot of people would have been sleeping in the cab of the truck after that, including men.
Even house cats can make a terrible racket like that in the middle of the night, multiply the size of a cougar and it has to be scary.
No kidding! LOL!
But that brings up a "delicate" subject. Lisa is a single young woman (25 years-old) and I'm double her age (and happily married). So there are definitely protocols and niceties you have to follow.
For instance, there is NO WAY I could actually invite her to join me in the bed of the truck after this spooky incident. As a father (and grandfather) with very protective instincts, I wanted to, but that could be easily misconstrued and some very unnecessary tensions added to the moment.
Now if she were to ask to join me in the bed of the truck, I would certainly say yes and scoot over to make room for her. Then we'd both be safe from the lion and civility and propriety would be maintained.
As you say, she could also have stayed in the front cab too, but that part of the truck is LOADED with equipment, clothing, and gear, and would involve a wholesale repacking effort.
It turned out fine though. I think she sensed that it might not be proper for even her to ask to stay with me in the bed. So she chose to sleep 10 feet from the truck (and all was well).
Funny, isn't it? But when camping out in remote areas, a middle-aged married man and a young single woman have to follow a lot of unwritten protocols to maintain a good working relationship.
Fortunately, she's a great co-worker and we both enjoy working with the other.
All the best, Jaz!
I have a few Savage rifles. My .223 doesn't have the "precision" trigger, but shoots just fine. The other ones with the precision trigger are nicer. The Remington 700PS (.308) has a very good trigger. It also has a very tight (SAAMI spec) .308 chamber with a tight throat. .308 only. No 7.62x51 NATO stuff.
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