Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Walter E. Williams on welfare: As gov’t plays ‘father,’ ‘black males have become dispensable’
The Daily Caller ^ | June 4, 2011 | Jeff Poor

Posted on 06/04/2011 7:04:49 PM PDT by NCjim

It’s perhaps not the most politically correct take on welfare in America’s black community, but an interesting one nonetheless.

Walter E. Williams, a George Mason economist and author of “Race and Economics: How Much Can Be Blamed on Discrimination?” is not a fan of the welfare state that exists in the country. In an appearance on Thursday night’s “Stossel” on the Fox Business Network, Williams argued that welfare has done more damage to black society than slavery or Jim Crow.

“[T]he welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery could not have done, the harshest Jim Crow laws and racism could not have done, namely break up the black family,” Williams said. “That is, today, just slightly over 30 percent of black kids live in two parent families. Historically, from 1870s on up to about 1940s, and depending on the city, 75 to 90 percent of black kids lived in two parent families. Illegitimacy rate is 70 percent among blacks where that is unprecedented in our history.”

But this isn’t just relegated to the American welfare state, but is seen in European welfare states as well.

“Now, it’s not just a matter of a racial thing. Sweden is the mother of the welfare state and illegitimacy in Sweden is 54 percent,” he said.

Williams explained to host John Stossel that this is a natural effect of welfare policies.

“Well, because, look, if you subsidize anything, you’re going to get surpluses of it, and if you tax something you’re going to get less of it,” he said. “If you did not get welfare, then people would decide, I’m going to go out and get a job, I’m going to live more responsibly.”

And with these policies, they have taken a toll on the black family, specifically the black father.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/04/walter-e-williams-on-welfare-as-govt-plays-father-black-males-have-become-dispensable/#ixzz1OMWttIi1


TOPICS: Government; History; Society
KEYWORDS: blacks; economy; families; greatsociety; illegitimacy; nannystate; society; welfare

1 posted on 06/04/2011 7:04:51 PM PDT by NCjim
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: NCjim

LBJ’s Chaotic Society at work.


2 posted on 06/04/2011 7:07:28 PM PDT by conservativebuckeye
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NCjim

When I first read the title I said “I can’t imagine Walter Williams on welfare”.


3 posted on 06/04/2011 7:10:44 PM PDT by albionin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NCjim

Blacks have traded daddy for Uncle Sam and look at the results. Over half of all murders and violent crimes in the US are committed by inner city blacks who were raised in single mother homes on welfare.


4 posted on 06/04/2011 7:11:10 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NCjim

Oh horse hockey. It’s the sexual revolution and easy divorce that have made marriage dispensable.


5 posted on 06/04/2011 7:14:49 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NCjim

Black males aren’t exactly dispensable. They’re needed for stud service. And that suits them just fine. They’ve actually got it made. Until we hold them responsible for the kids they produce, the welfare society will never change.


6 posted on 06/04/2011 7:15:34 PM PDT by FrdmLvr (Death to tyrants)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NCjim

Too bad we cannot spay or neuter everyone on welfare.


7 posted on 06/04/2011 7:22:22 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Blood of Tyrants
Over half of all murders and violent crimes in the US are committed by inner city blacks who were raised in single mother homes on welfare.

This is a true statement and it should scare the sh** out of everyone.

8 posted on 06/04/2011 7:23:36 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: NCjim

All this is true, and I love Walter Williams, but it isn’t new nor is it his original thinking.


9 posted on 06/04/2011 7:29:46 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans freed the Slaves Month")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NCjim
Marriage is a dead institution amongst blacks today. The men go around like bucks in the middle of rutting season, impregnating every doe they can. No accountablility, no responsibility. The words "baby daddy" and "baby mama" have nearly completely replaced the words husband and wife. It's utterly disgusting. And when children become a means to an end in income earning, that's the end. That “culture's” moral compass is so broken it will never be repaired. When better than 7 out of 10 black children are born illegitimately, there is something fundamentally wrong with that society and culture.
10 posted on 06/04/2011 7:34:23 PM PDT by NWFLConservative (Game On!.................Saracuda 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NCjim

Regarding single mothers in Sweden, I have read that in most cases, Swedish couples rear their children as an intact family. The only difference is they are not legally married, hence the term “Stockholm Marriage”. This distiction between “on paper” single mothers and true single mothers (no father in the home) is often overlooked.


11 posted on 06/04/2011 7:39:46 PM PDT by TheDingoAteMyBaby
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Blood of Tyrants

It started with blacks but everybody else has followed suit. It is real nice to have a few kids, get child support, Medicaid, help with the rent and child care. You don’t even have to work and if no one is checking you can have a boyfriend living with you too.


12 posted on 06/04/2011 7:49:22 PM PDT by tiki
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: ROCKLOBSTER
All this is true, and I love Walter Williams, but it isn’t new nor is it his original thinking.

That phrasing makes you sound like a bigot.

Do you question other academics or commentators over "new" or "original thinking" or is Walter being singled out for your rebuke?

They're important points that need expressing whether the first time or the hundredth. The lessons clearly have not been learned.

13 posted on 06/04/2011 8:45:03 PM PDT by newzjunkey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: newzjunkey
That phrasing makes you sound like a bigot.

Yeah, well the way you put that makes you sound like a child molester.

Do you question other academics or commentators over "new" or "original thinking"

Not usually.

is Walter being singled out for your rebuke?

It isn't a rebuke, and the article is specifically about Walter Williams and this particular position. I've been saying this for years, and it isn't an original idea of mine either. Long ago, I heard Rush talk about it and some other conservative, maybe David Horowitz.

14 posted on 06/04/2011 9:11:44 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans freed the Slaves Month")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: NCjim

Very true, but as much about white men as black men.


15 posted on 06/04/2011 9:19:12 PM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lurker

Is that true? More than half of murders and violent crimes are committed by a PORTION of 6% of the population? Why do the law abiding members of black community tolerate this?


16 posted on 06/04/2011 9:37:03 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: ROCKLOBSTER; newzjunkey

yep. you are correct. and Thomas Sowell, has also written about this many times.
i agree with newzjunkey, that “They’re important points that need expressing whether the first time or the hundredth.”
...but, i certainly didn’t think you sounded like a bigot when you said you “loved” him.
seems to me, newzjunkey was a little quick on that trigger. since ALL of us seem to have the greatest respect for Dr Williams.
(personally, i like him even better than Thomas Sowell. i think he writes more plainly and to the point. ...and his comments about his wife were very endearing, as a man i respect.)

...and this certainly isn’t a black issue. i think there are more single white women, who have replaced men with government, than black women.
and the liberals have attacked marriage from EVERY possible direction, to destroy it and the family, precisely to make more of us dependent on goverment.


17 posted on 06/04/2011 9:46:23 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: NCjim

No they have become the Obama militia.


18 posted on 06/04/2011 9:50:32 PM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Elendur

Thanks.

I also have heard others say that black families were just starting to move into the middle class status when this grave injustice was done to them by LBJ and his ilk.

Entire black neighborhoods were bulldozed in the name of “urban renewal” including black owned businesses. Sometimes being replaced with nothing.


19 posted on 06/04/2011 10:01:07 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans freed the Slaves Month")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: ROCKLOBSTER; newzjunkey; conservativebuckeye; NCjim

if anyone around here is a bigot, i’d bet on NWFLConservative in Post #10.

“...blacks today. The men go around like bucks in the middle of rutting season,”

...even if he was correct, he certainly could have phrased it less offensively. i work with many good hardworking black men, who would rightly take offense at that blanket statement. (one recently buried his wife of over 50 years...)

...and such a quote, even taken out of context, needlessly gives ammunition to liberals, to attack FReepers as racists.


20 posted on 06/04/2011 10:03:53 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: ROCKLOBSTER; All

“I also have heard others say that black families were just starting to move into the middle class status when this grave injustice was done to them by LBJ and his ilk.”
///
excellent excellent point!!!
and one that Thomas Sowell researched extensively!

“In every census between 1890 and 1940, blacks posted higher marriage rates than whites.[37] “

here is the BEST summary i know of of LBJ’s evil.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s Department of Labor report was DEVASTATING in it’s un-PC honestly, and it’s prophetic accuracy. (but it was suppressed and ignored.)

The Black Family: 40 Years of Lies by Kay S. Hymowitz, City ...Rejecting the Moynihan report caused untold, needless ... Between the 1954 Brown decision and the Civil Rights Act of ... not due to a lack of jobs but rather to a destructive ...
http://city-journal.org/html/15_3_black_family.html

...and yes, you are correct, Thomas Sowell VERY clearly shows that blacks were doing much better, BEFORE the Civil Rights Act.
the CRA, and liberal policies, were deliberately destructive to blacks.

blacks certainly are not inferior in any way, or inherently more “promiscuous” as #10 above implies.

again, black marriage rates
were actually HIGHER than marriage rates for whites !!!

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/elder041299.asp
http://www.enotes.com/topic/Thomas_Sowell

“In Affirmative Action Around the World (2004)[35] and Civil Rights[36] Sowell demonstrates that on several measures, black progress was actually better before the era of the expanding welfare state and affirmative action era of the 1970s, and even the Civil Rights Act of 1964, than in the contemporary era. In the decades immediately after the Civil War for example, blacks posted higher employment rates and lower divorce rates than whites.

As regards family stability and out-of-wedlock births, black rates prior to WWII were hardly perfect, (19% in 1940 and 22% in 1960) but were still far lower than the 70% out-of-wedlock births afflicting the black community at the beginning of the 21st century.

In every census between 1890 and 1940, blacks posted higher marriage rates than whites.[37] “


21 posted on 06/05/2011 12:03:39 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: conservativebuckeye
LBJ’s Chaotic Society at work.
Whenever a "liberal" uses the term "society," he almost always actually means government. So a promise of a "great society" was actually a boast that he would produce a great government.
Republicans should talk about a great society; in fact Ronald Reagan did - but he called it "a shining city on a hill." It is appropriate to talk aspirationally about greatness of society - but it is arrogant to presume to suggest that you would be capable of administering a greater government than, say, George Washington was. By that I do not mean statically, that Washington's actual administration cannot be bettered, but dynamically - in the sense that Washington was creating the precedents and rules by which his successors have learned to operate.
The presumptuous "liberal" assumes that what he does not understand cannot be important. An attitude which manifests itself in "objective" journalists who think of Rumsfeld's "unknown unknowns" as being an oxymoron . . .

22 posted on 06/05/2011 4:24:59 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: NCjim
Walter E. Williams on welfare

OH NO! Now not even WALTER can find work!

23 posted on 06/05/2011 4:30:50 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ROCKLOBSTER; newzjunkey
"That phrasing makes you sound like a bigot."

Yeah, well the way you put that makes you sound like a child molester.

Oh yeah? Well, the way you both put that makes it sound like you just genocided the entire human race.

24 posted on 06/05/2011 4:32:47 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Lazamataz

Oh yeah?

Well go hit yourself.


25 posted on 06/05/2011 5:09:30 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans freed the Slaves Month")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: ROCKLOBSTER
Oh yeah? Well go hit yourself.

I just did.

But perhaps I shared too much.

26 posted on 06/05/2011 5:12:32 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Lazamataz

Enough bantering, let’s just get back to the debate, now that we know you are a master.


27 posted on 06/05/2011 5:25:12 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans freed the Slaves Month")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

Comment #28 Removed by Moderator

To: Elendur

There should be a special derogative for what LBJ’s nefarious “Great Society” did to America.

It’s like “the holocaust” only he didn’t overtly kill blacks, although some would say Roe vs. Wade very successfully accomplished that.

What he did was round them up, tempt them with promises, destroy their existing businesses, homes and family structures, and deliver their votes to the democrat party.

As previously mentioned, making government “the daddy” yanked the rug out from under the societal function of black men as a monogamous good providers, and proud fathers.

Had urban renewal, affirmative action, abortion and a host of socialist welfare dependence programs (including the community reinvestment act) never happened, we would currently be a stronger nation, with a larger, peaceful work force, and cohesive society.

Instead, we have a propaganda-infused anti-American subculture of angry, confused, single-mother welfare professionals, and a large numbers of violent terrorists who actually kill enough people each year to skew US life expectancy statistics.

Great job LBJ!

(then there’s a whole other discussion on his “separation of church and state” in the tax code)


29 posted on 06/05/2011 6:02:12 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans freed the Slaves Month")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: ROCKLOBSTER

I still maintain that LBJ was more destructive than Carter.


30 posted on 06/05/2011 11:26:38 PM PDT by conservativebuckeye
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: conservativebuckeye
I still maintain that LBJ was more destructive than Carter.

Who gave away Panama Canal to China.

The socialist FDR was no slouch either with SS and his make-work programs. And then there was Clinton, who sold us out to China with nuclear weapon and multistage rocket technology for campaign cash (Algor: No controlling legal authority).

Nice legacy the RATs have.

31 posted on 06/06/2011 3:43:21 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans freed the Slaves Month")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson