Skip to comments.Walter E. Williams on welfare: As gov’t plays ‘father,’ ‘black males have become dispensable’
Posted on 06/04/2011 7:04:49 PM PDT by NCjim
Its perhaps not the most politically correct take on welfare in Americas black community, but an interesting one nonetheless.
Walter E. Williams, a George Mason economist and author of Race and Economics: How Much Can Be Blamed on Discrimination? is not a fan of the welfare state that exists in the country. In an appearance on Thursday nights Stossel on the Fox Business Network, Williams argued that welfare has done more damage to black society than slavery or Jim Crow.
[T]he welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery could not have done, the harshest Jim Crow laws and racism could not have done, namely break up the black family, Williams said. That is, today, just slightly over 30 percent of black kids live in two parent families. Historically, from 1870s on up to about 1940s, and depending on the city, 75 to 90 percent of black kids lived in two parent families. Illegitimacy rate is 70 percent among blacks where that is unprecedented in our history.
But this isnt just relegated to the American welfare state, but is seen in European welfare states as well.
Now, its not just a matter of a racial thing. Sweden is the mother of the welfare state and illegitimacy in Sweden is 54 percent, he said.
Williams explained to host John Stossel that this is a natural effect of welfare policies.
Well, because, look, if you subsidize anything, youre going to get surpluses of it, and if you tax something youre going to get less of it, he said. If you did not get welfare, then people would decide, Im going to go out and get a job, Im going to live more responsibly.
And with these policies, they have taken a toll on the black family, specifically the black father.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/04/walter-e-williams-on-welfare-as-govt-plays-father-black-males-have-become-dispensable/#ixzz1OMWttIi1
LBJ’s Chaotic Society at work.
When I first read the title I said “I can’t imagine Walter Williams on welfare”.
Blacks have traded daddy for Uncle Sam and look at the results. Over half of all murders and violent crimes in the US are committed by inner city blacks who were raised in single mother homes on welfare.
Oh horse hockey. It’s the sexual revolution and easy divorce that have made marriage dispensable.
Black males aren’t exactly dispensable. They’re needed for stud service. And that suits them just fine. They’ve actually got it made. Until we hold them responsible for the kids they produce, the welfare society will never change.
Too bad we cannot spay or neuter everyone on welfare.
This is a true statement and it should scare the sh** out of everyone.
All this is true, and I love Walter Williams, but it isn’t new nor is it his original thinking.
Regarding single mothers in Sweden, I have read that in most cases, Swedish couples rear their children as an intact family. The only difference is they are not legally married, hence the term “Stockholm Marriage”. This distiction between “on paper” single mothers and true single mothers (no father in the home) is often overlooked.
It started with blacks but everybody else has followed suit. It is real nice to have a few kids, get child support, Medicaid, help with the rent and child care. You don’t even have to work and if no one is checking you can have a boyfriend living with you too.
That phrasing makes you sound like a bigot.
Do you question other academics or commentators over "new" or "original thinking" or is Walter being singled out for your rebuke?
They're important points that need expressing whether the first time or the hundredth. The lessons clearly have not been learned.
Yeah, well the way you put that makes you sound like a child molester.
Do you question other academics or commentators over "new" or "original thinking"
is Walter being singled out for your rebuke?
It isn't a rebuke, and the article is specifically about Walter Williams and this particular position. I've been saying this for years, and it isn't an original idea of mine either. Long ago, I heard Rush talk about it and some other conservative, maybe David Horowitz.
Very true, but as much about white men as black men.
Is that true? More than half of murders and violent crimes are committed by a PORTION of 6% of the population? Why do the law abiding members of black community tolerate this?
yep. you are correct. and Thomas Sowell, has also written about this many times.
i agree with newzjunkey, that “They’re important points that need expressing whether the first time or the hundredth.”
...but, i certainly didn’t think you sounded like a bigot when you said you “loved” him.
seems to me, newzjunkey was a little quick on that trigger. since ALL of us seem to have the greatest respect for Dr Williams.
(personally, i like him even better than Thomas Sowell. i think he writes more plainly and to the point. ...and his comments about his wife were very endearing, as a man i respect.)
...and this certainly isn’t a black issue. i think there are more single white women, who have replaced men with government, than black women.
and the liberals have attacked marriage from EVERY possible direction, to destroy it and the family, precisely to make more of us dependent on goverment.
No they have become the Obama militia.
I also have heard others say that black families were just starting to move into the middle class status when this grave injustice was done to them by LBJ and his ilk.
Entire black neighborhoods were bulldozed in the name of “urban renewal” including black owned businesses. Sometimes being replaced with nothing.
if anyone around here is a bigot, i’d bet on NWFLConservative in Post #10.
“...blacks today. The men go around like bucks in the middle of rutting season,”
...even if he was correct, he certainly could have phrased it less offensively. i work with many good hardworking black men, who would rightly take offense at that blanket statement. (one recently buried his wife of over 50 years...)
...and such a quote, even taken out of context, needlessly gives ammunition to liberals, to attack FReepers as racists.
“I also have heard others say that black families were just starting to move into the middle class status when this grave injustice was done to them by LBJ and his ilk.”
excellent excellent point!!!
and one that Thomas Sowell researched extensively!
“In every census between 1890 and 1940, blacks posted higher marriage rates than whites. “
here is the BEST summary i know of of LBJ’s evil.
Daniel Patrick Moynihans Department of Labor report was DEVASTATING in it’s un-PC honestly, and it’s prophetic accuracy. (but it was suppressed and ignored.)
The Black Family: 40 Years of Lies by Kay S. Hymowitz, City ...Rejecting the Moynihan report caused untold, needless ... Between the 1954 Brown decision and the Civil Rights Act of ... not due to a lack of jobs but rather to a destructive ...
...and yes, you are correct, Thomas Sowell VERY clearly shows that blacks were doing much better, BEFORE the Civil Rights Act.
the CRA, and liberal policies, were deliberately destructive to blacks.
blacks certainly are not inferior in any way, or inherently more “promiscuous” as #10 above implies.
again, black marriage rates
were actually HIGHER than marriage rates for whites !!!
“In Affirmative Action Around the World (2004) and Civil Rights Sowell demonstrates that on several measures, black progress was actually better before the era of the expanding welfare state and affirmative action era of the 1970s, and even the Civil Rights Act of 1964, than in the contemporary era. In the decades immediately after the Civil War for example, blacks posted higher employment rates and lower divorce rates than whites.
As regards family stability and out-of-wedlock births, black rates prior to WWII were hardly perfect, (19% in 1940 and 22% in 1960) but were still far lower than the 70% out-of-wedlock births afflicting the black community at the beginning of the 21st century.
In every census between 1890 and 1940, blacks posted higher marriage rates than whites. “
Whenever a "liberal" uses the term "society," he almost always actually means government. So a promise of a "great society" was actually a boast that he would produce a great government.Republicans should talk about a great society; in fact Ronald Reagan did - but he called it "a shining city on a hill." It is appropriate to talk aspirationally about greatness of society - but it is arrogant to presume to suggest that you would be capable of administering a greater government than, say, George Washington was. By that I do not mean statically, that Washington's actual administration cannot be bettered, but dynamically - in the sense that Washington was creating the precedents and rules by which his successors have learned to operate.
The presumptuous "liberal" assumes that what he does not understand cannot be important. An attitude which manifests itself in "objective" journalists who think of Rumsfeld's "unknown unknowns" as being an oxymoron . . .
OH NO! Now not even WALTER can find work!
Oh yeah? Well, the way you both put that makes it sound like you just genocided the entire human race.
Well go hit yourself.
I just did.
But perhaps I shared too much.
Enough bantering, let’s just get back to the debate, now that we know you are a master.
There should be a special derogative for what LBJ’s nefarious “Great Society” did to America.
It’s like “the holocaust” only he didn’t overtly kill blacks, although some would say Roe vs. Wade very successfully accomplished that.
What he did was round them up, tempt them with promises, destroy their existing businesses, homes and family structures, and deliver their votes to the democrat party.
As previously mentioned, making government “the daddy” yanked the rug out from under the societal function of black men as a monogamous good providers, and proud fathers.
Had urban renewal, affirmative action, abortion and a host of socialist welfare dependence programs (including the community reinvestment act) never happened, we would currently be a stronger nation, with a larger, peaceful work force, and cohesive society.
Instead, we have a propaganda-infused anti-American subculture of angry, confused, single-mother welfare professionals, and a large numbers of violent terrorists who actually kill enough people each year to skew US life expectancy statistics.
Great job LBJ!
(then there’s a whole other discussion on his “separation of church and state” in the tax code)
I still maintain that LBJ was more destructive than Carter.
Who gave away Panama Canal to China.
The socialist FDR was no slouch either with SS and his make-work programs. And then there was Clinton, who sold us out to China with nuclear weapon and multistage rocket technology for campaign cash (Algor: No controlling legal authority).
Nice legacy the RATs have.
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