Posted on 06/27/2011 2:03:24 PM PDT by marktwain
Blog Readers: A MUST READ! This exchange of blog posts is from the Ohioians For Concealed Carry website and is between some of its members and the Dayton man who was forced to avert a car-jack/kidnap attempt on him this week by shooting assailant twice in the guts. Note at the end he says that he owes his life to the fact that he was carrying his Glock WITH A LIVE ROUND IN THE CHAMBER! Very good advice for those who think they have enough time to operate the slide and feed a live round into the chamber... In this case the citizen was holding onto the steering wheel with his left arm while the assailant was trying to drag him out of the car - other gang bangers were coming to assist when he shot the assailant off of him. With his right hand he was able to reach his loaded and ready to fire handgun from the center console. Note also that he said he wished his GUN WAS HOLSTERED ON HIM when this assault happened. Note also that he is NOW carrying a Kimber holstered on him while his Glock is impounded by law enforcement. Remember: ALWAYS HAVE A BACKUP PIECE HANDY. ALWAYS! Note also that the entire incident was caught on survellience tape and that the perp was the aggressor - the armed citizen was merely filling his car with gas. This exchange is a bit hard to read, but very revealing.
(Excerpt) Read more at burtonblog.com ...
I am guilty of not always keeping a round chambered. I do if I venture anywhere near or into a bad neighborhood.
I carry a S&W .38 revolver in my armrest and a Glock 19 in my glove compartment. The Glock is NOT racked, as there is no safety on Glock pistols. But the S&W is always ready to fire of course. I’ve always figured 5 fired wadcutters will give me time to grab and rack the 15 round Glock.
I bought a REAL pistol - one that has a REAL safety so I can carry chambered.
It’s insanity to carry a Glock concealed with one in the oven. Such pistols were MEANT to be carried in a holster, where it is harder to grab the pistol in such a way a to shoot self “where it counts”.
Look on youtube at all the videos of people shooting themselves accidentally....they are all semiauto pistols with no real safefty. Best one is of the BATF officer lecturing on gun safety, who then proceeds to shoot self in foot.
Gives a running description along with the raw video feed.
Good shoot!
When I first got my permit, it gave me the heebie-jeebies to carry with one in the chamber.
Now that I have plenty of range time and dry-fire practice at home, I realize the Sig P220 really IS safe. I also realize how much time and space one needs to chamber a round.
I keep my gun in the safe in the car when just travelling over the road, but it goes in the holster when I stop and get out for gas/food/pee.
My holster is a Blackhawk/Sherpa, OTW. Sometimes I wish I had a nice shoulder holster for traveling. It’$ only money ...
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=900+block+of+Wayne+Avenue+dayton+ohio&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1329&bih=700&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x88408407833cea5b:0x6414a2251462aa0,900+Wayne+Ave,+Dayton,+OH+45410&gl=us&ei=e_QITq_zAtORgQfz_tiACw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CBwQ8gEwAA Shows you where it’s at. This occurred at 1 AM. I’ve bought gas in this area on the way back from a trip to the Museum at Wright Patterson. Did it at rush hour. Then we went on back up to I70 and got out of there. They have a lot of bad parts of town around downtown Dayton.
Ah closing the barn door after the horse has bolted. Again.
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Carry a real semiautomatic and carry chambered. The gun has no safety BUT it is double action only with an 8 pound pull. There is no way to accidentally fire it. and I am always ready. I also get 8 shots instead of 7 in my single line magazine.
I have always been told to carry a gun you will carry and not think of as too cumbersome so I carry a Keltec PF9. It is less than one inch wide and has an attached belt clip so that it doesn't require a holster. conceals very nicely with any clothes. You just blouse you shirt up a bit from your belt and it completely covers the tiny portion of the gun that is above the belt. Love it. Anybody can buy one of these for under $250. 9mm ammo is on the cheap side compared to larger bores.
You’re right. Not my favorite part of town. We no longer live in Dayton, but when visiting, we do stay away from there.
Yet another excellent example of, “when seconds count, the police are minutes away”.
Glad it was on video. Glad the shooter wasn’t detained any more than necessary for the obligatory paperwork. Glad to hear his pistol is being returned soon.
All in all, it turned out rather well!
Here’s a chin-scratcher: “Will the bad guys learn from this life-lesson and start making better decisions?”
My opinion: I highly doubt it.
Nothing beats condition one on a M1911.
Tueller Drill : learn it, live it, love it.
<< The Glock is NOT racked, as there is no safety on Glock pistols >>
The Glock has 3 safeties and cannot fire unless the trigger is pulled.
<< It’s insanity to carry a Glock concealed with one in the oven. >>
Glocks have 3 safeties, starting with the one on the trigger. It is impossible to fire a Glock unless you press that first safety as you press the trigger.
Also any safety is a “mechanical device that can fail” and should never be relied on (but always used). Safety starts in the brain and ends at the finger tip. Keep finger off safety and gun won’t go off.
<< Such pistols were MEANT to be carried in a holster, where it is harder to grab the pistol in such a way a to shoot self “where it counts”. >>
All pistols should be carried in a holster. It takes less that a second to “present” a gun from the holster, even from under a concealment garment.
Things go wrong because the untrained (unsafe?) forget the basic rule of keeping their finger off the trigger until the sights are on the target.
Gangs? In frigging Dayton, OH? Who knew?
http://www.daytondailynews.com/p/content/oh/media/news/local/gangs/
John Browning designed the 1911 to be carried with the manual safety off, because the grip safety if just as effective as the trigger safety on a Glock.
The only thing that makes carry like that unsafe is lawyers and careless weapon handlers.
The last time I went to the Wanenmacher’s show in Tulsa, I had the displeasure of hearing an AD a few rows behind me.
One of the dealers had ammo for his Glock 20 in the show, and was shopping for mags. He was standing at a table testing the mags by hand cycling ammo through it.
The tragedy was that it was pointed at the hips of a bystander and I do not believe he survived.
Also any safety is a “mechanical device that can fail” and should never be relied on (but always used). Safety starts in the brain and ends at the finger tip. Keep finger off safety and gun won’t go off."
Yeah, yeah, yeah... *BANG!*
Glocks are indeed a factor in negligent discharges at a higher rate than other defensive handguns. I firmly believe that.
A *proper* holster is imperative for a Glock in a defensive carry role, elimination of any potential interference when holstering and drawing that may interrupt the Safe Action® trigger, and conscious re-holstering of the Glock pistol in addition to practiced maneuver when CCW'ing and drawing from a vehicle.
Any long-term CCW holder who carries a Glock can probably relate some kind of story about how they've almost negligently discharged a round. Consider the fellow in this story from Dayton who even carried his in his center console... How many pencils, ballpoint pens, iPod earbuds, and Glock trigger guard-shaped throat lozenges are jumbled around down in your car's center console? :)
I often CCW with a Glock, so this isn't coming from a Glock-hater.
I’ve carried a Glock for several years now and I can’t say I’ve ever come close to a negligent discharge. A proper holster is important regardless of what firearm one chooses to carry. Beyond that, every negligent discharge I’ve ever heard of with a Glock has always involved the user pulling the trigger. That’s the exact situation in which I do want my gun to fire. I’d be more unhappy if I heard that someone with the same gun I have put their finger on the trigger and it didn’t fire.
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