Posted on 07/11/2011 10:53:25 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
Well, I will concede this guy's point here.
They actually were.
Actually, I was trying to save the guy with the stick as much as the target. The target was a drunk a-hole who deliberately goaded the guy on to where he snapped, and the guy was drunk enough to fall for it and lose it. Not worth going to jail over but the guy lost it and the booze made him beyond reasoning with. Had I been 15 years younger I would have made more of a physical effort to stop him - for his own good - but he was almost as big as I was, a lot younger, and had that look in his eyes that said for me to get out of the way after trying to slow him down to think about what he was about to do.
Booze often makes people lose their reason. I'm big enough to have been an occasional bouncer in my youth. I hate dealing with violent and insane drunks, they are truly the worst.
>>he has a history of walking into someone else’s house and calling to say werewolves are chasing cars.<<
I couldn’t tell because of the poor quality of the video, but if you look real close, you can see it’s Robert Downey, Jr.
I think the subsequent force is reviewable, but not the initial tazing. The guy kept putting his hands back in his pockets at the start of this. Major, major no-no. And it is not a big deal to follow that simple request in that situation - the cop isn't searching you at that point and you are demonstrating to the cop that you in turn don't have a weapon. Keeps the situation for escalating like what happened here.
There are drunk a-holes who just will keep going for the sake of being an a-hole. I think that is what happened here, especially because it seems the other onlookers seemed to have wanted the guy gone from the premises (once again, sound and video quality is largely poor, so it's hard to be sure).
You were from the time when the police were the good guys. That time has went the way of the dodo bird.
If they are a threat while handcuffed, go ahead and kill them. They [you] have a gun on your hip, pull out your pistol and shoot them.
You must have had dealings with them.
See post 118 and get back to me.
Give the cops are responding to a call about possible gunshots fired, and have already told everyone present that is why they are here, well, not smart. You have to be a royal dumbass to do that in such a situation.
Just watched the video and thought that it was brutal. The police thugs are lucky the drunk they beat up was white or else this would be on the national news for weeks.
Oh, puh-leeze - he can’t keep his hands out of his pockets for five minutes when he is already drunk out of his gourd? You just don’t refuse to keep your hands out of your pockets in that situation where cops are investigating reports of shots fired - and you know better, but you just can’t admit that maybe, just maybe, the idiot gave the cops justification to take him down. I think the force applied after the first Tazing was probably excessive, but the perp gave them reason for force up to the first Tazing.
Baloney. They overreacted. then after he was on the ground and cuffed they punished him. Three cops couldn’t get a handcuffed drunk to stand up? They either didn’t know what they were doing or did and control wasn’t it. All they had to do was approach him from the rear sides and lift him up by his arms, one cop on each side. Why didnt they cuff his feet while he was on the ground? He was so hard to deal with that the one officer walked off with him on the ground. Is it because he got spit at or because he didn’t want to be part of the beating? Face it it was excessive force. As for the gunshots call that was probably bogus and when he arrived on the scene and talked to the other two he pretty much cleared that report as they did not report hearing gunshots or having guns and were cooperating 100% with the officer and wanted the drunk to leave. If there had been shots they would have told the officer. I support the police but this was unprofessional IMO. He got beat badly while on the ground and cuffed.
Overreacted? To a guy who several times REFUSED to keep his hands out of his pockets? When they are responding to a call of shots fired?
We'll just have to disgree here. To me, about the dumbest thing in the world is not to comply with a cop's request to keep your hands in view. If you don't think that is stupid beyond normal belief, well, then, a further discussion is obviously pointless.
He was so hard to deal with that the one officer walked off with him on the ground.
And later that cop is seen with a towel pressed to his forehead, as if staunching blood flow. IMO the idiot did something to bash that cop in the head - giving the cops even more reason to Taze him when he refused to cooperate in rolling over. But we'll see what the TBI says as we can't see details all that well in the video.
Unfortunately that seems to be the way of things and it breaks my heart.
Sorry FRiend, but the deputies went overboard.
Easier said than done. If he does have a weapon such as a knife, they have just moved within his striking range while he is on his feet and can pivot to counter the move. If you get him on the ground, you can keep his arms pinned against the ground. That is why cops want potentially hostile suspects on the ground. And refusing to show hands is a hostile act.
I really don't see excessive use of force here until after the first tazing - and subsequent tazing could be a function of his refusal to obey requests throughout the incident. I think the kicking while handcuffed and after being tazed is what will get these deputies in trouble.
His defense lawyer lied in the article as well - he claimed the perp obeyed all requests, when he did not follow the biggie that triggered this - and escalated an otherwise manageable incident. Throw in his history of being a drunken idiot who was arrested for drunkenly walking into someone's house - which probably meant he must have refused to leave for the incident to reach the point of an arrest - and you are talking about the kind of obnoxious moron that makes up some of the worst of cop calls.
See my transcript of the ENTIRE video in post 118 and get back to me. I think the kicking is what will get the deputies in trouble, but everything up to and through the first tazing was not excessive force AFAIC.
I respectfully disagree. I’ve arrested a boatload of drunks. They are usually stupid and always a pain in the rear. This Ring clown was a jerk, but he got more of a thumping than was needed to control him. The deputies abused the privelege of their authority and now they need to answer for it.
“Tasers were sold to society as a last resort to use instead of a gun.”
First I’ve ever heard that. Tasers were sold as a method of gaining control of a suspect without the danger of serious injury a baton can inflict, kept the cops at more than arm’s length so they couldn’t get injured and reduced the rolling around on the ground routine that frequently ensued when a drunk took umbrage at a cop’s commands. In short, they were supposed to reduce the likelyhood of injury or death to suspects and cops. Not as a last resort to use instead of a firearm.
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