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Posted on 07/11/2011 10:53:25 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
Well, regarding the grand jury indictment, google 'Indict a ham sandwich' and get back to me. The TV account says TBI is investigating, so we'll see what comes of that.
And this is from Friday:
Man beaten by Humphreys deputies released
Posted: Jul 08, 2011 7:33 PM EDT
Updated: Jul 08, 2011 11:06 PM EDT
By Dennis Ferrier - email Video Gallery <1|2>
Statement from Humphreys County Sheriff Chris Davis
WAVERLY, Tenn - Darrin Ring has sat in jail since January charged with aggravated assault on police officers and resisting arrest outside of Waverly.
However, that all changed after Public Defender Jake Lockert contacted District Attorney Dan Alsobrooks.
First, the D.A. requested an independent investigation by the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation.
"Once we actually reviewed the police in-car video, it raised enough questions to order a full investigation," said Alsobrooks. "We don't want to rush to judgment, but we did want to release Mr. Ring pending the investigation."
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Ring has been in frequent trouble in Humphreys County. He has been arrested for walking into another man's home while intoxicated, DUI and for trying to stop traffic while intoxicated.
Humphreys County deputies once got a call that a werewolf was chasing cars. It turned out to be Ring.
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(had to include the part about werewolves - too funny).
ping to 102
Clearly the oficers were using the wrong weapons to subdue him. They should have been issued silver bullets. ;-)
i’m shocked. but not at the police.
i lost any naive attitudes i still had, when the Nevada Police murdered the West Point grad, at COSTCO, and when Dupnik’s SWAT team murdered that young Marine in AZ.
i am only shocked, at liberal style personal attacks, on someone who simply pointed out some legitimate possibilities, about a violent drunk with a previous history of resisting arrest.
sorry if i’m out of line here. but i thought on FR you could make an opinion, and speculate about mitigating information, without being viciously attacked and condemned.
I disagree with Dirtboy’s OPINION.
I agree with kartographer, maine-iac7, and others.
It’s true: “Some people just like to beat drunks.”
(especially since more police now, are just heartless liberals with Criminal Justice degrees, instead of ex-military.)
...but accusing Dirtboy of violent crimes (especially when it seems he tried to save someone from an armed drunk in reality), is beyond ridiculous to the point of slander.
” I think dirtboy is what we are seeing here is you trying to justify your own conscience over some beating or beatings that dished out in the past to some poor drunk slob. “
” Considering you attitude you might be better taking the fifth rather than discussing how you handled drunk morons in the past. “
” If I am not being clear, Dirtboy in my JUDGEMENT does not deserve the privilegde of posting. “
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...as for the case itself, i’m sure there will be a lawsuit.
but i wonder why the money for lawsuits comes from Taxpayers like us???
... If a Cop is bad, sue him for every penny!!!
But the taxpayers shouldn’t be on the hook. Even the SCOTUS ruled that schools can’t be sued for sexual abuse by teachers, even if the school knew of previous incidents.
...maybe make cops and teachers carry personal insurance like Doctors.
but i’m simply tired of us paying double, for government mistakes.
When there's crap going on that overreaches, you can COUNT on me backing citizens. This one might have been rough, but not excessive. If you are a drunkass idiot and cops got you, stay drunkass, and lose the idiot.
Grossly? I dunno. Disciplined, okay, I might go for that, if it is like some Violence Awareness course. Not much more than that. Dude was being a drunkass idiot.
Oh well, we disagree on this one. Rare, but hey, it happens.
Also, what part do you agree with dirtboy on, specifically? dirtboy came back and said the beating was excessive. Not sure why the kicking would be any different.
Those are what concern me most.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2745839/posts
http://www.fox17.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wztv_vid_8424.shtml
Here is the thread & link from last Friday 07.08.11, since you would like to see more of the video.
Alcohol makes people less able to feel cold (whilst simultaneously lowering body temperature). Leaving him out there naked in the snow would itself have been dangerous to him. Tasers do not strictly speaking work on the pain compliance level. They work by over-riding the central nervous system and preventing conscious nerve impulses from carrying out commands ordered by the brain (i.e. 'punch that cop'). Batons can also introduce crippling concussive forces that are not entirely about pain compliance. I don't know to what extent that what the police officers did was justified or not, because I do not fully understand the context, but you need to understand certain things about the physiology of the human body, especially when it is under the influence of chemicals, including adrenaline, in order to understand why what you think should work might not necessarily work effectively and safely on a pumped-up, drug-fueled or drunken nutcase...
Tasers were sold to society as a last resort to use instead of a gun. I do not think this was that kind of situation. A taser is often used as punishment.
....but you need to understand certain things about the physiology of the human body, especially when it is under the influence of chemicals, including adrenaline, in order to understand why what you think should work might not necessarily work effectively and safely on a pumped-up, drug-fueled or drunken nutcase....
I am aware of how the body can react/perform when under alcohol, drugs and even PCP. I have seen a person grab a toilet and rip it off the floor and grab a person and throw them across the room and also bang their own head on a wall repeatedly for no apparent reason. A drunk on the other hand is a a little easier to control. It still goes back to the proper procedure which is start with one level of force and escalate it as necessary, one does not start by shooting someone when their is no threat to them and no threat of escape. A little patience and talking would probably resolved the situation with a better outcome.
http://www.llrmi.com/articles/legal_update/taser_9th_2010.shtml
>> Grossly? I dunno... Dude was being a drunkass idiot.
Fair enough. Drunkass idiot is not in dispute.
How about I downgrade from GROSSLY all-caps to grossly lower case? It’s my final offer. :-)
Ever been tasered? You can’t do much of anything for a bit ot time afterwards. You can’t get your appendages to obey your commands.
You can try it out for yourself. Go out naked in the snow. Get a guy to taser you, then cuff you, then ask you to roll over.
I’ll bet you’ll be doing well just mastering the process of breathing, let alone talking.
>>...We don’t see what happened leading up to him being in cuffs. We have no sense if the guy had been violent prior to that....<<
Makes no difference. If two or more presumably able-bodied LEO’s can’t manage one, hand-cuffed, naked drunk — then those LEO’s aren’t cut out for the job. If they don’t find another line of work, they are going to either *seriously* hurt someone unnecessarily or get hurt themselves. These guys don’t appear to have the temperament for the job.
I keep saying it, but it bears repeating: We need more Andy Griffiths and fewer Barney Fifes.
Maybe you could try watching the video I linked in 102.
I just did.
The conflict starts at about 20:47:00 - three cops have shown up and after about five minutes, one cop asks the guy to takes his hands out of his pockets after the two others have complied without a problem. He takes them out and then puts them right back in after being asked four times to stop - MAJOR no-no. On the fourth time, about 20:47:45, three cops drag him to the ground. I imagine that is what triggered him getting stripped.
It's not easy to see exactly what is going on or hear the details from that point, but you can tell he is putting up a major wrestling match. After about five minutes, one of the cops get up and walk away. The other two stay in place, you still hear a lot of grunting and groaning and bleeps.
>About 20:55:11, they seem to start punching the guy at times, not continuously.
About 20:56:15, looks like they start hitting him with sticks - once again, it's hard to see exactly what is going on, and the strikes are occasional, not continuous.
About 21:00:25, the third cop walks back into the picture with what appears to be a towel pressed to his head, looks like he was stopping bleeding on his forehead from the way he was holding the towel, but, once again, it's hard to tell.
All this time the onlookers are watching - a couple of times they go over to the scrum and them walk back, don't hear the cops telling them to get away. One goes over by the car a couple of times, I think he might have brought the one cop a towel.
Two more cops show up at the point where the other video starts at 21:01:11. At that point, you have one cop with a possible injury and two other cops who have been wresting with a lunatic drunk/druggie guy for 14 minutes. If you don't think that is exhausting, well, just check how long college wrestling matches last. Less than half that time - by atheletes who train for it.
And this guy is a drunken nut who is probably on heavy drugs as well if he has a history of walking into someone else's house and calling to say werewolves are chasing cars. He is not going to be subdeued without drastic action.
So in the context of one possibly injured cop and two likely exhausted cops, I can see why they tazed him initially when the other two cops showed up. And given that he had refused to obey the most fundamental of commands to start - show hands - and then fought them for 14 minutes while still refusing to follow basic commands such as rolling over, I don't see where there was an alternative to tazing him at least once. I think the subsequent force by the cops after the first tazing was a function of him having failed to follow commands to that point - even when able to move - which meant the cops didn't know if he was still being stubborn or could not move. Throw in exhaustion and anger on the part of the cops and it was a mess. We'll leave it for the TBI to sort this out, they have neutral eyewitnees who watched the entire incident firsthand to see how much was justified and how much was just raw anger on the part of the cops, and probably could testify as to details that you just can't see on most of the video leading up the tazing.
But seriously, this guy wasn't just standing around doing nothing. Like I said, show me the whole video.
See post 118. The guy had repeatedly refused basic commands - including to show his hands. That is truly about the worst command to ignore around a cop. So when he was lying there after being tazed, was he immobile or still refusing to follow a command? I think they could have maybe waited a bit, but they had just fought to control the guy for nearly 15 minutes.
Post 118 is my rough transcription of the video. Any errors are mine, was just scribbling notes on the back of an envelope because it streched out so long.
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