Posted on 08/16/2011 9:42:18 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
Wonder if Perry ran off to Wideawakes too then...?
“Such facts are a buzzkill, and they interfere with the Perrygasms everyone is having.”
So sorry to interrupt your buzz. Meanwhile back at the ranch, there is a Marxist ruining our great country. And your concern is your buzz?
Pathetic. Wish we did not have to know you. Toke up and keep the hopey changey faith alive, dude.
Disease isn't a morality issue, it's a public safety issue. If the vaccine was 100% safe, which apparently it wasn't, is should have been made 100% mandatory. If they come out with an AIDS vaccine that's 100% safe, it should be 100% mandatory. Or a malaria vaccine, or any other major lethal illness. I've travelled all over the world, and my shot record is the size of a small phone book. I'd would look like the DC Metro phone book if there were more shots available.
I understand that this particular vaccine had some apparent side effects. That's reason to say no. Objecting to disease prevention on moral grounds, however, is utterly immoral, to the point of being clearly barbaric.
Getting a shot doesn't tell people to go be promiscuous. They'll do what humans have always done. Obeyed what they're taught until biology pushes some of them further. Kids make mistakes, and the classic consequence is hard enough as it is. The mistakes these days can becomes lives of misery and eventual death. If you enjoy the idea of STDs as some kind of divine punishment, then the fact that you feel your rights are violated by when the state tries to protect your children is evidence you put your own emotional satisfaction over the physical well being of others. Any way you slice that, no matter the motivation, it's truly monstrous.
I'm largely a libertarian, but in health issues, when you're talking about stopping the spread of disease, I'm fully with the state. Even a highly limited government should recognize disease control as one of it's few legitimate functions. If that's a RINO position, then so be it.
All I have on that matter is what I have read researching what Perry is all about. This is from a source that seems more mainstream than partisan.
1. Perry is not George Bush. Don’t assume that because Bush and Perry served together in the Capitol, or because they’re both Republican Texans who wear boots, the two men have a lot in common. They don’t. As governor, Bush positioned himself as “a uniter, not a divider,” championing education as one of his main priorities. Perry has been the opposite kind of chief executive: dismissive of Democrats and fond of political maneuvers that put the heat on moderates within his own party. And in the legislative session that just wrapped up, he presided over a budget that cut $4 billion from public schools. The cultural differences are striking too. Perry, the son of a Big Country cotton farmer, is at ease with a populist tea party message; W., the scion of a political dynasty, always seemed more comfortable with the country club set. They have followed starkly different paths. When W. began his political career, he had a famous name, access to his father’s huge national fund-raising base, and the backing of the establishment wing of the Republican party. As a late arrival in the Republican ranks, Perry had no fund-raising base and little name identification. He had no choice but to gravitate to the conservative wing of the GOP, where he could prove up his conservative bona fides. Nor is there any love lost between the two men. When Perry ran for lieutenant governor, in 1998, Bush’s camp wanted everyone on the ticket to run positive races; the Perry team defied the order, and ever since, relations have been frosty. There is one other critical difference. Bush lost his first race, for Congress. Perry has won every race he’s ever run.
http://www.texasmonthly.com/2011-08-01/btl.php
I have found no current writings where the Perry and Bush dislike has been mended. Apparently Bush and Rove have one of their nick names for Perry that is derogatory. Rove just today and another Bushie, Dana Parino, unloaded on Perry about his “Treason” remarks. Add to that that the Bushes dislike Sarah Palin and she is friends with Perry, the feud seems likely.
Fine. Who shall we rally around then?
“I very much regret the selfish and ultimately self-defeating attitude of the Perry/Palin camps in waging internecine guerrilla war. I suspect most of it is unauthorized. It is certainly unproductive.”
Yes.
No, illegals are not the majority of our Hispanic population in Texas. The majority of our Hispanics are legal citizens (born or naturalized.) Yes, it was the wrong decision, the consequences of which were prevented.
We keep our powder dry for Governor Palin. If we need to fall back to an establishment type candidate to take out Romney, then we have Perry.
As establishment types go, Perry ranks very good, as a fellow Texan, I much prefer him to most Republican Presidents and primary winners.
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We need somebody who can WIN this thing. That means somebody with cross-over appeal, which our Palen, Bachmann and Cain (no matter how much we love them) simply do not have.
Until 1989, Rick Perry was a conservative Democrat. He switched parties as, like many Democrats including Ronald Reagan and Phil Gramm, he saw that party moving farther and farther to the left. Under Perry’s decade as governor, hundreds of Texas Democrats have followed his lead and become Republicans. As a former Democrat, Perry can speak to that swath of his former party that has become disenchanted with their party as President Obama has taken it even farther to the left, in a way that few Republicans can. He can also speak well and credibly to all wings of the national GOP, from the fiscal cons to the social cons to the libertarian set.
He would appeal to all segments of the Republican electorate and would come armed with a record of economic success and a commitment to liberty that no other contender can match.
Texas has been voted #1 business climate for the last seven years.
Texas has been getting all of California’s jobs.
Perry must be doing something right.
We need a good business guy right now.
Perry has proved it.
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CONSERVATIVE ICONS SUPPORT PERRY:
>Sarah Palin threw her endorsement to Rick Perry for governor.
Recently restated that she likes Perry
“He walks the walk of a true conservative” “And he sticks by his guns — and you know how I feel about guns.”
Sarah Palin
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/02/palin-perry-201.html
>Rush said that Perry is his dream candidate.
http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/rush-limbaugh-on-the-record-3/
>Michael Reagan praises Perry:
“If you don’t believe Reaganomics can still work in this day and age, for whatever reason, I say you should look no further than the state of Texas.
Under the leadership of Gov. Rick Perry, Texas has championed and built upon the concepts my father used to rebuild America in the 1980s..
In short, Reagan Revolution is alive and well - deep in the heart of Texas.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/24/reagans-vision-lives-on-in-texas/?page=1
>Ted nugent is a close friend and supporter.
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>Since Perry has been Governor of Texas, Texas has added more than 850,000 jobs, more than all other states combined. Texas has added over 180,000 jobs since August of 2009.
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>According to this web site Texas is #1 this year and last year for business friendly.
http://chiefexecutive.net/best-worst-states-for-business
Obama would not want not run against a governor that has the BEST business climate in the U.S. when everything else is in a depression.
>He refused to raise taxes when Texas faced a record $10 billion budget shortfall in 2003. Instead, he was the first Texas governor since World War II to sign a budget that lowered state spending (and has now done it twice). As governor, Perry has used his line item veto to cut over $3 billion in proposed spending.
>For seven years running, CEOs polled by Chief Executive magazine have rated Texas first in business development and job growth. Texas boasts 58 Fortune 500 companies — more than any other state.
>As America’s No. 1 exporting state, Texas shipped $206.6 billion in goods abroad last year, composing 16 percent of America’s $1.28 trillion in exports. California’s $14.4 billion in exports ranked it second, with 11.2 percent of U.S. outflow.
>Texas’ achievements so stunned Gavin Newsom, California’s Democratic lieutenant governor, that he flew a delegation to Austin last May to ask Perry how he lures defectors from the Golden State.
>Of the 70 companies that fled California in 2011, the Wall Street Journal’s John Fund reported last April, 14 relocated to Texas — these exiles’ primary destination.
http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2011/06/21/opinion/nh4142489.txt
>In 2005, Perry signed a historic $15.7 billion property tax cut for homeowners and businesses that also included new taxpayer protections against appraisal increases. In 2009, Gov. Perry secured a tax cut for approximately 40,000 small businesses in Texas and protected the Rainy Day Fund for future challenges.
>He led the battle to pass the country’s most sweeping lawsuit reforms, closing the door on junk lawsuits that had been making trial lawyers rich while driving countless doctors either out of the state or the profession all together. Since Texas voters approved these reforms, malpractice claims and premiums have fallen and access to healthcare is increasing across the state as doctors have applied in droves to practice in Texas.
>Perry is also known for his socially conservative views on homosexuality, and he opposes same sex marriage. He condemned the United States Supreme Court decision in Lawrence vs. Texas, which struck down a Texas sodomy law. He called the law “appropriate”
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ABORTION:
>Perry is pro-life and opposes government funding for elective abortions. In 2005, Perry, a social conservative, signed a bill that limited late-term abortions and required girls under the age of 18 who procure abortions to notify their parents. Perry signed the bill in the gymnasium of Calvary Christian Academy in Fort Worth, an evangelical Christian school.
>Perry signed into law a bill requiring a sonogram and doctor’s explanation before granting an abortion
>In 2005, Perry signed a new law that requires minor girls to receive parental consent before getting an abortion. This law strengthens a parental notification law Perry supported as Lt. Gov. in 1999, which
helped reduce teen abortions by 26 percent.
Perry has also signed a ban on third trimester abortions, a ban on tax dollars being used to support abortion facilities, a prenatal protection act that protects
unborn children from assault, and an informed consent law that helps expectant mothers better understand the risks and consequences of abortion. Perry supports a ban on human cloning and will veto any
legislation that provides state dollars for embryonic stem cell research, a process that ends a human life.
Perry urges to keep up pressure to roll back the landmark 1973 Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion until “Roe v. Wade is nothing but a shameful footnote in our nation’s history books.
>Perry, a frequent critic of the federal government, also bashed President Barack Obama for his administration’s policy allowing federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, saying he was deeply disturbed by studies that turn “the remains of unborn children into nothing more than raw material.”
>Perry has faulted Obama for reversing the so-called “Mexico City policy” that banned giving federal money to international groups that perform abortions or provide information about abortions. Obama struck down the policy during his first week in office, saying it was too broad and undermined family planning in developing countries.
Under Obama “our federal tax dollars can now be used to fund abortion all over the world. With the stroke of a pen, abortion essentially became a U.S. foreign export,” Perry said.
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IMMIGRATION:
>Perry adds immigration issues to lawmaker session
Perry wants passage of a measure requiring every person arrested to be run through the federal immigration databases as part of the Secure Communities program. He also wants to provide the state Department of Public Safety with the authority to make sure someone is in the U.S. legally before issuing a driver’s license.
>These measures, along with a ban on sanctuary cities, would “provide a clear message that Texas will not turn a blind eye to those breaking our laws,” Perry said in a statement.
“Texas owes it to the brave law enforcement officials, who put their lives on the line every day to protect our families and communities, to give them the discretion they need to adequately do their jobs,” Perry said.
http://www.rickperry.org/media-articles/perry-adds-immigration-issues-lawmakers-agenda-0?amp
>Gov. Perry has made numerous requests of the federal govt. to enforce the border in Texas including handing President Obama a letter in person when he landed in Dallas last year.
(Obama insulted governor Perry when he turned away and Perry had to hand the letter on the illegals issue to presidential adviser Valerie Jarrett. Obama declined to personally accept it.)
>Gov. Perry refuses to meet/greet Obama in May 2011 at El Paso during his Texas tour.
Perry later declared, “If he wanted to meet, I was in Austin.
>Perry signed into law photo ID required before voting.
WHAT have other states done?? (with the exception of AZ Ok and Ga)
What have other candidates stated that they would do?
What has Sarah stated she would do?
What is Backmann’s plan?
What did Reagan do?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jan/06/rudy-giuliani/yep-reagan-did-the-a-word/
President Ronald Reagan was the first president in history to grant amnesty to illegal aliens. On November 6, 1986, he signed into law the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) of 1986, [PUB L 99-603]. In so doing, he set a precedent whereby the United States would not seek to deport illegal aliens, but to reward their lawbreaking by granting them full citizenship.
NEWSFLASH! None of them are going to do much.
We have to take the best of the lot.
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CHRISTIAN RELIGIOUS BELIEFS:
In what was described as a “God and country” sermon at the Cornerstone church in San Antonio, attended by Perry and other mostly Republican candidates, the Rev. John Hagee stated, “If you live your life and don’t confess your sins to God Almighty through the authority of Christ and His blood, I’m going to say this very plainly, you’re going straight to hell with a nonstop ticket.”
Perry was asked if he agreed with those comments and said, “It is my faith, and I’m a believer of that.”[39] Perry went on to say that there was nothing in the sermon that he took exception with.
Humorist and entertainer Kinky Friedman, the Jewish independent candidate for governor in the 2006 election, said, “He doesn’t think very differently from the Taliban, does he?” Carole Keeton Strayhorn disagreed with Perry’s comments, and Democrat Chris Bell said that one who is in public office should “respect people of all faiths and denominations”.
Conservatives then responded, arguing that Perry had a right to his religious beliefs, and that he was not disrespecting Americans of other religious convictions. While visiting Israel in August 2009, Perry gave an interview to the Jerusalem Post in which he affirmed his support for Israel from his religious background, “I’m a big believer that this country was given to the people of Israel a long time ago, by God, and that’s ordained.”
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ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES:
>Perry does not believe there is valid scientific proof of anthropogenic global warming. He has said several times that there is no scientific consensus on the issue.[69] In a September 7, 2007, speech to California Republicans, Perry said, “Virtually every day another scientist leaves the global warming bandwagon. ... But you won’t read about that in the press because they have already invested in one side of the story.”
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>Pro-life, Pro-guns, pro-spending cuts, pro-business
>He’s an outside-the-Beltway candidate
>He is not a Ivy League grad
>He was an Air Force captain who flew a C-130
>Speaks Spainish.
(Odumbo says everybody should speak a foreign language, but he CAN’T)
>Fighting with Obama on many fronts
Google Perry/Obama and you will see he’s been fighting him and his government for the past two years.
>PERRY ISSUES OBAMA A COUPLE OF BIG FUBOs:
1. “Texas to Allow Regular Incandescent Bulbs”
Reports are the governor will sign Bill HB2510 by June 19th.
Bill HB2510 allows for the manufacture and sale of incandescent light bulbs otherwise banned in federal legislation of 2007, applicable from 1 January 2012 onwards.
The legality, at least in the way the proposed law is framed, has apparently been cleared with the US Attorney General’s office.
The Bill has already passed in both House and Senate with overwhelming support.
While Texas has no current manufacture, relevant parties are being invited to restart it.
Texas has been a leading US state in providing new local jobs, and this is seen as a further contributive measure.
http://freedomlightbulb.blogspot.com/2011/06/texas-to-allow-incandescent-light-bulbs.html
2.Perry Adds TSA Anti-Groping Bill to Call
http://www.texastribune.org/texas-politics/tea-party/updated-perry-adds-tsa-anti-groping-bill-to-call/ ^
Gov. Rick Perry this evening announced the addition of TSA anti-groping legislation to the agenda for the special legislative session. In a statement, he said lawmakers could consider legislation “relating to the prosecution and punishment for the offense of official oppression on those seeking access to public buildings and transportation.”
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>There is no such thing as ‘Perrycare’
>Signed into law sonogram and explanation by physician before abortion
>Signed into law, photo ID ident to vote
>Perry did not apply for federal “Race to the Top” education funds because he said it would force national standards upon Texas.
>He has vetoed a record 248 bills, including dozens after the 2001 session, angering many lawmakers.
>He said last year that President Barack Obama was “hell-bent” on turning America into a socialist country.
>Won governorship of state with lots of latinos
>He used to be a Democrat. So? So did Reagan.
>The Bush’s don’t like him
>He has NEVER lost an election, including an elementary school contest for “king” of the Paint Creek School Carnival. He secured that win by handing out pennies for votes.
>Perry has degree in animal science from Texas A&M University
>He is an Eagle Scout and wrote a book about the Boy Scouts, ‘On My Honor’.
Rick Perry uses the Boy Scouts to draw a battle line in what he considers a “culture war,” defending them against the American Civil Liberties Union and what he sees as a moral struggle for the country’s future.
The book also traces a 30-year history of litigation involving the Scouts — most of which they won — which Perry considers an attack on traditional values and faith in God.
Perry targets the ACLU as the primary force behind a leftist push to accept homosexuality and challenge Scouting’s duty to God.
http://www.rickperry.org/media/perrys-new-book-supports-boy-scouts-attacks-aclu
>Perry has a reputation for not sweating
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MISC:
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>He played quarterback on the six-man football team for the Paint Creek Pirates. He also played basketball and ran track.
>He’s a runner and triathlete.
>He is an outdoorsman who enjoys hunting and fishing.
>He plays the drums. At a January 2005 inaugural party in Washington, he played with ZZ Top in front of 2,000 people
>Perry has Romney’s looks without the other baggage.
Raised on a ranch.
Has hair.
6’ tall- presidential (especially after Obama)
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PERRY TRASHING:
Anytime governor Rick Perry is mentioned, Free Repubic seems to turn into something resembling Democratic Underground.
Posts regarding Perry are peppered with profanity, vulgarity and downright fabrications- the likes of which is seldom seen on Free Republic.
This is hardly in the best interests of our Conservative agenda. The Loony Left does not need any help from us in the character assassination of our Conservatives.
This Perry trashing comes from the Ron ‘truther’ Paul nuts, Debra Medina sour grapers, lurking Libs- and I suspect, over zealous Sarah Palin supporters and a few Bachmann supporters.
(I love Sarah and Michelle Bachmann as much as anyone else, but we MUST face reality when it comes to our beautiful Conservative ladies’ chances of winning this thing!)
Don’t you think it more sensible to trust what the Conservative icons have to say about Perry?
>Sarah Palin threw her endorsement to Rick Perry for governor-. She recently restated that she likes Perry.
>Rush said that Perry is his dream candidate. http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/rush-limbaugh-on-the-record-3/
>Michael Reagan praises Perry:
“If you don’t believe Reaganomics can still work in this day and age, for whatever reason, I say you should look no further than the state of Texas.
Under the leadership of Gov. Rick Perry, Texas has championed and built upon the concepts my father used to rebuild America in the 1980s..
In short, Reagan Revolution is alive and well - deep in the heart of Texas.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/24/reagans-vision-lives-on-in-texas/?page=1
>Ted Nugent is a close friend and supporter.
Don’t you think it more sensible to trust what numerous politicians and scholars have said about Rick Perry than various haters?
VISIT THIS SITE
Read the official statements of dozens of Perry’s fellow politicians and scholars (both Democrats and Republicans) have had to say about Rick Perry: http://www.politico.com/arena/archive/rick-perry-for-president-in-2012.html
All (including Democrat opponents) have called him a staunch Conservative, and not one of the dozens issuing opinions has mentioned the vaccine or TTC.
Apparently they don’t consider these things an issue. They DID mention Perry threatening to secede from the union as a strike against him.
What Perry actually said; “You know, my hope is that America and Washington in particular pays attention,” Perry continued. “We’ve got a great union. There is absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what may come out of that? So. But Texas is a very unique place and we’re a pretty independent lot to boot.”
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The Gadasil vaccine Perry tried to “force” on Texas girls?
Dead issue.
He never tried to force it.
There was an opt out. It was up to parents to choose
Always.
Perry statement of Gardasil:
8/15/11
“I signed an executive order that allowed for an opt-out, but the fact of the matter is that I didn’t do my research well enough to understand that we needed to have a substantial conversation with our citizenry,” Perry said at the Manchester, N.H., event in response to an audience question about the HPV controversy, according to ABC News’ The Note. “But here’s what I learned: When you get too far out in front of the parade, they will let you know, and that’s exactly what our Legislature did, and I saluted it and I said, ‘Roger that, I hear you loud and clear.’ And they didn’t want to do it and we don’t, so enough said.”
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Trans Texas Hiway?
Dead issue.
If that’s the worst he’s done, I can live with it.
I just want someone who can kick the Marxist/Muslim usurper’s sorry a$$ out of our White House!!
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Bilderberg member?
Dead issue.
Governor Perry attended one meeting in 2007.
Many prominent Americans have attended these meeting.
That does NOT mean they are members or agree with their ‘agenda’- whatever that is.
Some who attended in the past: Reagan, Thatcher,Ford, Eisenhower, Gates
Why NOT attend if invited? I would want to know what in the heck they are all about and what they are up to.
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>Americans WILL get it:
>Better looking
>Better record
>Rick Perry for President
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>>I have never seen so many people abdicate their conservative character because they are supporting a weak candidate.
This is shameful. <<
It’s “party over principle.”
And yes, it is shameful.
>>>He played quarterback on the six-man football team for the Paint Creek Pirates. He also played basketball and ran track.
>He’s a runner and triathlete.
>He is an outdoorsman who enjoys hunting and fishing.
>He plays the drums. At a January 2005 inaugural party in Washington, he played with ZZ Top in front of 2,000 people
>Perry has Romney’s looks without the other baggage.
Raised on a ranch.
Has hair.
6’ tall- presidential (especially after Obama)<<
In your mind, these are qualifications to be leader of the Free World? Wow.
>>Anytime governor Rick Perry is mentioned, Free Repubic seems to turn into something resembling Democratic Underground.
Posts regarding Perry are peppered with profanity, vulgarity and downright fabrications- the likes of which is seldom seen on Free Republic.
This Perry trashing comes from the Ron ‘truther’ Paul nuts, Debra Medina sour grapers, lurking Libs- and I suspect, over zealous Sarah Palin supporters and a few Bachmann supporters.<<
Spoken like a true paranoiac.
I didn't go to refute the post. I am just adding context to a few of the issue being raised.
If you would like solid refutation of some of these issues brought up, BuckeyeTexan is doing a solid job of explaining the decisions Perry has made in the past. They are very thorough and worth the read.
BuckeyeTexan, you are giving an education with your posts. Excellent work.
“Disease that is not communicable and is contracted via a choice of risky behavior is not a public safety issue it is the choice of the individual and if it is a child it is the responsibility of the Parent.”
It would be improper to wish typhoid, malaria, measles, diphtheria, whooping cough, syphilis, brucellocis, or polio upon any other human being.
Except for you and your progeny.
All disease is communicable.
Dividing diseases into groups based off of what you feel the perceived moral ranking of a given virus is utterly defies reason.
Aside from outright rape, there's plenty of very good kids that make one very bad mistake. They might have been taught better, know better, and feel guilty afterward, but human biology prompts people to reproduce. It's hard enough when that mistake leads to creating a new life. These days it can lead to suffering and death. That's a hell of a thing to wish on kids, when science gave you the power to stop it. This is a dark, twisted version of conservatism.
If you had 50 vaccines for the words deadliest diseases, sent from the future, you really only give your kids 40 of them? "No need for those last ten, Timmy. Those are for behavioral diseases. You won't ever sin, so you won't be needing those shots."
If that's how you think, then you were right to capitalize the word Parent like God.
I posted this on another thread but fwiw. I didn’t take kindly to Perry saying that TEA partiers are not angry, merely indignant. It reminded me too much of Jeremiah Wright saying America was “indignant” about 9/11. I was angry then, and I’m angry now. I don’t need anybody explaining that my anger isn’t really anger. I would prefer somebody explaining to Obama et al WHY I am so angry.
There is nothing wrong with being angry over the wholesale destruction Obama is wreaking on our country. Sometimes indignation just doesn’t cut it. Why our anger needs to be watered down in order to be palatable for the other side I don’t know. I want to speak for myself, or else have a leader who speaks accurately for me, and doesn’t feel the need to misrepresent the way I feel on a fundamental level.
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