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Bin Laden and Seal Team 6 Deaths
http://barnhardt.biz/ ^ | 8-7-11 | Ann Barhardt

Posted on 08/19/2011 6:18:17 AM PDT by econjack

The Execution Of SEAL Team Six Penned by Ann Barnhardt 8-7-11

The Execution of SEAL Team Six (Part 1)

On May 5th, I had an email conversation with a retired military man with spook contacts. All were in total agreement that the Bin Laden episode was pure theater. The SEALS were sent into a compound as evidenced by the lost chopper on site. But Osama Bin Laden wasn't in that compound. Osama Bin Laden has been dead for years. Bin Laden had a genetic condition that caused renal failure (this genetic condition is common among deeply inbred Saudi arab muslims). Bin Laden had been on dialysis BEFORE 9/11. Dialysis is difficult enough for people in first world countries who can have it done in outstanding facilities. Bin Laden was having it done either in caves or in homes post 9/11. People in renal failure having dialysis done in fricking caves do NOT live for ten more years. Period. There was no dialysis equipment found in the compound the SEALS raided on May

2. Of course there wasn't. Bin Laden wasn't in that compound because Bin Laden has been dead for years. This is why the "body" was declared "positively identified" faster than any known DNA testing process in existence - and this DNA testing was carried out not in a lab mind you, but inside Chinook and/or V-22 Osprey helos en route to the USS Carl Vinson. The body was then dumped into the Indian Ocean in a mad dash to ensure that "burial" took place within 24 hours of death in order to "honor" musloid burial traditions. Not a single picture of the so-called "Bin Laden corpse" has ever been released - and never will.

The entire Bin Laden episode was stagecraft. It was pure theater that was designed to give Obama a boost in the polls and give distraction and cover. Distract from what? Cover from what?

April 20, 2011: The release date of Dr. Jerome Corsi's book, "Where's the Birth Certificate" is announced as May 17, and pre-sales begin on Amazon.com. Corsi's work is known to be extremely thorough and meticulous. Within hours, Corsi's book is #1 on Amazon.com - fully 28 days before its release. The Obama regime is panicked. April 27, 2011: In order to diffuse and undercut the Corsi book, the Obama regime releases a PDF image purported to be a scan of his original long-form Hawaiian birth certificate. Within hours, thousands of graphic designers, many of whom are self-professed Obama voters and supporters, isolate and demonstrate with dozens of objective proof sets that the PDF released by the Obama regime is not just a forgery, but an astoundingly incompetent and obvious forgery.

April 27 through May 2: The Obama regime is now in a blind panic. Deeming it too risky, instead of commissioning the forged birth certificate from document and photo illustration experts within the CIA or NSA, the Obama regime instead farmed the project off on someone inside the White House with a functional but middling knowledge of photo illustration programs. To the thoroughly inexpert eyes of Barack Obama, Michelle Obama and Valerie Jarrett, the forged certificate file appeared extremely convincing, and was thus released with fanfare. Within hours, they knew that they had not only made a mistake, but a massive mistake that could land them all in prison. The forger was so incompetent that he/she didn't even flatten the image thus compressing and masking the component layers before posting it. And that was just the tip of the iceberg of glaring flaws and errors. The mainstream press was, so far, completely complicit in the cover-up of the forgery, but Rathergate proved that if the forgery debunking generated any mainstream traction whatsoever, the end could come swiftly.

The Obama regime needed a big distraction and they needed it fast. They had been planning on holding the staged Bin Laden capture and killing until 2012 ­ for the thick of the campaign, and perhaps as an "October Surprise", but it would have to be moved up to now.

May 2, 2011: The Bin Laden operation occurs. In all likelihood, a low-to-mid level Taliban or insurgent leader is killed.

May 3, 2011: Within hours, Vice President Joe Biden destroys any notions of OPSEC and bellows to the entire world in public remarks at a dinner at the Ritz Carlton that the Bin Laden raid was carried out by "the SEALS". Within hours Obama regime had gleefully leaked that the raid was carried out by "SEAL Team 6", also known as DEVGRU. Up until this point in history, all DEVGRU activities and information had been highly classified. Now the term "SEAL Team 6" was blasted across every newspaper in the world, with Disney even moving to trademark the name. The Obama regime wanted the ENTIRE WORLD to know the name "SEAL Team 6".

May 5, 2011: As I said earlier, I conversed with retired military contact with spook contacts regarding the obvious theatrics of the Bin Laden episode and the need for a cover-up by the Obama regime. The conversation ended with the following exchange:

Ann: I'm on the US Military casualty email list. It would be NO PROBLEM to "hide" casualties. It's a steady stream out of Afghanistan.

Contact: look for training accidents in the eastern mountains.

May 6, 2011: Obama travels to Ft. Campbell, KY to openly "meet and congratulate" SEAL Team 6 members. This receives huge press coverage, and the press declares the incident "a huge boost [for Obama] going into 2012."

The Execution of SEAL Team Six (Part 2)

Posted by Ann Barnhard

August 6, AD 2011

August 6, 2011: A Chinook helo is shot down in Tangi, Wardak Province, Afghanistan. Within hours, before family notifications could possibly have been completed, global press accounts positively confirm that 22 of the 30 Americans killed were not just SEALS, but members of SEAL Team 6. Again, DEVGRU operations have been, up until now, highly classified. Today, the Obama regime made a point of immediately revealing the unit identities of the SPECOPS forces among the dead.

In the past, DEVGRU men and other SPECOPS men have been killed in action, but their missions were so secret and so crucial to OPSEC that their deaths were covered-up by the government and attributed to such things as "training accidents" and the like ­ and I have no problem with that. These men understand going in to intense units such as DEVGRU that OPSEC is paramount, that they will never be publicly acknowledged for their heroism, and that if they are killed or captured in action, the government will lie about that in order to protect OPSEC and to prevent the enemy from gaining a propaganda and morale coup. Compare that reality with what happened today. The Obama regime distributed this information, and the Obama regime's lapdog press instantly splashed headlines declaring this as the Taliban's "REVENGE" for the "death of Bin Laden." As I write this now, the Drudge Report headline in bright red reads, "REVENGE: SEALS WHO GOT OSAMA KILLED IN AFGHANISTAN."

I'll say what everyone else is thinking but is too scared to say. The Obama regime is almost certainly directly complicit in these deaths. The time, location and most especially, the PASSENGERS in the Chinook were passed to the Taliban. Additionally, you can't take out a Chinook with small arms fire or even standard RPGs such as the Taliban use. The Taliban needed serious weaponry to take this helo down, and that serious weaponry needed to be in exactly the right spot at exactly the right time, ready to fire.

Why would the Obama regime kill Americans? I think the question is, why WOULDN'T the Obama regime kill Americans? The Obama regime is composed of Marxist-Leninist psychopaths. A glancing, superficial survey of 20th century history shows one glaring fact above all others: MARXISTS MURDER PEOPLE WITHOUT COMPUNCTION. Marxists also hate Americans, by definition. Three tacks:

1. The men on board the Chinook may have been the same men who participated or had direct knowledge of the staged Bin Laden raid and were killed to permanently silence them. See my email exchange of May 5 above.

2. These DEVGRU men were killed to send a signal to the surviving DEVGRU men who carried out the Bin Laden raid to keep their mouths shut.

3. Certainly, the release of the unit identity of the dead within hours ­ before even family notification could have been made (which requires an IN PERSON visit to the family, remember) was an obvious bow to Al Qaeda, the Taliban and the entire muslim world. This event was INSTANTLY propagandized by the Obama media as "revenge" exacted for Bin Laden's death. And remember, Bin Laden has been dead for many years. The raid of May 2 was pure stagecraft to distract the world from the release of the forged Obama birth certificate.

I am not a conspiracy theorist. I can't stand Alex Jones or any 9/11 truther. I have turned down dozens of interviews with such types. In fact, I am a huge believer in the Lex Parsimoniae, which is sometimes called "Occam's Razor", which states that the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one. I teach this as part of my job, namely that the cattle markets are neither manipulated nor impossible to operate within at a profit. The reality is that the cattle industry participants do not make money because they are functionally incompetent. It is very, very simple. True conspiracies are very rare.

This entire Obama situation is a conspiracy, and I say that without the slightest hesitation. Obama is not a citizen of the United States, he is a puppet front for a cabal of Marxist-Leninsts including Soros, Ayers, Dohrn, Strong, Jarrett and many, many others. These people are enemies of the United States. These people are deeply psychologically damaged, and are capable of ordering people murdered in order to protect themselves and increase their own power. The three dead homosexual black men from Trinity United Church of Christ, Young, Bland and Spencer, all of whom were sexually linked to Barack Obama, were probably the first people specifically murdered by the Obama regime. The hundreds of Mexicans and the two American agents Terry and Zapata were murdered by Operation Fast and Furious in order to advance and increase the power of the Obama regime. These SEALS and the others on board that Chinook today were almost certainly betrayed and murdered by the Obama regime.

Why did the Obama regime immediately reveal the unit identity of the SPECOPS forces involved in the first place, despite the fact that DEVGRU was highly classified? Why was the personnel composition of the Chinook released IMMEDIATELY today after the helo went down ­ before even family notifications could be made? WHY? Why would you hand your enemy, Al Qaeda and the Taliban, a massive propaganda coup? WHY?

I'll tell you why. Because the Obama regime IS THE ENEMY. They are Marxist tyrants who hold the lives of Americans not just cheap, but in scathing contempt. They will say anything, they will do anything, and they will murder ANYONE in order to protect themselves and consolidate and increase their power. Please, I beg you, for the love of God and all that is good in this world, read the history of the Soviet Union. Read about Lenin and Stalin and how they murdered people without any hesitation. Read about how Hitler was constantly ordering the murder of his own officers. Read about Communist China. Read about Mao and the millions upon tens of millions of murders he ordered. Read about the killing fields of the Communist Khmer Rouge in Cambodia led by Pol Pot. PLEASE. Marxists MURDER PEOPLE. That is what they do. The Obama regime is MARXIST to the bone. If the Obama regime is not stopped, the 30 Americans murdered today in Afghanistan will be just the beginning. I promise you that.

Here, again, is the clip of Larry Grathwohl, who infiltrated the Weather Underground Marxist terrorist organization in the 1970s. The Weather Underground was founded by Obama's political godfather, communist mentor (along with Frank Marshall Davis), murderer, and ghostwriter of "Dreams From My Father", Bill Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn. In this interview, taped in 1980 while Obama was still just an unknown undergrad foreign scholarship student at Occidental College, Grathwohl describes the leadership of the Weather Underground (which is Ayers and Dohrn) discussing what will be done with the "unreformable, diehard capitalists" once they have overthrown the government of the United States. The answer is extermination in camps in the Southwest. The estimated total that would need to be killed? 25 million, which was 10% of the population at the time. Ayers & Dohrn already have overthrown the government of the United States via their puppet protégé, Barack Obama. They have guaranteed that the economy will collapse. The only thing left for them to do is suspend the Constitution and open the camps.

"Democracy is two wolves deciding what to eat for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." -Thomas Jefferson-


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: binladen; chat; sealteam6
I'm just presenting this because it's an interesting speculation that will likely never be proven true. It is an interesting read, however.
1 posted on 08/19/2011 6:18:21 AM PDT by econjack
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To: econjack

for later...


2 posted on 08/19/2011 6:22:14 AM PDT by corlorde (NH)
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To: econjack

This is total b.s.


3 posted on 08/19/2011 6:27:46 AM PDT by GRANGER
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To: econjack

Have we had the report on the crash? Dis they determine that the explosion came from outside the copter?


4 posted on 08/19/2011 6:27:53 AM PDT by ken5050 (Should Christie RUN in 2012? NO! But he should WALK 3 miles every day..)
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To: econjack

Have we had the report on the crash? Did they determine that the explosion came from outside the copter?


5 posted on 08/19/2011 6:28:01 AM PDT by ken5050 (Should Christie RUN in 2012? NO! But he should WALK 3 miles every day..)
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To: econjack

Not saying he’s alive or died earlier...just wondering about the official timeline:

Using EST, If the helicopters arrived at 4pm and the firefight lasted 40 minutes, its safe to say the body was probably not photographed, bagged, and in the air until 5pm at the earliest.

8 hours later its on a ship in the North Arabian Sea getting prepped to be dumped overboard?

During those 8 hours, according to the media, the body is flown by helicopter Northwest into Afghanistan some 200+ miles, it lands, they take out the body, they do DNA testing and facial recognition. They rebag the body, reload it back into another helicopter, and fly 1000 miles to a US ship in the North Arabian Sea. All in 8 hours?

All in 8 hours?

Is it really tinfoil hat stuff to question an 8 hour timeline?


6 posted on 08/19/2011 6:30:15 AM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: GRANGER
This is total b.s.

Really?

Show me the birth certificate that was not doctored. Show me the picture of the dead Bin Laden.

This theory is as good as anything that has come out from the WH.

Remember we ARE dealing with Marxists here. They lie and they murder.

She may be wrong in some of her theories, but she is probably closer to the truth than any of us are willing to admit to ourselves.

7 posted on 08/19/2011 6:37:10 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: econjack

Bookmarking, thanks.


8 posted on 08/19/2011 6:37:17 AM PDT by alicewonders
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To: econjack

I’m not certain that there is any truth in the article, but it wouldn’t be the first time a Marxist government killed its own to cover up information.


9 posted on 08/19/2011 6:37:55 AM PDT by Big_Harry (Ecc10:2 "A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left")
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To: GRANGER
This is total b.s.

I sure as hell hope it is, but I don't trust Obozo as far as I can throw him. The BC fiasco just really makes me wonder how true things are and why the MSM take up all kinds of stories that are pro-Obozo and anything that is anti-conservative. Things just seem to tightly packaged right now.

10 posted on 08/19/2011 6:39:02 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are dumber than soup.)
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To: Big_Harry
I’m not certain that there is any truth in the article, but it wouldn’t be the first time a Marxist government killed its own to cover up information.

Agree. They also do things to create distractions - with Obama's ratings in the tank, and the terrible economic news right now - I think we may be in for some kind of terrible "event" that will serve to "distract" and take the news coverage away from America's increasing unhappiness with Obama.

The whole Bin Laden thing just stinks to high heaven.

11 posted on 08/19/2011 6:42:46 AM PDT by alicewonders
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To: econjack

Thanks for posting this. I bookmarked it last week but should have posted it myself. BTW, the New Yorker article by Schmidle appeared in this week’s magazine—not August 1st. By virtue of the swindle the media and the Democrats pulled on America in 2008, nothing, absolutely nothing, is beyond the pale for these traitors.


12 posted on 08/19/2011 6:43:17 AM PDT by Misterioso (The worst law is better than bureaucratic tyranny. (Ludwig von Mises)
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To: P-Marlowe; All

most of it IS B.S.
but there are a lot of things that DON’T fit Occam’s Razor, about OBL.
it has been many years, since any ireffutable prove he was alive. and he WAS on dialysis before 9/11.

if it’s true there was no dialysis equipment,
in a house that he NEVER LEFT for months...

“Bin Laden had been on dialysis BEFORE 9/11. Dialysis is difficult enough for people in first world countries who can have it done in outstanding facilities. Bin Laden was having it done either in caves or in homes post 9/11. People in renal failure having dialysis done in fricking caves do NOT live for ten more years. Period. There was no dialysis equipment found in the compound the SEALS raided on May “


13 posted on 08/19/2011 6:51:45 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: alicewonders
Out of curiosity, I just visited the Barnhardt.biz site and excerpted this out of the lead article: (highlights mine)

"B.) Moody's and Fitch need to back S&P's play - and should have done so right from the beginning - and downgrade the U.S. too. Goodness knows a downgrade is more than warranted. These ratings outfits need to stick together. But, I have no idea if someone high-up in Moody's or Fitch is in bed with the Obama regime. It is all so corrupt and incestuous that it would be naive to assume that they are honest. BUT, they need to wise up and realize that Marxists have no sense of loyalty and will turn on them in a heartbeat when it suits their cause. With Marxists, it is kill or be killed. Just ask the 61 million Soviets or the 85 million Chinese that were murdered by their Marxist governments."

14 posted on 08/19/2011 6:52:52 AM PDT by Big_Harry (Ecc10:2 "A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left")
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To: econjack
The best point made by this writer is regarding OBL's medical condition. I had heard about his reliance on dialysis machines immediately following 9/11.

Kidneys do NOT 'get better'. How could he have lasted another 10 years in relatively primative conditions?

15 posted on 08/19/2011 6:54:10 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: P-Marlowe

This man and his people lie with such natural ease, and such delight, it’s only prudent to assume that nothing is as he says it is.

That goes double for the bin Laden “raid” story.


16 posted on 08/19/2011 6:55:56 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Misterioso

New Yorker article referenced here:

http://tinyurl.com/3dz2pl3


17 posted on 08/19/2011 6:58:11 AM PDT by Misterioso (The worst law is better than bureaucratic tyranny. (Ludwig von Mises)
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To: econjack

bookmarked.


18 posted on 08/19/2011 7:06:46 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Land of the free my @ss)
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To: skeeter

The intelligence community claims that his ‘reliance on dialysis’ was a myth.


19 posted on 08/19/2011 7:11:36 AM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: GRANGER

“This is total b.s.”

Dismissive, but unsubstantiated answers like yours are the true total b.s.

It would certainly elevate your own b.s. rating to explain why you think this, and to give a plausible explanation of the points presented by the author.


20 posted on 08/19/2011 7:22:48 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: icwhatudo
reload it back into another helicopter, and fly 1000 miles to a US ship in the North Arabian Sea. All in 8 hours?

MV-22s fly much faster than a helicopter so the distance/timeframe is very plausible.

21 posted on 08/19/2011 7:40:12 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: GRANGER

Which part or parts are total b.s., and why do you think so?


22 posted on 08/19/2011 7:46:48 AM PDT by Piranha (If you seek perfection you will end up with Democrats.)
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To: P-Marlowe
...It's always a distraction...
23 posted on 08/19/2011 7:49:12 AM PDT by gargoyle (...This looks like a good fight, deal me in...)
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To: econjack
Very interesting post, Thanks.
I have also had some serious speculation about the "OBL Raid" and its veracity.
Some simple facts:
1) OBLs' kidney problems were well documented. Stories and pics from the time he spent in caves told of finding the remains of his medicines and treatment equipment.
2) SPECOP personnel and group identity is never released in public AA reports. NEVER. Family, or listed next-of-kin/contact in the event of are told "training accident" or "death at sea, body could not be recovered." SOP. Mission critical info is not released.
3) Why was the Chinook a NG copter? Why not a 160th SOAR? This is a very significant detail. Also, leaked details tell of helo having been on the ground for as long as an hour. It was hit upon take-off. Time enough for the terrs to arrive and get into firing position.


Occams Razor...I do not follow 'conspiracy' theories, but sometimes they are true.
24 posted on 08/19/2011 8:07:19 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: Flightdeck

interesting. i’ve never seen that before.
when did this come out?


25 posted on 08/19/2011 8:15:42 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: econjack
soetoro is the last person I would trust with regard to the truth of any of this. And then I´d still say he´s lying.
26 posted on 08/19/2011 8:23:43 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug
Absolutely agree, he is definitely the sharpest tongued liar I have ever seen.
MR>TRANSPARENCY.... The night this *raid* happened and we waited for the big announcement by the usurper at least 45 min, (he loves to keep us waiting) Then before I turned TV off, maybe midnight(?)we were told that this raid and murder had taken place LAST WEEK and it had taken 1 week to do the DNA etc (which makes more sense, if it were true)That we were not told until they were absolutely able to determine it was for sure OBL. I was shocked to awaken to the new and revised news that it really had happened that night. HUM, makes one wonder from the start. Then the Bogus BC was put out and most people moved on, back into the comfort zone, OBL was dead,bo was legit,Trump was an ass and Corsi’s book was discredited.
I am with those who believe he died 9 yrs ago, it was announced in the middle East by at least 2 leaders and most never heard the story then, so to believe this victory by bo was the choice they were given.
The writer here also went on to point out more oddities. The Top Secrecy that always and necessarily follows what Spec Op Teams do is, and always has been, TOP Secret. The details right down to the Team Number was very unusual.
The story as it was released kept changing. I have still not seen a reliable story.
Then the crash, or shoot-down of the CG Copter carrying a number of Seals , that doesn't happen, they travel in small numbers, that it was a CG instead of a more battle resistant Chanook, just happened to be members of Seal Team 6? Just too many unusual , unverifiable news releases. It was shot down, it crashed,it blew up on ground. We will never know. Then miracles began, we shot the shooter, we learned who he was and got him. Right. Thought we still did not know how the crash happened, but we got the shooter.

27 posted on 08/19/2011 9:19:56 AM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who d("on’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: econjack; Misterioso; MestaMachine
[Article from Misterioso's link]

The Schmidle Muddle of the Osama Bin Laden Take Down

by Joshua Foust on 8/4/2011 · 151 comments

A special guest post by C. Christine Fair

On Monday, August 1, the New Yorker ran a piece by Nicholas Schmidle, a young freelance journalist, which proffered a breathtakingly detailed account of the Bin Laden Take-down in May of 2011. I have known Schmidle since the summer of 2006, when we met at my office at the United States Institute of Peace. He explained that he had a fellowship from the Institute of Current World Affairs that would allow him to live in Pakistan and write about his experiences for two years.

Mr. Schmidle had one serious problem: he was not an accredited journalist, which meant the Pakistani government was disinclined to give him a journalism visa. He sought my advice. I explained to him that visa issues are not my bailiwick but I outlined some of the key issues he could consider if and when he sets out upon his newfound adventure. Though he didn’t know much about Pakistan, Mr. Schmidle struck me as a fast study.

In the end, Dr. Shireen Mazari (an outspoken, anti-American polemicist) agreed to host Mr. Schmidle at the think-tank she ran at the time. However, it was a bargain with the devil: he still was not a journalist and he got his visa at the behest of a dubious shill for Pakistan’s intelligence agency.

Over the next few years, I watched Mr. Schmidle’s reporting. He had an eye for the key issues and he covered many important stories that others overlooked. I met him episodically in Islamabad when I came to Pakistan. In January 2008, Mr. Schmidle published a piece in the New York Times Magazine called the “Next-Gen Taliban.” In that article, he ventured into Quetta to attend an opening ceremony for the campaign office of the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI), which he described in anodyne terms as a “a hard-line Islamist party.”

Mr. Schmidle wrote that the men in attendance mostly spoke Pashto but “knowing Urdu, I could understand enough [of their Pashto] to realize that they weren’t rehashing the typical J.U.I. rhetoric.” That made the rest of the article immediately suspect. I knew Mr. Schmidle, and knew that his language skills in Urdu were functional at best and, even if he had superb Urdu skills (and he did not), this would not render Pashto comprehensible in the slightest. (It is not an Indo-Aryan language like Urdu and therefore has a grammar and syntax that is starkly different from Urdu.) While one may recognize some Urdu words, without grammar and syntax the content of the discussion would have been opaque to Mr. Schmidle. Indeed, Pakistanis who have spent their entire life in the country speaking Urdu cannot understand Pashto and would never make the absurd claim to do so. How could Mr. Schmidle understand, must less interpret, what was going on without knowledge of Pashto or a translator? It seemed to me that things were not as they were reported.

I had a similar feeling this week when I began perusing Mr. Schmidle’s account of the Bin Laden raid. The account was deeply detailed. He described how the commander of the team, whom he called James “sat on the floor, squeezed among ten other SEALs, Ahmed [the translator], and Cairo [the malimois]. (The names of all the covert operators mentioned in this story have been changed.) James, a broad-chested man in his late thirties, does not have the lithe swimmer’s frame that one might expect of a SEAL—he is built more like a discus thrower.”

Schmidle detailed “James’” apparel and personal effects: he was sporting “a shirt and trousers in Desert Digital Camouflage, [carrying] a silenced Sig Sauer P226 pistol, along with extra ammunition; a CamelBak, for hydration; and gel shots, for endurance. He held a short-barrel, silenced M4 rifle.” He even inventoried the contents of this fellow’s pockets.

Mr. Schmidle then recalls, in riveting detail, the harrowing movements of the helicopters and how “the interior of the Black Hawks rustled alive with the metallic cough of rounds being chambered.” When the first helicopter encountered problems, Schmidle exposits how the pilot reoptimized his plans and aimed for “for an animal pen in the western section of the compound.” He next tells his readers how the SEALs in the ill-fated bird “braced themselves as the tail rotor swung around, scraping the security wall. The pilot jammed the nose forward to drive it into the dirt and prevent his aircraft from rolling onto its side. Cows, chickens, and rabbits scurried.”

He even describes how the translator Ahmed hollered in Pashto at the locals that a security operation was ongoing to allay their suspicions about the nature of the cacophony in the cantonment town. (This detail caught my eye as the majority of persons in Abbottabad, where the raid took place, speak Hindko rather than Pashto.) He account is replete with quotes and other minute details obtained from persons seemingly involved directly in the assault and presumably speaking to him in person.

The article was in fact so detailed that it left the unmistakable impression that Mr. Schmidle had interviewed at least a few of the SEALs involved in the raid. During an NPR interview, Steve Inskeep explains that indeed Schmidle had spent time with the SEALs who were on the mission to get Bin Laden. NPR subsequently issued a correction for reasons noted below.

If not Navy SEALS, then perhaps he met some Navy Otters?

All of this makes for a gripping read. Too gripping I thought to myself. As it turned out, there is one very serious problem with Mr. Schmidle’s account: Schmidle never met any of the SEALs involved, as reported (with great tact and restraint) by Paul Farhi on August 3.

Farhi reached the same conclusion as I had: “a casual reader of the article wouldn’t know that [he had not interviewed the SEALS]; neither the article nor an editor’s note describes the sourcing for parts of the story. Schmidle, in fact, piles up so many details about some of the men, such as their thoughts at various times, that the article leaves a strong impression that he spoke with them directly.”

Surely a journalist or an editor with a commitment to informing—rather than amusing—a public would understand that disclosing this simple fact is critical to allowing readers to determine how much credibility they should put into this account. In the absence of such disclosure, we are left asking whether this was second or third-hand information? Who are the people that he spoke to and how credible is their information?

Such an egregious exercise of incaution raises a number of questions about the entire report.

Schmidle has demurred from tackling this serious issue of credibility, integrity and veracity directly. During a “live chat” with Mr. Schmidle on the New Yorker’s website yesterday, several persons including myself tried to ask Mr.Schmidle to explain this egregious oversight. (I posed the question four times throughout the course of the “live chat.” The moderator did not post a single one. (Earlier in the day, Schmidle and I exchanged emails wherein I expressed my dismay at his reportage.)

Many of us were following this in real time via twitter. I was not alone: others—including other journalists—tried to ask other tough questions but the moderator did not post them either. I also tried to post a comment to this effect along with other readers’ comments. That comment has not yet been posted.

Finally, after a volley of fatuous queries to which Schmidle responded with a peculiar degree of detail, the moderator finally let one person raise the issue that he neither met any of the SEALS involved nor indicated as much in his report.

Unfortunately for the credibility of this exercise, this person was Erin Simpson—a friend of Mr. Schmidle. Ms. Simpson had earlier defended him during a twitter exchange with me wherein she responded to my vexed queries that “he’s a good friend.” She further intimated that someone involved in the operation may have spoken to him because he is a “GO’s kid.” The latter point references the fact that his father, Marine Corps Lt. Gen. Robert E. Schmidle Jr., is the deputy commander of the U.S. Cyber Command.

Schmidle answers Ms. Simpson in a familiar voice: “Hi Erin. Good question. I’ll just say that the 23 SEALs on the mission that evening were not the only ones who were listening to their radio communications.”

The response was risible and hardly addressed how he could have acquired such details of the operation through such means.

That the moderator passed on only softball questions and that this one question was posed by a “close friend,” raises more questions than the “live chat” could have answered.

What’s at Stake?

One may ask at first blush why a feel-good story about the Bin Laden raid is problematic or even merits sustained critique. From an American point of view, the story reads like the film script Schmidle may well aspire to write. It confirms all that we wanted to know about the raid and the bravado of our SEALS. The shooter, who finally killed Bin Laden, even managed to mutter “For God and Country” in the femtoseconds that his synapses took to pull the trigger, according to Schmidle.

However, there are implications that go well beyond Mr. Schmidle’s limits of journalism integrity and his own personal aggrandizement and professional aspirations.

First, many Muslims across the world fundamentally doubt the events of the Bin Laden raid. Some believe Bin Laden is still alive. Others believe he died long ago. Others believe that the events of May 2 were staged to allow the Obama administration to make an exit from Afghanistan. As Mr. Schmidle’s is the first (and so far only) account of the drama, these problems cast a pale of doubt upon the events that transpired that evening.

Second is the simple fact of Mr. Schmidle parentage. His father, as noted above, is the deputy commander of the U.S. Cyber Command. Given the conspiratorial propensities of many within and beyond the Muslim world, Schmidle’s ties to this organization by virtue of his father would recast any serious inaccuracy in his report as a U.S. military psychological operation to deliberately misinform the world about the operation.

The reasons for this are at least two-fold. First is the charge of U.S. Cyber Command itself, which in it the lexicon of the U.S. Department of Defense is “pulling together existing cyberspace resources, creating synergy that does not currently exist and synchronizing war-fighting effects to defend the information security environment.” While the organization appears dedicated to protecting cyber infrastructure, others may interpret its role as using cyberspace to spread disinformation. Second, cynics may justifiably wonder what influence if any his father had in the article. Schmidle explains this to Farhi “’He knew I was working on it,’ the younger Schmidle says, ‘but we both decided it was best not to discuss it in advance. We wanted to maintain distinct lines of operation.’” I have no reason to not believe this. However, given that questions that now hover about his report will other readers be so inclined?

Finally, whether or not the shooter actually said “For God and For Country” is another important question that affects the way in which the United States and is citizenry are seen across the world. The conflict with Bin Laden has been waged in lamentably civilizational terms focusing upon the clash of Islam and the presumably non-Islamic west. Since 9/11, countries with Muslim minorities have been gripped by Islamophobia with some states outlying headscarves and minarets and others seeking to restrict the erection of new mosques. Anti-immigration concerns in Europe are thinly disguised efforts to deter future Muslims from migrating. Success in the war of terrorism seems to be equated with success in turning back the spread of Islam. Several states in the United States have even introduced ludicrous and shameful bills to outlaw Sharia.

How would a proclamation that Bin Laden was killed “for God and for country” be read in a place like Pakistan where the war on terror has been largely seen as a war on Islam and Muslims? If this was in fact uttered, as an American, I am saddened that eliminating the world’s most notorious killer was done “for God” first and country second. If it wasn’t uttered, such a gratuitous detail hardly helps the United States make its case that it opposes terrorists not Muslims.

A Story Too Good to Check?

Whether Americans and our allies like it or not, Pakistan and Pakistan’s populations are critical to U.S. interests. This will be true for the foreseeable future. Journalists have an important function: informing our publics. Journalists’ reportage shapes how Americans see their country abroad and understand the countries with which the United States engages. It shapes our support for war, for foreign aid, for particular bilateral relations. The U.S. experience with the Iraq war illustrates the extreme limits of how a supine and incompetent press became the vehicle to mobilize an angry public for an ill-conceived and unjustifiable war of choice. The United States will long pay the price for strategic error.

Journalists have an equally important, if less appreciated, role in shaping how the outside world sees us. With the internet, the entire world reads our press, watches our television and hears our radio broadcasts. Media hype and hysteria, xenophobia, Islamophobia and more quotidian issues of inaccuracy and incaution with handling sensitive pieces of information are for the whole world to see and to judge us.

With stakes this high, should not the standards of journalistic integrity be even higher? I should think yes. The New Yorker should immediately right this wrong by publishing an editor’s note disclosing the simple fact that he never interviewed the SEALS in involved in the raid.

C. Christine Fair is an assistant professor at Georgetown University and the author of Cuisines of the Axis of Evil and Other Irritating States.

Source of article mentioned by Misterioso in post 12 & 17.

Thanks for providing the link, Misterioso. This raises new questions. From her references to "islamophobia," it is obvious that the author is hardly what we would call a conservative.

Below is the only related thread I found on FR (linking to a BigPeace article) that mentions your link. It was posted early in the evening on a Saturday and didn't get much attention.

Is The New Yorker’s Navy SEAL Cover Story Fake?


28 posted on 08/19/2011 9:20:28 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: P-Marlowe

I’m going to read this later also but I had the same thoughts about the whole Bin Lauden bull story.


29 posted on 08/19/2011 9:24:47 AM PDT by angcat (RUN SARAH RUN!)
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To: econjack

Throw in the fact that they’re making a movie about it to release in time for the election.


30 posted on 08/19/2011 9:25:19 AM PDT by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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To: econjack
Is there a link directly to this article. I can't seem to find it with the link you posted. I want to put this on my facebook page.
31 posted on 08/19/2011 9:37:44 AM PDT by angcat (RUN SARAH RUN!)
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To: angcat

It appears it’s been pulled.


32 posted on 08/19/2011 9:42:08 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are dumber than soup.)
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To: econjack

No kidding?


33 posted on 08/19/2011 9:45:11 AM PDT by angcat (RUN SARAH RUN!)
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To: angcat

http://barnhardt.biz/

Scroll down to almost halfway, it starts there and has several more days too.


34 posted on 08/19/2011 10:17:00 AM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who d("on’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: econjack

Interesting article.

Dunno if Obama is that dumb, but Spec Ops guys are very sharp. If he had a number of their buddies killed in a chopper crash, they will figure it out.

If this article is true, then Obama has made a humongous blunder. The Spec Ops boys are not to f***** with!


35 posted on 08/19/2011 10:35:17 AM PDT by darth
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To: econjack

What a stupid bunch of nonsense.


36 posted on 08/19/2011 12:36:24 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: ansel12
What a stupid bunch of nonsense.

Like I said before, I hope you're right. In the meantime, which part do you know for certain is false?

37 posted on 08/19/2011 1:35:05 PM PDT by econjack (Some people are dumber than soup.)
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To: econjack

This writer’s nonsense is too silly and far too goofy to get involved with, if you want to see some sane statements related to the helicopter crash, then look up the threads and read my posts.


38 posted on 08/19/2011 2:21:13 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: econjack

“which part do you know for certain is false?”

If I said Obama was an alien intelligence, could you prove I was wrong? Sorry, the burden of proof is on the person making the outrageous (and in this case, technically treasonous) claims. And this author hasn’t proved bunk.


39 posted on 08/19/2011 2:48:07 PM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: Flightdeck
The Seal issue is speculation...agreed. The BC is fact. That balance...who knows? It seems far too risky to me for Obozo to try such a thing, bur, he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, eitehr.
40 posted on 08/19/2011 3:46:37 PM PDT by econjack (Some people are dumber than soup.)
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To: econjack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fega1aM-ax8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Tom Trento - Seal Team 6 - very interesting.

“Who the hell released the information?.....”


41 posted on 08/19/2011 4:22:22 PM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who d("on’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: thouworm

I think this story is very big. US troops were sacrificed to help Obama’s reelection. How ghastly is that?


42 posted on 08/19/2011 5:07:52 PM PDT by Misterioso (The worst law is better than bureaucratic tyranny. (Ludwig von Mises)
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To: Flightdeck

Treason? Whose? The writer’s or the administration’s? It’s perfectly proper to discuss evidence that points to skullduggery. Where do you get off judging people who can do it? Too smug.


43 posted on 08/19/2011 5:21:37 PM PDT by Misterioso (The worst law is better than bureaucratic tyranny. (Ludwig von Mises)
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To: Misterioso

And the Movie is set to be released in the fall right before elections! Total disrespect and wanton disregard for anything sacred in OUR country. Maybe he will just decide to stay in Martha’s Vineyard.


44 posted on 08/19/2011 6:54:08 PM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who d("on’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: econjack

Placemark.


45 posted on 08/19/2011 9:29:03 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: stylecouncilor; windcliff

Interesting ping....


46 posted on 08/20/2011 1:01:03 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Misterioso
It’s perfectly proper to discuss evidence that points to skullduggery. Where do you get off judging people who can do it? Too smug.

Evidence? What evidence? This author is the kind of person that libs point to and claim conservatives are schizo conspiracy crazies. And I'll judge whatever the hell I want to. If you don't like it, take a hike.
47 posted on 08/21/2011 7:35:02 PM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: econjack

NEW YORK, Aug. 31, 2011 /PRNewswire/ — HISTORY will take viewers inside the dedicated effort to hunt and kill Osama Bin Laden in TARGETING BIN LADEN. This two-hour special event premieres on Tuesday, September 6 at 8pm ET featuring exclusive interviews with President Barack Obama and other senior aides. The announcement was made today by Nancy Dubuc, President and General Manager, HISTORY.


48 posted on 08/31/2011 6:06:31 AM PDT by Broker ( Perry .. Get ready to rumble.)
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