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Rick Perry Wanted Bi-National Health Insurance With Mexico
Right Speak ^ | 8/28/2011 | Right Wingnut

Posted on 08/27/2011 10:53:16 PM PDT by Right Wingnut 2

I just read the text of Rick Perry's remarks to the Border Summit on Aug, 21st 2001. How in the hell is this stuff slipping through the cracks without a single mention in the conservative press? If this had been Obama, Sean Hannity would have been talking about it 24/7 during the last presidential campaign.

There are many passages in the speech that are of great concern to me, but this one really caught my attention.

...Legislation authored by border legislators Pat Haggerty and Eddie Lucio establishes an important study that will look at the feasibility of bi-national health insurance. This study recognizes that the Mexican and U.S. sides of the border compose one region, and we must address health care problems throughout that region. That’s why I am also excited that Texas Secretary of State Henry Cuellar is working on an initiative that could extend the benefits of telemedicine to individuals living on the Mexican side of the border....

Does Rick Perry still support an international health insurance program such as the one he laid out in his speech that day? Will someone in the media please ask him before it's too late?

You can read the entire text of Perry's speech HERE


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1 posted on 08/27/2011 10:53:19 PM PDT by Right Wingnut 2
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To: Right Wingnut 2

Nice try.


2 posted on 08/27/2011 11:17:22 PM PDT by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: Right Wingnut 2
I want him to answer that question too, I also want to know if he supports this idea...the Mexican and U.S. sides of the border compose one region because that truly disturbs me...I know he was talking about the people that did the study believing that- but he didn't say he didn't agree with it, did he?

I have a friend that closely follows politics and lives in Texas- he cannot believe how Perry is being hyped as being sooo conservative, he told me to really check him out because he thought we would be very disappointed when we know more about him...especially on the border issues.

3 posted on 08/27/2011 11:18:46 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Right Wingnut 2
Obviously you are reading a different speech than the one you posted.

He's talking about providing telemedicine (doctors consulting with Mexican doctors for sick Texans in Mexico), or to help diagnose outbreaks of diseases near the border before they erupt and infect our shores.

Oooooh! Scary stuff. How dare he be concerned about the border-related issues we're dealing with in our State. What a tyrant!

I'm soooo sick and tired of uninformed bloggers bashing Perry, in general, and Texas, in particular.

4 posted on 08/27/2011 11:18:59 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Rock you like a Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Right Wingnut 2
Oh. 2001. Well that is some definitive stuff. Perry is a Commie Pinkie on that alone. Let's skewer him. You know that was a different time. Here is Perry challenging the President on the tarmac about the border.

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5 posted on 08/27/2011 11:20:46 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Right Wingnut 2

I really don’t give a rat’s a**. I am NOT voting for Romney and Bachman is too weak over all. If Sarah doesn’t run, I will vote for Perry in the primary, if he wins the nomination then he gets my vote in the General.


6 posted on 08/27/2011 11:22:22 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Right Wingnut 2

THIS, I didn’t know. I’m actually shocked as to the extent of Perry’s disregard for American Sovereignty. And the US taxpayer can pay for Mexicans in Mexico, too - no problemo! Just goes to show that when the liberals get together for these summits, all manner of outrageousness ensues.

I knew he was bad, but this is above and beyond!


7 posted on 08/27/2011 11:23:04 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Boehner, you THUG B@st@rd!)
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To: TheWriterTX

Facts, context and timliness are out of the question with the bashers. If you expect more, save your breath. 2001. LOL. Their sources are all but dried up. Desperation breeds contempt and the evidence is all around us. Perry is bang on. Now, if we can just bump Romney to the cheap seats too.


8 posted on 08/27/2011 11:25:23 PM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick. Perry/Rubio '12)
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To: Right Wingnut 2

This was 10 years ago. He will be asked about it.


9 posted on 08/27/2011 11:26:42 PM PDT by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: Tammy8
A friend.

How about this? I LIVE in Texas. Have for years. Is Perry the quintessential ROCK STAR CONSERVATIVE?

No, he's not.

But I am disgusted with folks who don't know SHIT about our State bashing it with outright lies to promote their own agenda.

Texas is most definitely unique. We deal with a lot of stuff the "NOT-TEXAS" states don't have to. Border violence, gangs, drugs, mass immigration, legal border crossings, diseases coming up over the border, and more.

In SPITE of all this, we are still kicking ass and taking names, balancing our budget, running a ridiculously low debt to GDP ratio (and it another ignorant POS repeats the same lie about "Perry ran up the debt" it just tells me they don't know SQUAT about self-satisfying bonds or Texas law).

Why shouldn't our insurance be accepted for folks traveling into Mexico? Why SHOULDN'T Mexico help pick up the hospital tabs for the folks we treat here? Unless you prefer that TEXANS continue to pay the bill?

10 posted on 08/27/2011 11:27:37 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Rock you like a Herman Cain 2012)
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To: TheWriterTX

Perry’s words: “...Bi-National health insurance...”

Did you catch that part?


11 posted on 08/27/2011 11:27:58 PM PDT by Right Wingnut 2
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To: Lauren BaRecall
Dear Lauren:

Disregard? Are you serious?

Who do you think is picking up the tab now for Mexicans treated in Texas hopsitals? TEXANS ARE.

I know, it's a super crazy idea, completely wacko, to expect MEXICO to help pay for the medical bills of Mexicans. Ridiculous, huh?

12 posted on 08/27/2011 11:32:40 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Rock you like a Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Lazlo in PA

You posted a colorful photo fact about which the PB’s couldn’t care less. Perry Bashers. They are busy rooting deep and low looking for nit seeds. So far, it’s been hopeless.


13 posted on 08/27/2011 11:33:47 PM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick. Perry/Rubio '12)
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To: chesty_puller

If you know more about this, I wish you would share- I really am trying to find out more about Perry especially on the border issues. I realize all candidates have their fans and want to dish on others but I really want to be informed.


14 posted on 08/27/2011 11:35:53 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Right Wingnut 2
Yes, I did.

Did you catch the part about how Texans are already footing the bill to treat these people, and have been for years?

Oh, so getting Mexico to pay their fair share is too much to ask, huh?

15 posted on 08/27/2011 11:37:04 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Rock you like a Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Right Wingnut 2

The Rick Perry patrol will tell you that Rick Perry is he only candidate. So it doesn’t matter what his actions are. All the negatives against him, whether they’re videos/audio/ or transcripts of his own words are simply untrue smear tactics.

Don’t be a troll just submit! He’s the only Democrat that we can run against Obama.


16 posted on 08/27/2011 11:38:23 PM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: Right Wingnut 2

I tried to quickly research this, but whoever is spreading this crap clogged up google with it.....So I am assuming it is Ron Paul or Ronny spreading bs again

Reading the text, the bi-national sounds like a call for health insurance that would be good on either side of the border. It doesn’t say government .. and based on the people involved .. I believe it is private.

As you know, Mexico has no national health care system and most get health care through their work.

Based on the amount of effort in messing up Google, I would have to say this is definitely some kind of attack on Perry.


17 posted on 08/27/2011 11:38:32 PM PDT by dila813
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To: TheWriterTX

Perry: Border Wall Is “Ridiculous”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQqYf3lP0rY
Rick Perry: Border Fence is “Nonsense”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEHDDktDn8o
Rick Perry Doesn’t Support Border Fence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVehEBgFFSg
Rick Perry AGREES with Obama: Open Borders for America!
Rick Perry wants an ‘immigrant worker program!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwD84nKA5y0
Rick Perry want supports Obama regime and Janet Napalatono’s border defense strategy.

Vicente Fox Thanks Governor Perry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWLrI7RQetQ

Rick Perry supported the TARP BAILOUTS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3NNDLO7-AI

Fact Check: Rick Perry supported TARP bailout
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gU7-T0nxww

Rick Perry: shameless political thespian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we3mU0HBukY

TX Gov. Rick Perry said his Exec. Order on HPV vaccine for girls was because of his PRO-LIFE stance (WTF?! Is he serious?!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAk_ht8of9c

Rick Perry is Fine with Gay marriage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8-8K8nug9s

Rick Perry Tries to Get Out of Ticket - Texas State Trooper Dashcam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8CvXIY6mgk

Rick Perry: Suggests He’s A Prophet (This guy puts the UTZ in Nutz!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDpkGEpTPeA

Rick Perry Trans Texas Corridor Land Grab
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piJ6_eInM9M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSIZ2-1kLnY


18 posted on 08/27/2011 11:40:28 PM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: TheWriterTX; Right Wingnut 2

He is *also* talking about “bi-national health insurance.” Nice try.


19 posted on 08/27/2011 11:42:31 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Boehner, you THUG B@st@rd!)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

“THIS, I didn’t know. I’m actually shocked as to the extent of Perry’s disregard for American Sovereignty. And the US taxpayer can pay for Mexicans in Mexico, too - no problemo!”

Really? Where did you see “taxpayer” in this (other than the initial study to see if INSURANCE was feasible)? The study was designed to see if Texas companies could sell insurance in Mexico and get the Mexican government to pay for costs when their people visited here. There are thousands of people who cross the border legally every day to shop and work. This study had ZERO to do with illegals, medicare, medicaid, social security, or taxpayers.


20 posted on 08/27/2011 11:42:31 PM PDT by KingKongCobra
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To: calex59

He has my vote as well if Sarah doesn’t run. He’s the best of the lot out there right now - warts and all.


21 posted on 08/27/2011 11:43:07 PM PDT by Catsrus
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To: dila813

I didn’t need to search through the stuff being spread by the Paulians. I just went right to the original source...the full text of his speech.


22 posted on 08/27/2011 11:44:11 PM PDT by Right Wingnut 2
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To: dila813

The anti-Perry info war was geared up for real this week, with BHO himself calling on Texas democrats to start the dumps. Obama just has to use the dog whistle for everyone else. They have to get all hands on deck. Get popcorn.


23 posted on 08/27/2011 11:45:55 PM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick. Perry/Rubio '12)
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To: TheWriterTX; Right Wingnut 2

Actually I think that it’s you (WriterTX) that has the reading problem exactly how do you draw your conclusion?


24 posted on 08/27/2011 11:46:38 PM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: TheWriterTX

Most know this about me already but I will tell you I have not yet seen any candidate that is conservative enough for me on border issues. I know it is not likely there will be one...ever...but I am not one that will cut my own throat or my country’s throat by staying home or voting for some obscure candidate that cannot possibly win. I hold my nose and vote against the worst and have for many years. I just wish I could find someone to vote FOR instead of always voting against some liberal idiot. Since we are fairly early in the process I do want to know just how each candidate stands on the border issues. I realize there are many other important issues to consider but I live on the border so it is an important issue to me.


25 posted on 08/27/2011 11:48:41 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Tempest

Don’t you ever get tired of cut and paste?

FR really needs to get an IGNORE feature if you’re going to post the same shi-at to every thread.


26 posted on 08/27/2011 11:48:49 PM PDT by KingKongCobra
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To: TheWriterTX

AMEN.


27 posted on 08/27/2011 11:52:15 PM PDT by Hildy (Hollywood liberals once embraced Communism "because they hadn't invented Pilates yet"- David Mamet)
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To: TheWriterTX

AMEN.


28 posted on 08/27/2011 11:52:21 PM PDT by Hildy (Hollywood liberals once embraced Communism "because they hadn't invented Pilates yet"- David Mamet)
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To: TheWriterTX; Right Wingnut 2; South40
From the article

The fruits of NAFTA have just begun to ripen. At the same time, we must not allow the roots of the tree to become poisoned. The NAFTA agreement not only signaled a new era of economic possibility, but a new era of bi-national cooperation. That is why it is wrong, and inherently detrimental to our relationship with Mexico for the U.S. Congress to pursue a protectionist policy that forbids Mexican trucks from U.S. roadways. It is bad public policy, and it violates the terms of the NAFTA agreement we agreed to. Mexican trucks that meet our safety standards should be given the same access to U.S. roads as our Canadian neighbors to the north.

Mexico, too, must be vigilant in realizing its treaty obligations. For more than half a century, under the 1944 Water Treaty our two nations have cooperated so that the water needs of both countries are met. But as of late, Mexico is behind in delivering the water it has promised to the U.S. A Mexican judicial injunction now threatens the livelihood of our Rio Grande Valley farmers, and has become a source of contention between our two nations. It is time to end this dispute. I would ask that the Mexican government meet its obligation under the treaty, Texas growers are depending on it.

There are other challenges that require a unified approach, especially in the area of health care. A lack of preventative medicine means conditions that could have been eliminated through childhood immunizations show up in disturbing numbers later in life. Limited availability of medical specialists means conditions like heart disease and diabetes go untreated at alarming rates. In Texas, we recently placed a strong emphasis on preventative care when we expanded access to Medicaid for more low-income children by making the Medicaid enrollment process simpler. We allocated an additional $4 billion to the Medicaid program, and more than $900 million to the Children’s Health Insurance Program. I urged legislators to pass a telemedicine pilot program that will enable, through technology, a sick border resident of limited financial means to receive care from a specialist hundreds of miles away. But the effort to combat disease and illness requires greater cooperative efforts between our two nations. It is a simple truth that disease knows no boundaries. An outbreak of drug-resistant tuberculosis, for example, endangers citizens of both our nations. We have much to gain if we work together to expand preventative care, and treat maladies unique to this region.

Legislation authored by border legislators Pat Haggerty and Eddie Lucio establishes an important study that will look at the feasibility of bi-national health insurance. This study recognizes that the Mexican and U.S. sides of the border compose one region, and we must address health care problems throughout that region. That’s why I am also excited that Texas Secretary of State Henry Cuellar is working on an initiative that could extend the benefits of telemedicine to individuals living on the Mexican side of the border. As a compassionate state, we know that for our children to succeed, they must not only be healthy, but educated. The future leaders of our two nations are learning their fractions and their ABC’s in classrooms all along this border. Immigrants from around the world are being taught in Texas classrooms, and our history is rich with examples of new citizens who have made great contributions. We must say to every Texas child learning in a Texas classroom, “we don’t care where you come from, but where you are going, and we are going to do everything we can to help you get there.” And that vision must include the children of undocumented workers. That’s why Texas took the national lead in allowing such deserving young minds to attend a Texas college at a resident rate. Those young minds are a part of a new generation of leaders, the doors of higher education must be open to them. The message is simple: educacion es el futuro, y si se puede. We also know that poverty is not unique to either side of the border. Some of Texas’ poorest citizens live in colonias all along the border. They often lack basic infrastructure many of us take for granted. Just today, the North American Development Bank announced it will provide $6.3 million in funding to hook up colonia residents in six border cities to water and wastewater lines. More than 18,000 residents will benefit from these water or wastewater hookups. And this November, by approving Proposition 2, Texas voters can ensure that their neighbors in colonias have quality roads so that school buses, emergency vehicles and postal trucks can reach residents, and residents can get to a job or a school reliably.

President Fox’s vision for an open border is a vision I embrace, as long as we demonstrate the will to address the obstacles to it. An open border means poverty has given way to opportunity, and Mexico’s citizens do not feel compelled to cross the border to find that opportunity. It means we have addressed pollution concerns, made substantial progress in stopping the spread of disease, and rid our crossings of illicit drug smuggling activity. Clearly we have a long way to go in addressing those issues. At the same time we must continue to deepen our economic ties, expanding opportunities for Mexican and U.S. companies to do business on both sides of the border. The outlook is promising, even if the road to prosperity is a long one. We share a bond as neighbors, and we find our culture north of the Rio Grande to be increasingly defined by the strong traits of people of Hispanic descent. Texas has long enjoyed a unique identity, an identity forged by an independent spirit, and the convergence of many different peoples. We must welcome change in the 21st Century as we have in every century before it.

29 posted on 08/27/2011 11:54:59 PM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: Right Wingnut 2
Perry has been an open-borders advocate, pushing not only the infamous Trans Texas Corridor, but other insidious policies which would cost billions of dollars and worse.

From the speech:

That is why it is wrong, and inherently detrimental to our relationship with Mexico for the U.S. Congress to pursue a protectionist policy that forbids Mexican trucks from U.S. roadways.

We must say to every Texas child learning in a Texas classroom, “we don’t care where you come from, but where you are going, and we are going to do everything we can to help you get there.” And that vision must include the children of undocumented workers. That’s why Texas took the national lead in allowing such deserving young minds to attend a Texas college at a resident rate.

How many ways do American citizens have to say they absolutely do not want Mexican trucks rolling across the border? And yet, people like Perry keep trying to shove them down our throats.

And in what alternate universe is it just to allow illegal Mexicans to attend Texas colleges at a lower tuition than legal citizens from Louisiana or Oklahoma or Arkansas?

Perry thinks Texans will forget these unpopular policies, and that the rest of the country will never learn about them, or other dictatorial actions such as the Gardusil mandate.

Do not be swayed by Rick Perry's pretty face or phony posturing. Use your brains. Look at his record, read his words. I have, and I don't like what I see.

30 posted on 08/27/2011 11:55:26 PM PDT by giotto
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To: KingKongCobra

31 posted on 08/27/2011 11:57:08 PM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: Right Wingnut 2

You have some kind of problem with people freely exchanging their money for health insurance, regardless of where they live?


32 posted on 08/27/2011 11:57:58 PM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: TheWriterTX

Perry goes on to state his policy for the Texas taxpayer to foot the education bill for illegal aliens. I’m on the side of the Texas taxpayer. Perry is not. Advocating bi-*national* health insurance also shows he’s not on the side of the taxpayers in other states, as well. I, a NY taxpayer, do not want to be involved in his schemes, and yet, he wants to involve me.


33 posted on 08/27/2011 11:58:41 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Boehner, you THUG B@st@rd!)
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To: Tammy8
Dear Tammy:

Thanks for asking a respectful question. You're right to question, because Perry, Bush, and a lot of border State Governors all faced the same challenge:

How do you work with the Mexican Government (corrupt) to help combat crime, drugs, gangs, water issues, disease, and more, while you have the FedGov undermining you, self-appointed civil rights groups crawling up your behind every second of the day, and plenty of legal immigrants who want to bring their family members over.

Answer? You tread carefully. A lot of the "warm and fuzzy" stuff is pure politics, like Biden praising China, in the hopes of getting cooperation on issues of safety for Texans, because he knows the White House won't do squat about securing the borders. Unless and until the White House does, you won't see any border state Governors taking a hard line (except Jan Brewer, God bless her, because she had overwhelming crime stats to back it up and an irate population to support her).

Violence along the TX border has increased exponentially over the last few years; really getting out of hand. The worse it's gotten, the more strident Perry has become about securing the border and stopping the flow. A decade ago, it was more of the "touchy feely." The last few years, it's become a point of contention. Would I like to see a Jan Brewer law in Texas? You bet I would; I'm not particularly happy that he said it wouldn't work here. The Texas House went back and forth over one this session, but it didn't pass, even though Perry supported it.

Is he strong on border control? A few years ago, I would say no - definitely not. Does he realize it is now a national security issue? Yes, absolutely, I believe so. He was in the President's face over it, literally.

I realize this may not sway you, or even convince you that he's one way or the other, but I wanted to give you an absolutely honest opinion and let you decide for yourself.

I prefer the Herman Cain approach myself - Tall Fences and Open Arms. Enforce the existing laws. No amnesty!!

34 posted on 08/27/2011 11:59:02 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Rock you like a Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Tammy8
Dear Tammy:

Thanks for asking a respectful question. You're right to question, because Perry, Bush, and a lot of border State Governors all faced the same challenge:

How do you work with the Mexican Government (corrupt) to help combat crime, drugs, gangs, water issues, disease, and more, while you have the FedGov undermining you, self-appointed civil rights groups crawling up your behind every second of the day, and plenty of legal immigrants who want to bring their family members over.

Answer? You tread carefully. A lot of the "warm and fuzzy" stuff is pure politics, like Biden praising China, in the hopes of getting cooperation on issues of safety for Texans, because he knows the White House won't do squat about securing the borders. Unless and until the White House does, you won't see any border state Governors taking a hard line (except Jan Brewer, God bless her, because she had overwhelming crime stats to back it up and an irate population to support her).

Violence along the TX border has increased exponentially over the last few years; really getting out of hand. The worse it's gotten, the more strident Perry has become about securing the border and stopping the flow. A decade ago, it was more of the "touchy feely." The last few years, it's become a point of contention. Would I like to see a Jan Brewer law in Texas? You bet I would; I'm not particularly happy that he said it wouldn't work here. The Texas House went back and forth over one this session, but it didn't pass, even though Perry supported it.

Is he strong on border control? A few years ago, I would say no - definitely not. Does he realize it is now a national security issue? Yes, absolutely, I believe so. He was in the President's face over it, literally.

I realize this may not sway you, or even convince you that he's one way or the other, but I wanted to give you an absolutely honest opinion and let you decide for yourself.

I prefer the Herman Cain approach myself - Tall Fences and Open Arms. Enforce the existing laws. No amnesty!!

35 posted on 08/27/2011 11:59:07 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Rock you like a Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Tammy8
Dear Tammy:

Thanks for asking a respectful question. You're right to question, because Perry, Bush, and a lot of border State Governors all faced the same challenge:

How do you work with the Mexican Government (corrupt) to help combat crime, drugs, gangs, water issues, disease, and more, while you have the FedGov undermining you, self-appointed civil rights groups crawling up your behind every second of the day, and plenty of legal immigrants who want to bring their family members over.

Answer? You tread carefully. A lot of the "warm and fuzzy" stuff is pure politics, like Biden praising China, in the hopes of getting cooperation on issues of safety for Texans, because he knows the White House won't do squat about securing the borders. Unless and until the White House does, you won't see any border state Governors taking a hard line (except Jan Brewer, God bless her, because she had overwhelming crime stats to back it up and an irate population to support her).

Violence along the TX border has increased exponentially over the last few years; really getting out of hand. The worse it's gotten, the more strident Perry has become about securing the border and stopping the flow. A decade ago, it was more of the "touchy feely." The last few years, it's become a point of contention. Would I like to see a Jan Brewer law in Texas? You bet I would; I'm not particularly happy that he said it wouldn't work here. The Texas House went back and forth over one this session, but it didn't pass, even though Perry supported it.

Is he strong on border control? A few years ago, I would say no - definitely not. Does he realize it is now a national security issue? Yes, absolutely, I believe so. He was in the President's face over it, literally.

I realize this may not sway you, or even convince you that he's one way or the other, but I wanted to give you an absolutely honest opinion and let you decide for yourself.

I prefer the Herman Cain approach myself - Tall Fences and Open Arms. Enforce the existing laws. No amnesty!!

36 posted on 08/27/2011 11:59:09 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Rock you like a Herman Cain 2012)
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To: TheWriterTX

Border fence.


37 posted on 08/28/2011 12:01:34 AM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Boehner, you THUG B@st@rd!)
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To: Tempest
Because I LIVE HERE.

What the heck do you think the TX stands for, New York?

38 posted on 08/28/2011 12:01:41 AM PDT by TheWriterTX (Rock you like a Herman Cain 2012)
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To: TheWriterTX

Well said! I think Mexico should pick up the whole bill for illegals in America..


39 posted on 08/28/2011 12:01:52 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: RitaOK

why don’t you read post #29


40 posted on 08/28/2011 12:02:49 AM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: TheWriterTX
He's talking about providing telemedicine (doctors consulting with Mexican doctors for sick Texans in Mexico), or to help diagnose outbreaks of diseases near the border before they erupt and infect our shores.

Before they erupt and infect our shores?

How in tarnation does that help when tens of millions of Mexicans continue spread to all points in the U.S.?

41 posted on 08/28/2011 12:03:59 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Apperantly the Perry fans no speaka da English.


42 posted on 08/28/2011 12:12:46 AM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: KingKongCobra

It’s “bi-national.” Is NAFTA an agreement between the State of Texas and the country of Mexico? Seems to me that the US feds would have to be involved. And another thing, we can’t buy insurance over state lines! And how about the illegals in New York City?

Somebody didn’t think this through.


43 posted on 08/28/2011 12:13:56 AM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Boehner, you THUG B@st@rd!)
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To: RitaOK

As they say in my neck of the woods. “Was comma do”. PA Dutch for “What are you going to do”. Perry is not the worst candidate we ever had. Actually we had much worse that ended up being very good Presidents. It all depends on the man suited for the time. I don’t know if Perry is the man of the time, but there is a chance that he could be.


44 posted on 08/28/2011 12:16:43 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall
Dear Lauren:

See my post above yours. I prefer Herman Cain's approach. We need a border fence, to welcome the folks that are here legally, enforce our existing laws, and NO AMNESTY.

The flow of illegals is killing this country, on that we do agree!

As for educating, feeding, treating, and policing illegals, Texans have been picking up a huge chunk of that for the rest of the country already. Trying to find a way to get Mexico to foot part of that bill, especially since the WH won't close our borders, is an attempt to address the problem - instead of ignoring it.

45 posted on 08/28/2011 12:23:19 AM PDT by TheWriterTX (Rock you like a Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Tammy8

I know you didn’t post to me, but may I say that you will notice for yourself that pro-Perry threads can’t get three replies down before pro-Palin supporters spam you with their stuff bent on well, whatever, and the Paul sports make mischief with the misinformation just as badly as the Palin supporters.

On the Trans-Texas Corridor, if you have ever driven from Austin to Dallas, the traffic is barbaric and life threatening, so, please, a little context would help. It turned out the corridor idea took up far too much land and it died. That game is simply over. The barbaric traffic, therefore, is still barbaric and, yes, the futher lift its construction would have given the Texas economy for years is gone with the corridor. Property rights are big in Texas.

The border issue in Texas is not what it is in Arizona. Yet. Perry has boots on the ground but wants more, with an addition of air support and high tech surveillence. NO FENCE. Ranchers use the Rio Grande for livestock. Texas was Mexico and the first settlers were Texicans, not Texans. Generations of Mexicans live here. Some of them signed up for citizenship and some didn’t, in a nation that for decades didn’t care. That we didn’t care is hardly their fault. After all, who had the big stick? The USA or the “illegals” who settled here. Sending them whole sale in trains back to a country they don’t know leaving their family here is never going to happen in a civilized nation. Do you recall the trains of Germany, the Exodus, the Trail of Tears? Mass deportation will never happen here. A dose of context and reality must be introduced at some point. Perry gets that. Actually, most Americans get that. He is bang on with the immigration solutions. He has lived it.


46 posted on 08/28/2011 12:30:39 AM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick. Perry/Rubio '12)
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To: dragnet2
It's long been a fact, and a majority opinion, in all the years I've been on FR, that the borders need to be closed.

We had 6 years of a Republican-Controlled government. Were they closed?

NO.

Bambi has all but issued an invitation for them to come on in.

The leaves the problems on the backs of the State Governments, because the FedGov refuses to protect it's people. Perry was attempting to address a growing concern (the rise in infectious diseases coming up from the border).

We all know this is out of control. What I don't understand is why folks are bashing him for trying to do something about it - when the FedGov is hamstrining our border-State governors at every turn?

47 posted on 08/28/2011 12:33:01 AM PDT by TheWriterTX (Rock you like a Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

“It’s “bi-national.” — OK, so? It’s just a name. Would you prefer TexMex?

“Is NAFTA an agreement between the State of Texas and the country of Mexico?” — No but that was a different part of the speach where he was trying to get Mexico to honor the water treaty by saying we honor NAFTA.

“Seems to me that the US feds would have to be involved.” — Not really.

And another thing, we can’t buy insurance over state lines! And how about the illegals in New York City?” — You are exactly right! This didn’t affect you at all. Just like the Bi-National insurance the California has implemented affects neither us in Texas or you in New York.

“Somebody didn’t think this through.” — Yeah, that’s why Texas ran a study. After thinking it through, it was determined to not be workable. California on the other hand:

Bi-National Insurance

Many Americans are traveling to Mexico for various types of medical treatments, especially in California. Many people that go to Mexico for their health care are immigrants that cannot afford the cost of health care. Immigrants that live in cities close to the border can belong to “bi-national plans.” A bi-national plan can cost up to $80 a month with a co-payment of $5 to $15. Hospitals stays can range from $300 to $1500 depending on the specific plan and procedure


48 posted on 08/28/2011 12:35:06 AM PDT by KingKongCobra
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To: Right Wingnut 2

Nice try, but no banana. How does selling telemedicine to customers across the border turn into an international health care plan? ROFL! WE SELL EVERYTHING ACROSS THAT BORDER! The freaking masa and flour the Mexican Nationals use to make their staple tamales and tortills IS PRODUCED BY FREAKING PILLSBURY AND GENERAL MILLS!!!!! We sell $57 BILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF US GOODS TO MEXICO JUST FROM OUR STATE!

STOP THE MADNESS! STOP THE MADNESS! MY GOD, STOP THE MADNESS!


49 posted on 08/28/2011 12:37:19 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: Lauren BaRecall

“Border fence.”
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Maybe in New York. But No Texas Fences. 1200 miles of Texas border is not something a fence conquers. The Rio Grande is used by land holders with livestock and water is a premium on a border that already has plenty of rock as mighty as a concrete fence. The Texas border is closed by manpower, air support and high tech. Anything less is putting a billion dollars to a match. Perry is bang on.


50 posted on 08/28/2011 12:38:45 AM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick. Perry/Rubio '12)
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