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George Mason's Objections to the Constitution
Online Library of Liberty ^ | George Mason

Posted on 09/16/2011 4:50:58 AM PDT by Jacquerie

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To: Alas Babylon!

I was referring to the AF barracks with the babes. I exited the AF in ‘73.


21 posted on 09/16/2011 9:56:23 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Democrats: debt, dependence and derision)
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To: albionin
from George Washington's Farewell Address;

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

22 posted on 09/16/2011 10:02:00 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Democrats: debt, dependence and derision)
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To: Jacquerie
Great stuff from one of my intellectual heroes. The first objection was obviously not his entire thought on the matter of a Bill of Rights, but a reference to it. The irony is that Hamilton's fear that rights specified would be considered by the federal government to be the only ones protected turned out to be valid, but also irrelevant in the face of the fact that the federal government has steadily encroached even upon those rights that are enumerated, notably within the First, Second, Fourth and Fifth Amendments (and don't get me started on the 10th). On the whole I think history has vindicated Mason on the topic. At least specifying those rights on paper gives the public a justification for resisting that steady encroachment, however imperfectly.

The relative uselessness of the office of Vice President has been a feature of the system from the very beginning and a perennial source of humor. Placing that individual as President of the Senate was a threat to the latter body that in the case of persistent deadlock the Executive would make up their collective mind for them, a deliberate risk with a specific end in mind. I'd call it a very interesting bit of systems feedback in today's terms. It was meant to be a rare circumstance and has proven so.

Changing the ratio of House members from one for every 40,000 people to one for every 30,000 only delayed the inevitable certainty that as the country grew one of two things would happen: either the House would grow so large that debate would be impossible or the ratio would grow so large that representation would become far less direct than originally intended. Madison called that one and so did Jefferson. The federal government was always intended to be distilled through the intermediary of state government, a role that had steadily diminished even before the events of the Civil War, was exacerbated by direct election of senators, and now is atrophied, simultaneously with the growth of the inability of the federal government to provide direct representation by itself. I suppose we shouldn't be surprised that the federal government has become an unwieldy, unresponsive, bull-headed dictatorial monster in the absence of this means of citizen input. But I don't think that it was ever a role that the federal government could do very well from its very design. There are just too many people in the country to admit it. The most workable alternative, in my view, is to re-empower the state governments because they're the only ones who can, by their size and distribution, be close enough to the citizen to allow for the direct representation that was always the intention of the Founders.

And it may be that the country is now to big to allow that, in which case the principle of a distributed government suggests that the county and city governments may now be the proper repositories of direct representation. The challenge then will be the methods chosen to force both state and federal governments to be responsive to them. It can be done, but not without a deliberate, long-term, concerted effort that will be resisted fanatically by those for whom centralization of power without accountability is desirable. These are not our friends.

23 posted on 09/16/2011 10:27:40 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
Good points. I would add that the Ninth Amendment is also a dead letter and one that should be forcefully pursued. Despite wholesale, purposeful, selective enforcement of our Constitution, the document still means what it says, regardless of almost 80 years of abuse.

Mr. Mason's motion to include a Bill of Rights was voted down by all the States. There is something “there” when he couldn't swing even one state, including his own, especially considering most States had a Bill of Rights.

As for the rest of his objections, it is a matter of opinion as to whether they should have been corrected. Others, such his support of occasional ex-post facto laws, strike the modern ear as at least odd and perhaps dangerous to our liberty.

Two of his objections, had they been corrected, may well have torpedoed the Convention. One, the furor over Navigation Acts and second, a ban on any law that impaired slave importation for 20 years.

As tomorrow's post will show, objections were common. No one was entirely satisfied. The Constitution ultimately was an armistice among men who had become convinced their common interest would never be realized until they budged off their local, special interests.

24 posted on 09/16/2011 12:10:15 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Alas Babylon!

The biggest problem... We now have a Congress— and a Court, and an Executive all of which believe they have been given the power to make the Constitution a thing of wax in their hands i.e. it is a Living Constitution. The Patriot Post has begun a class action lawsuit to ask the Court to decide if solemn Oaths administered mean anything —if we the people have any right to expect our Govt. honor the oaths taken?


25 posted on 09/16/2011 12:32:24 PM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Jacquerie

I wonder what if anything would be thought of those who actively are working today to destroy the Constitution -claiming we have outlived out time as a sovereign State/empire?


26 posted on 09/16/2011 12:36:31 PM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: StonyBurk

If they could spend a day at any government school they would know what has happened.


27 posted on 09/16/2011 3:37:10 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Thane_Banquo
Ayn Rand amendment? I'll bite. A google search brought up a lot about Ayn and the first amendment but not an amendment specifically promoted by her. Is there something I'm missing?
28 posted on 10/20/2011 12:41:30 AM PDT by texanred
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To: Loud Mime

If you’ve ever gone to a Krisanne Hall seminar you will find out how 600 years of living under tyrranical rule brought about the Constitution. The founding fathers lived under this oppression and used critical thinking when writing it. It was no small feat. The Left have no respect for it because they have always lived in complete freedom. At our current rate they may have to learn its importance when the current Marxists start dismantling it.


29 posted on 11/03/2013 1:28:28 PM PST by jsanders2001
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The left does not respect the constitution because their people are in power. If constitutional republicans were in power, the liberals would be whining about and grab for power that was outside constitutional bounds.

I’ll look up Kris Anne. I’ll be meeting Ann Coulter this week, so this is going to be fun.


30 posted on 11/03/2013 8:57:20 PM PST by Loud Mime (Liberal: greedy person who charges their grandchildren for today's party)
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