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Soldiers who use medical marijuana for PTSD lose 2nd amendment rights (MY TITLE)
the inquisitr ^ | September 29, 2011 | Dan Evon

Posted on 10/15/2011 11:44:22 PM PDT by OL Hickory

If you legally purchase, ingest, and enjoy marijuana, you are no longer allowed to purchase firearms. A recent ATF memo states that firearm dealers in states where medical marijuana is legal can no longer sell firearms or ammunition to registered users.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Education; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; loseguns; pot; users; wod; wodlist; wosd

1 posted on 10/15/2011 11:44:28 PM PDT by OL Hickory
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To: OL Hickory

Just take another toke, man, and it’ll all go away...


2 posted on 10/16/2011 12:20:14 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: kingu

..only reason it was illegally made illegally was so it wouldn’t compete with Hearst forest products (paper).


3 posted on 10/16/2011 12:40:25 AM PDT by de.rm ('Most people never believe anything you tell them unless it isn't true."-Groucho Marx)
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To: de.rm

And those 80 mile per gallon carburetors are being held off the market by greedy oil companies. Had nothing to do with the prohibition nannystaters.


4 posted on 10/16/2011 12:53:25 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: OL Hickory

they need to learn to drink booze like the rest of us, then they can still keep their guns.


5 posted on 10/16/2011 1:15:40 AM PDT by RC one (Voting isn't a simple act of civic duty anymore, it's a complex act of civil war.)
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To: OL Hickory

So... is the next step to legalize marijuana, or prohibit alcohol?


6 posted on 10/16/2011 1:22:26 AM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: kingu
..it's just a fact, jack, ain't no 80 gallon about it, I don't care one way or the other 'cept for the facts.

I am sick & tried of mutha' thumpers ramblin' on about what they don't really know anything of other than propaganda some other sophisticated mutha' told them which wasn't true in the first place.

Look it up, the actual truth is rather interesting, much more interesting than the lie.

7 posted on 10/16/2011 1:40:14 AM PDT by de.rm ('Most people never believe anything you tell them unless it isn't true."-Groucho Marx)
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To: OL Hickory

Marijuana harms the brain and shouldn’t be given to anyone . That disturbed persons should possess guns is probably an argument you can’t win, either.


8 posted on 10/16/2011 1:59:42 AM PDT by Havisham
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To: Havisham

Oooooooo...the FReeper cannabis libertarians will be after you for that!

“Marijuana harms the brain”. That’s soooooooooo judgmental and untrue! I know vets who smoked dope in Vietnam and they haven’t changed a bit, they still say “hey man” and “check it out” and “there it is” and “groovy”. It’s totally harmless and fan-f***ing-tastic, man!


9 posted on 10/16/2011 5:22:54 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: OL Hickory

Now we know how the US Govmint is increasing the migrations to places like Somaliland where the Islamic leaders freely allow all them drugs on the other side of the gate to them skinney guys with big guns driving them sooped up Chevy Luvs. How many troop in our armed forces taking both legally prescribed mind altering /mood altering drugs have been outside the wire? Not just in the sandbox. Funny thing is we the People once made sure our elected and appointed officials recognized that Governments are instituted among men to secure those rights given by God. Only when the world is stood on its head can it said that Government can give or take away any rights.


10 posted on 10/16/2011 5:27:20 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: OL Hickory

Just wait until the ATF moves Ritalin and dozens of other childhood mind meds to the banned list.


11 posted on 10/16/2011 5:52:08 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: OL Hickory

I can’t believe the dolts on this thread who don’t see the big picture of generalized gun prohibition here.

Like I just said, wait until it’s Ritallin, Seroquel, Prozac, Wellbutrin etc. The ATF will clear tens of millions of citizens from the rolls of legal gun ownership, and create tens of millions of gun felons to pursue and incarcerate.


12 posted on 10/16/2011 5:55:24 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: RC one
they need to learn to drink booze like the rest of us, then they can still keep their guns.

... until the day the BATFE adds alcohol users to the list. In which case, you'd be in no position to object anyway, because you supported their actions when it was pot that got added.

13 posted on 10/16/2011 6:10:52 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Travis McGee

What exactly does “no one shall be deprived of liberty without due process of law” mean to these thugs?


14 posted on 10/16/2011 6:12:23 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Travis McGee

“.. the big picture of generalized gun prohibition”.

I do. I see that the government is starting with pot. Then it will go to anxiety medication even in small doses. Then it will go to having anyone under 18 living in their home (they will use some sort of data to say children and teens die most often if they can access a firearm). The frog, IMHO, is put into the pot and the heat has just been turned up. The government can’t remove the Second Amendment; however, it can put so many restrictions/limitations on that amendment that it simply dies. IMHO.


15 posted on 10/16/2011 6:47:15 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree

Whew. I thought I was the only one who saw it.


16 posted on 10/16/2011 7:08:00 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: coloradan

Not a damn thing.


17 posted on 10/16/2011 7:10:07 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

I have thought about how the government will restrict gun ownership for quite a while, Travis. We all know (or I think we do) that the government really doesn’t like the fact that regular citizens can own/keep guns. They can’t just come out and say NO MORE GUNS. So, they have to start restrictions. One by one. First, it is the medical marijuana. They know, IMHO, that many people will think, “Well, I don’t do drugs so I’m okay with it”. Then comes more medicines. People will think, “I’m not on anxiety medication so I’m okay with that”. It is how many of our freedoms have already been taken... step by step and with agreement with the majority of the population. What could be next? Five mile radius from a hospital or school? Then ten mile? Living in a city, suburb? No one over 65? It is all for the taking once the frog has been put into the pot. IMHO.


18 posted on 10/16/2011 7:20:29 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: OL Hickory

Shall not be infringed!


19 posted on 10/16/2011 7:35:58 AM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: kingu; de.rm
He's right. There was no major citizens’ prohibition movement against hemp when it was illegally and underhandedly outlawed. There were almost no government statements about it before prohibition. In fact, the law did not even prohibit it. It simply called for a small tax. However, the internal revenue policy was such that the tax was impossible to pay. Effectively making hemp illegal without saying it on paper.

Just follow the money:

In 1935 a hemp decorticator (like a hemp gin) was invented that allowed mechanized processing of the fibers instead of brutal manual labor. Before this, hemp was only used for applications where high strength, stable fiber was a necessity like in warships and archive paper. Once mechanized, a superior/cheaper hemp fiber would have stolen a huge chunk of the cotton and paper-wood market.

You see, another important fact is the decorticator has no influence on the availability of “pipe hemp”. The timing just makes you go hmmm:

Suddenly in 1936, while hemp fiber production is skyrocketing, anti-hemp propaganda from the government and large filmmakers is produced. They couldn't even call it by its scientific name because outlawing a major industrial plant such as hemp would have been ludicrous. Instead, they adopted the obscure mexican street name “marihuana”. In fact, only one year earlier, the US government produced promotional films that encouraged farmers to grow large-scale industrial hemp. With the new mechanization, The US would have been a leader in cheap hemp-fiber production.

Then in 1937, a Stamp Tax is proposed and a Senate debate is held. The debate was kept as low-profile as possible and presented as a debate to minimally tax “marihuana”, a word most people heard for the first time. If you read the Senate debate today, the testimony from the experts was mostly lies. One such example is a researcher testifying that he injected dozens of dogs and most died. This is impossible since plant cannabinoids cannot be processed into intravenous form. Also, there is no known lethal dose.

The whole thing was pay-for-play at the American people's expense. Business as usual...

20 posted on 10/16/2011 9:26:04 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: de.rm
I am sick & tried of mutha' thumpers ramblin' on about what they don't really know anything of other than propaganda some other sophisticated mutha' told them which wasn't true in the first place.

Your assertion was that marijuana was made illegal due to a conspiracy by some paper company to cut competition. Which ignores the national prohibition movement that, for one example, criminalized marijuana in California and classified it as a poison in 1915.

The movement to legislate and control and eventually criminalize cannabis began in the late 1800's, washed through most major states in the 1910's, regulated through hefty federal excise taxes in 1937 and then finally made a federal crime in 1970s. I put your theory right next to the 80 mile per gallon carburetor that the oil companies are holding back.

Instead, it's the same old nanny staters who pushed through this legislation over and over and over again for nearly 150 years.

21 posted on 10/16/2011 9:38:31 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: momtothree

It’ll be even easier than that.

If your mother dies and you go to the doctor with the flu. The doctor will commiserate with you and ask if you’ve been feeling depressed. You’ll answer truthfully, because you loved your mother. The doctor will talk to you about the symptoms that indicate depression.

Emotional Symptoms

constant sadness
irritability
hopelessness
feeling worthless or guilty for no reason
loss of interest in favorite activities

Physical Symptoms

trouble sleeping
low energy or fatigue
significant weight change
difficulty concentrating

These symptoms are so nebulous, that you find yourself thinking that you don’t might actually be depressed and it may not just be situationally related to your mother’s death. You have a few of these symptoms. You know the doctor is concerned.

It’s put in your medical file... even if you don’t ask for a prescription. And at every follow-up appointment you’re asked about how you’re feeling.

Later on, it’s determined by a bureaucrat that you suffer from a mental disorder!


22 posted on 10/16/2011 9:51:24 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: Havisham; elcid1970
BS!

Some conservative estimates for you:

-12.3% of people in the US have smoked it.(1)

-5.8% of people among all developed nations smoked(up to 22%+ in New Zealand).(1)

-1.3% of the US population smoke it DAILY (this is millions of people).(2)

You have MILLIONS of people using it yet there is not a single piece of solid evidence or even a single example that proves it causes any damage to the brain.

Yes, heavy abuse of cannabinoids TEMPORARILY impairs short-term memory in SOME people. But contrast that with legal alcohol abuse- far greater impairment, 100% proven and 100% permanent damage to the brain/liver. Cannabinoids are native to our body but alcohol is a poison. Alcohol abuse is guaranteed, 100% proven damage to your entire body yet it is still legal.

Is cannabis a quick high that has potential for abuse and missed responsibilities among people looking for an escape? Sometimes requiring intervention. ABSOLUTELY, just like some people are addicted to alcohol, video games or porn. Is there evidence that moderate use of cannabis causes any damage? NO. Is there a single piece of evidence showing permanent brain damage once even the heaviest cannabis intake stops? ABSOLUTELY NOT

(1) http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/lif_can_use-lifestyle-cannabis-use

(2) http://oas.samhsa.gov/2k4/dailyMJ/dailyMJ.htm

23 posted on 10/16/2011 10:10:08 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: elcid1970; Havisham
Walk right over the 2nd and 10th Amendments, fellas. And why not support the New Deal Commerce Clause while you're at it.

Typical drug war whoredom.

24 posted on 10/16/2011 10:22:33 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

You are absolutely right! I have a girlfriend who was prescribed anxiety medication for a short time. After her second stillbirth (and after three miscarriages), she was not sleeping well and sad. Of course, she was sad. The government can easily see that a 6 month prescription ten years prior could be an “indicator” that she suffers from Depression hence, no guns allowed. IMHO, this type of precedent leads to ALL of us not obtaining firearms.


25 posted on 10/16/2011 11:28:41 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree

Absolutely.

And there are millions of Americans that do face challenges with depression who are NOT homicidal maniacs. They suffer from depression, bipolar disorder or dysthymia. They are treated by competent psychiatrists or family physicians. They find relief from their symptoms with competent doctors and medication. They do not present any danger to their families or society in general.

They walk among us. They are our neighbors, our fellow church members, our colleagues, friends and family members. They live productive lives and work very hard to maintain good health and have very full and rich lives.

They deserve their 2nd Amendment rights just as much as anyone.


26 posted on 10/16/2011 12:27:28 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: Travis McGee

Or, since the law* they are citing says ‘controlled substance’ just imagine the EPA team-up where they (the EPA) affirms that water is indeed a controlled substance...

*The 1968 GCA is an Ex Post Facto law, and therefore invalid, even under the bastardized Supreme Court definition because it altered the sentences of everyone who, at the time of its passage, was serving their sentence for a felony... in addition to those who had already served their sentence and, in prior jurisprudence, would have been considered to have had their “slate wiped clean.”


27 posted on 10/16/2011 12:34:57 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OL Hickory

This is easily remedied. End the infringements of the
RKBA (which the 2nd Amendment restates) End of conflict.
P.S. I have no useful thoughts on “medical cannabis”


28 posted on 10/17/2011 2:26:23 AM PDT by cycjec
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To: Havisham
Marijuana harms the brain and shouldn’t be given to anyone .

Should all medicines with harmful side effects be banned? Or just marijuana?

29 posted on 10/17/2011 10:31:34 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies
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