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Taxpayers' Leaf: Four Recharging Stops Needed to Go 180 Miles
National Legal & Policy Center ^ | January 3, 2012 | Paul Chesser

Posted on 01/03/2012 11:21:53 AM PST by jazusamo

Nissan Leaf photo

Consumer Reports has painted an ugly picture of the Nissan Leaf, as did an early enthusiast based in Los Angeles, who described his frustrations with the heavily subsidized, all-electric car in a recent column.

Now comes what must be the definitive example of the Leaf’s impracticality – this time from a (still) hard-core advocate, whose 180-mile Tennessee trek to visit family over the holidays required four lengthy stops to keep the vehicle moving.

Stephen Smith, executive director of the Southern Alliance for Clean Energy, set out from Knoxville on Monday with his wife and son, headed for the Nashville area. His plan (appropriately) was to follow Interstate 40 West, where a series of Cracker Barrel restaurants – equipped with so-called “fast” vehicle chargers (if you want to call 30 minutes or more “fast”) along the route – would provide an electricity security blanket as the Leaf’s charge diminished.

Only problem was, the Leaf’s charge dropped more rapidly than promised. In what has to be a public relations disaster for Nissan, Smith’s EV was unable to travel no farther than 55 miles on any leg of the trip – and for the most part, much less. The company, and its government backers, proclaimed the Leaf was “built to go 100 miles on a charge” (large print), with a footnoted disclaimer (small print) that it travels shorter distances (like, 70 miles) if the air conditioning or the heater is used. Turns out even that was an exaggeration.

It was about 35 degrees in the Volunteer State when Smith departed Knoxville on Monday, and Mrs. Smith and his five-year-old son apparently were not willing to forgo heat in order to make the EV cause look good. A trip that should take – according to map Web sites – less than three hours, ended up lasting six hours for the Smiths because of all the stops they had to make. The approximate intervals where they paused for recharging were as follows:

Hence the Smiths required four recharges in order to travel approximately 180 miles. According to the account in The Tennessean, they experienced their first “hair-raiser” range anxiety before they even reached Harriman.

“The display on the dashboard of their Nissan LEAF showed a drop in available range from 100 miles to about 50, when they had only traveled about 40 miles,” reported the Gannett-owned newspaper, which also owns USA Today, a cheerleader of all “clean” energy projects regardless of viability.

If the specs promised by Nissan and Leaf advocates were to be believed, the Smiths should have been able to travel about 25-30 miles past Harriman (where it took 20 minutes to boost the battery to 80 percent) before they’d need a recharge, even when using the car heater. But because of the limited availability of so-called “fast chargers” (440 volts, 30 minutes), the intermediate stop was necessary in order to climb the upcoming Cumberland Plateau and reach the next Cracker Barrel “fast charger” in Crossville. The chargers (which, by the way, don’t work for the Chevy Volt and won’t for many future EVs planned for release) are sparse because they cost $40,000 each, and companies like Ecotality apparently can only do so much with the $115 million Department of Energy grant it received to deploy the equipment.

At Crossville, according to The Tennessean , the Smiths’ battery gauge failed them again. The reading at Harriman said they could go another 70 miles, but after 31 miles, the gauge indicated they only had 20 miles of range remaining. Obviously that wasn’t to be trusted.

“It was a little nerve wracking,” Stephen Smith told the Nashville-based newspaper. “I’m finding the range is not 100 percent accurate.”

But heading west from Crossville, according to Smith, would not be as taxing on the Leaf: “Cookeville will be about the same distance but it will be flat or downhill.” It turned out his battery gauge maintained accuracy on that leg of the trip, but when he reached Lebanon (50 miles), he found that the Ecotality “Blink” fast-charger at the Cracker Barrel was, uh, on the blink (he should have known that was possible, if not likely). So instead he had to plug in to another slower charger at the restaurant, which took an hour to boost the battery enough (they hoped) to travel the remaining 22 miles to their destination.

The Smiths arrived at their destination in Antioch with what the Leaf told them was six miles of range remaining. All that after an anxiety-filled six-hour trip that was more than twice as long as it would take in a gasoline vehicle, which could probably have been accomplished with a single stop for a bathroom break.

The Smiths’ experience echoed that of a Consumer Reportsreviewer and Los Angeles columnist Rob Eshman, who called his Leaf his “2011 Nissan Solyndra.” Eshman, editor-in-chief of The Jewish Journal, experienced the same gauge inaccuracies and range anxiety that came from traversing hills and mountains and the use of his air conditioning in hot, smoggy L.A.

“My life now revolves around a near-constant calculation of how far I can drive before I’ll have to walk,” Eshman wrote. “The Nissan Leaf, I can report, is perfect if you don’t have enough anxiety in your life.”

Of course, you won’t hear words like that from the lips of passionate “Green” energy advocate Smith, who chalked up the experience to being an “early adopter” and a pioneer.

“It’s good knowing we didn’t use a drop of oil getting down here,” he said. He must have had a similar fuzzy feeling on his return trip , which "only" took five hours, since the Lebanon charger was working later in the week.

As for the heavily coal-generated electricity from the Tennessee Valley Authority that powered his trip, well, let’s not go there. Let’s just pretend that windmills and solar panels could have just as easily done the trick, if the EPA and Department of Energy would just do their jobs and eliminate all coal power plants and “invest” billions more taxpayer dollars in “renewables” deployment.

As for “why Tennessee” as part of this EV system rollout, you might ask? Thanks be to taxpayers there, also, as Nissan has in its back pocket a $1.4 billion federal loan to retrofit a plant in Smyrna – just outside Nashville – to mass-produce the Leaf. As company CEO Carlos Ghosn has said publicly, Nissan will produce EVs wherever government will produce the financial incentives.

And that’s what it takes in order for the “Green” energy industry swindle to survive.

Paul Chesser is an associate fellow for the National Legal and Policy Center.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: charging; efv; electricvehicles; energy; greenenergy; leaf; nissanleaf; nlpc; subsidies; taxcredit
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What a can of worms. We have become used to heating and air conditioning and driving any kind of terrain in internal combustion engine vehicles, not so now with electric vehicles.
1 posted on 01/03/2012 11:21:58 AM PST by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo
Great article from last year.

Nissan Leaf a comfortable, fun car to drive (For 50 Miles - Then it Dies!)

Monday, February 14, 2011 10:28:45 AM · by Responsibility2nd · 126 replies
San Antonio Express News ^ | 02/13/2011 | G. Chambers Williams III
 
 
Williams is a toadie and cannot say anything negative about a car, otherwise automakers will not allow him to test their vehicles. But his experience is driving this fail-bucket is hilarious.
 
 

 


2 posted on 01/03/2012 11:26:14 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: jazusamo

Word to the wise, don’t buy government subsidized products. It will not live up to industry standards simply because they were spending the money of someone else to build it. You will get the minimum in both technology and workmanship.


3 posted on 01/03/2012 11:30:01 AM PST by formosa (Formosa)
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To: jazusamo
It was about 35 degrees in the Volunteer State when Smith departed Knoxville on Monday

Available charge in batteries is drastically affected by cold (or hot) temperatures.

4 posted on 01/03/2012 11:30:03 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: jazusamo

I think at the current technology, folks are trying to apply electric vehicles in ways they are not designed.


5 posted on 01/03/2012 11:31:32 AM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: jazusamo

The problem comes from people like this Smith guy( the tenn writer) who think the Gov’t ( us ) SHOULD sibsidize these failures instead of letting the marketplace work.
let private compnaies work the bugs/ clinks out and then offer these vehicles.
but WE should NOT sibsidize the making of these pos and the buying of these POS and the buildong of charging stations.
It is not worth it now.


6 posted on 01/03/2012 11:32:38 AM PST by RWGinger (Simpl)
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To: DonaldC

Yeah, like driving them...


7 posted on 01/03/2012 11:36:23 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: jazusamo
Stephen Smith, executive director of the Southern Alliance for Clean Energy

The cars will go away first. The made up "green jobs" that accompanied them like Mr. Smith's will follow shortly thereafter.

8 posted on 01/03/2012 11:36:23 AM PST by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: jazusamo

They must have had a headwind. I’ve heard those electric cars are great.

/s


9 posted on 01/03/2012 11:37:51 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<0> - - -)
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To: DonaldC
I think at the current technology, folks are trying to apply electric vehicles in ways they are not designed.

You mean like expecting a vehicle advertised as having a 100 mile range might actually be expected to travel 100 miles without requiring recharging first?

10 posted on 01/03/2012 11:38:13 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: jazusamo

I rode in a Leaf and the owner likes it quite a bit but he spends every trip longer than 30 miles worrying if he can make it home.


11 posted on 01/03/2012 11:39:01 AM PST by Zathras
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To: jazusamo

Filled up my wife’s car the other day, and just out of curiosity, flipped around the computer gage - “540 miles to empty.”

Only, I have noted that that guage lies - you have 12 gallons of fuel left at “empty.”


12 posted on 01/03/2012 11:40:03 AM PST by patton ("Je pense donc je suis," - My Horse.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Available charge in batteries is drastically affected by cold (or hot) temperatures.

Cold temps shouldn't affect lithium batteries. At least in appliances such as flashlights. They will shine just as brightly but there's no degrading of performance....they then just go out.

13 posted on 01/03/2012 11:40:33 AM PST by Focault's Pendulum (Moose Alert!!!! Get some sleeves!)
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To: jazusamo

I dont’ know why this was a shock to these people. Anyone who’s ever played around with battery operated toys(or cell phones for that matter) knows all claims about batteries are lies. And on top of the lies regarding how long the batteries last, every little thing you do differently will alter the battery life. Put more than one person it the car...battery gets sucked down faster. drive up hills...battery sucks down faster. run air conditioner or heater...battery sucks down faster. Headwind...battery sucks down faster.

Also, time to charge up a battery is a lie. It always takes longer than what they claim.

That said, I know they can make electric cars better than the LEAF...but at what price, is the question. It would be nice if 440/480 volt 3 phase service was readily available but it isn’t . That’s just the way it is right now. Maybe someday 480 volt service will be standard in every neighborhood, every garage, and every commercial building. But at the moment, 480 volts is extremely rare. you are lucky to have 240 volt service. Lots of locations don’t even have that.


14 posted on 01/03/2012 11:43:35 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: RWGinger

Exactly...No way we should be subsidizing production and sales of these green cars. The market should determine both and if it was the market these companies wouldn’t be manufacturing them.


15 posted on 01/03/2012 11:44:14 AM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
If the specs promised by Nissan and Leaf advocates were to be believed ...

16 posted on 01/03/2012 11:44:31 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: jazusamo
“It’s good knowing we didn’t use a drop of oil getting down here,” he said.

Isn't that nice.

By the way, how much coal did you use?

17 posted on 01/03/2012 11:46:19 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: jazusamo
“It’s good knowing we didn’t use a drop of oil getting down here,” he said.

In case anyone was wondering whether he is as stupid as we all think he is.

18 posted on 01/03/2012 11:47:28 AM PST by IamConservative ("The ability to speak eloquently is not to be confused with having something to say." - MP Hart)
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To: jazusamo
Damn thing sounds like an oversize golf cart.

Imagine a nice humid summer day when you have to run the A/C constantly.

19 posted on 01/03/2012 11:51:39 AM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Focault's Pendulum; Sherman Logan

Cold temps shouldn’t affect lithium batteries
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boy are you thinking inside the box!

How about running an electric heater to keep an uninsulated metal box(a car) heated to comfortable temps when zipping down a highway at 60MPH(windchill effect)? Ya think that might suck down a battery?

Figure on AT LEAST a 3000 watt heater plus a circulating fan. Now look up how many watts it takes to push a LEAF down the road at 60MPH and I think you will be amazed what a joke this idea is.


20 posted on 01/03/2012 11:51:55 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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