Rick Santorum is no Conservative Savior, sez troll before getting the ZOT

Dissenting Opinions ^ | 01/07/2012 | jwpegler

[onyx]

I have been here for over 10 years. Santorum is not for small, limited government. I classify him as a socialist.

Bully for you.

I have been here longer than you, and I say you're wrong.

Santorum is a conservative. His voting record is almost as conservative as Newt Gingrich's.

You can nitpick every candidate to death, but start and end with Romeny.

[tennmountainman]

He’s back under a different name.

[Ole Okie]

Ron Paul admitted last night during the debate that he is actually for the Democratic Party

Yeah, I heard that. RPaul made no attempt to correct himself, and nobody else seemed to pick up on it.

[Arrowhead1952]

"Live Free or Die"

Looks like the troll chose the latter.

[Gunslingr3]

Most repulsive of all is the crony-capitalist, pay-for-access, big government supporting types that people are parading as ‘conservatives’ this cycle.
To me conservatism is larger than where one stands on abortion.

[napscoordinator]

So you agree with the guy that just got zotted?

[onyx]

Gunslingr3 is more Libertairian than anything else. It’s as simple as that.

Understand? *wink*

[wagglebee]

Most repulsive of all is the crony-capitalist, pay-for-access, big government supporting types that people are parading as ‘conservatives’ this cycle.

Let me guess, your definition of conservative somehow includes leftist like Ron Paul?

To me conservatism is larger than where one stands on abortion.

That's true, but if a person will not defend the lives of the most innocent and helpless among us then it is axiomatic that they will not defend our Republic.

Take Ron Paul for instance, he believes that each state should be free to legalize abortion AND he also believes America's enemies like Iran should be free to develop nuclear weapons to destroy us.

[Russ]

I’ve been here for over 14 years (so what?) and Rick is no socialist nor is he a liberal or even moderate. My daughter worked for him when he was a US Senator. He and his wife always treated their staff well and respectful. Certainly he isn’t perfect but his conservative credentials are genuine. As Rush said last week, Santorum is not for big government, he is for a strong and efficient government. I agree with you, onyx, lets train our sights on the real threat to the success of the Republican Party next November: Mitt Romney.

[lonestar]

Bully for you!

I've been here longer than you and I don't understand Santorum's defense of unions!...he opposed national right to work legislation.

Santorum also had issues with Jim DeMint on earmarks.

I don't think Santorum is a small government conservative...based on his voting record.

I KNOW Jim DeMint is a conservative!

I'm proud to be a Perrywinkle. I KNOW Perry is a conservative and PROUD that Texas is a Right to Work state!

I don't think it's "nitpicking" to question things about Santorum's voting record! It doesn't scream "fiscal conservative."

If you can't defend it, have me zotted.

That is your MO!

[little jeremiah]

To me conservatism is larger than where one stands on abortion.

Of course it's larger than "just" being pro-life. But being pro-life is a big part of being conservative, no one can be a conservative and be simultaneously pro-death ie "pro-choice". Even state by state. Or pro-death as in "doctor assisted suicide" for that matter.

[FightThePower!]

If Santorum were elected President, would government expenditures be higher or lower after 4 years? If he wouldn’t shrink government then he isn’t a conservative.

[wagglebee]

If Santorum were elected President, would government expenditures be higher or lower after 4 years?

Were government expenditures higher or lower after Reagan's first four years? What about after eight years?

If he wouldn’t shrink government then he isn’t a conservative.

Was Reagan a conservative?

[joe fonebone]

""Take Ron Paul for instance, he believes that each state should be free to legalize abortion
but, but, but, wouldn't that mean that each state would be free to outlaw abortion???? 10th amendment... read it... understand it... or go to a totaltarian country...

[wagglebee]

but, but, but, wouldn't that mean that each state would be free to outlaw abortion???? 10th amendment... read it... understand it... or go to a totaltarian [sic] country...

NOWHERE in the Constitution does it suggest that states have the power to legislate away unalienable rights, in fact the Fourteenth Amendment makes it perfectly clear that it would be unconstitutional to allow states to legalize abortion.

How EXACTLY would abolishing abortion make the United States a "totalitarian" country?

[FightThePower!]

My point exactly. government only grows under every Republican. I can’t support them because of that. Cut government 50% or stop giving small government a bad name.

[wagglebee]

My point exactly. government only grows under every Republican. I can’t support them because of that. Cut government 50% or stop giving small government a bad name.

So, if you don't think Ronald Reagan was a conservative, who do you believe is a conservative?

And for the record, conservatism DOES NOT SUPPORT "small government," that is the goal of libertarian-anarchists. Conservatives support LIMITED government, there is a huge difference.

[Utmost Certainty]

To me conservatism is larger than where one stands on abortion.

Agreed. Hence why I can't support Santorum, because he's a big government collectivist who says personal autonomy and individualism are overrated, and that "America is about imposing our values on each other."

[newzjunkey]

The piece related bare facts about Santorum's big gov't voting record, his choice of the establishment Spector over Toomey, Santorum's education background, experience and so forth that marks the poster a troll? Please!

People flocking to Santorum as their nominating salvation need to know who and what he is. If they dig deeper than his "social conservative" message and they may not like what they find.

Santorum's no "Romney killer;" he ran interference for him throughout the 2011 debate cycle.