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Rick Santorum is no Conservative Savior, sez troll before getting the ZOT
Dissenting Opinions ^ | 01/07/2012 | jwpegler

Posted on 01/08/2012 10:41:37 AM PST by octapi

Rick Santorum's virtual tie in Iowa has propelled him into the national spotlight overnight.

Just three weeks ago, Santorum was polling in the low to middle single digits in Iowa. Many people questioned why he was even in the race. I thought that he was probably running for Vice President -- someone who could give Mitt Romney credibility with social conservatives.

Now that Santorum has emerged as the latest front-runner among the GOP Presidential contenders, it's time to take a close look at who Rick Santorum really is.

Santorum was born in 1958 in West Virginia. His parents were government employees who worked at a VA Hospital in neighboring Pennsylvania. After graduating from college with a Law Degree, Santorum went to work for the government as a legislative aide to a Pennsylvania State Senator. He later served on a Pennsylvania government transportation committee.

Santorum was elected to the House of Representatives in 1990. In 1994 he was elected to the Senate as part of the Gingrich revolution. In 1996, Santorum served as Chairman of the Republican Party Task Force on Welfare Reform and he helped steer that important piece of legislation through the Senate.

However, during the Bush the administration, Santorum helped lead the GOP away from their principles, by concocting all kinds of government spending programs designed to create new government dependent constituencies that would be loyal to the GOP.

Rick Santorum voted for the first new federal entitlement program since LBJ (Medicare Part D), the largest federal intrusion into the classroom in history (the failed No Child Left Behind), the largest pork barrel infrastructure bill in history (including the infamous "bridge to nowhere"), thousands of earmarks, Bush's two ill-conceived wars in the Middle East, and much more. Santorum and his buddies turned a balance budget into huge deficits and set the stage for the Democrats to regain control of the Congress and White House.

Rick Santorum is the poster boy for everything that was wrong with the GOP during the Bush administration. As a result, he got booted out of office in 2006 along with the rest of the GOP Congress. He lost to a conservative Democrat by a whopping 59% to 41%.

During the 1980s, Ronald Reagan vetoed a transportation bill from a Democrat Congress because it contained 150 earmarks. During the Bush Administration, Santorum helped to Sheppard a transportation bill through a GOP Congress that contained over 1,000 earmarks (including the "bridge to nowhere"). Bush signed it. This alone should tell us all how much so-called "conservatives" like Santorum have veered off of the course set for us by Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan.

Santorum also endorsed liberal GOP Senator Arlen Specter over his conservative challenger Pat Toomey in 2004. Specter won the primary and the election. Thanks to Rick Santorum, Arlen Specter was around to cast the deciding vote for Obamacare in the Senate. In 2010, Specter switched to the Democrat Party and lost to his primary challenger. Pat Toomey won the Senate seat.

I've watched every GOP debate during this election cycle. One thing that really strikes me is that of all of the current GOP Presidential candidates, Rick Santorum seems to have learned the least from Bush's misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan. Like Bush, Santorum seems to believe that the U.S. government can force a western civilization on a country like Afghanistan, where no reasonable civilization has ever existed before.

Earlier this week Rush Limbaugh was bellyaching about people questioning Santorum's conservative credentials. Limbaugh stated that "conservatives" actually do believe in big government -- just not the same kind of big government that liberals believe in. Oh really???

So sure, if our new definition of a "conservative" is someone who wants to conserve the growth of government over the last 80 years and the corrupt cronyism that it spawned, then Santorum is indeed a "conservative".

However, if our definition of a "conservative" is someone who wants to conserve the Constitution, limited government, the free market, and our individual liberty, then Santorum isn't even close to fitting the bill.

I hope and pray that the good people of New Hampshire take a hard look at Rick Santorum in the context of their state motto -- "Live Free or Die" -- and render their verdict accordingly.


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1 posted on 01/08/2012 10:41:39 AM PST by octapi
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To: octapi

Your first post on FR is an article slamming Santorum?

Newby troll.


2 posted on 01/08/2012 10:43:48 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: octapi

Hope you enjoyed your short stay here, N00b.


3 posted on 01/08/2012 10:45:38 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: octapi

Lemme guess...RonPaul 2012...right? Sure you are.


4 posted on 01/08/2012 10:47:35 AM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: octapi

Ok, Mitt,
Knock it off.


5 posted on 01/08/2012 10:48:55 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: octapi

Hey election troll who Are you trolling for
9-11 truther Paul nutter ?


6 posted on 01/08/2012 10:51:14 AM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: octapi

You sound like a Ron Paul wacko. Go vote for your wacky Uncle but leave me out. Go Rick Santorum!!!!!! He is a great moral person.


7 posted on 01/08/2012 10:53:22 AM PST by napscoordinator (Go Rick! Go Rick! Go Newt! Let's get 'er done.)
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To: gimme1ibertee
No, not Ron Paul.

I checked his previous columns: HERE

He likes a lot about Rick Perry.

8 posted on 01/08/2012 10:54:24 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: gimme1ibertee

Lemme guess...RonPaul 2012...right? Sure you are.

I typed basically the same thing.....I am glad that I am not the only one who thought it was “The Crazy Uncle Supporter”.


9 posted on 01/08/2012 10:54:39 AM PST by napscoordinator (Go Rick! Go Rick! Go Newt! Let's get 'er done.)
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To: onyx

Hello wonderful Onyx,

No problem with him supporting whoever he wants, but he is bashing one of the three conservatives which I find repulsive.

Have a great Sunday!
NAPS


10 posted on 01/08/2012 10:56:19 AM PST by napscoordinator (Go Rick! Go Rick! Go Newt! Let's get 'er done.)
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To: octapi

You chose an obscene screen name. Bye Bye Troll.


11 posted on 01/08/2012 10:56:29 AM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: PA Engineer

whats obscene about it? It appears to be a misspelling of octopi.


12 posted on 01/08/2012 11:08:35 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: napscoordinator

Happy, blessed Lord’s Day!

I think his time here will be short lived!

Not very smart to come to our conservative forum with a column aimed at discrediting one of our major Romney Killers.


13 posted on 01/08/2012 11:09:44 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: octapi
Now that Santorum has emerged as the latest front-runner among the GOP Presidential contenders, it's time to take a close look at who Rick Santorum really is.

Yep, newbie troll, it's Santorums turn to be skewered by the left.

Nice try though.

14 posted on 01/08/2012 11:11:11 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: octapi; Admin Moderator; napscoordinator; TheOldLady; 50mm

BEAUTIFUL, Admin Moderator!

Happy Lord’s Day!


15 posted on 01/08/2012 11:13:22 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: onyx

Octopi is now a giant ink stain.


16 posted on 01/08/2012 11:14:39 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: onyx; octapi; Admin Moderator; napscoordinator; TheOldLady; 50mm

Yes thank you Admin Moderator. Cleaning out the garbage. You do it so well and efficient.


17 posted on 01/08/2012 11:16:07 AM PST by napscoordinator (Go Rick! Go Rick! Go Newt! Let's get 'er done.)
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To: dfwgator

LOL. Disgrunted punkopi.


18 posted on 01/08/2012 11:16:32 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: Free Vulcan

I have been here for over 10 years. Santorum is not for small, limited government. I classify him as a socialist.


19 posted on 01/08/2012 11:18:05 AM PST by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: napscoordinator; Admin Moderator; y'all
WOO-HOO!

20 posted on 01/08/2012 11:18:08 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: FightThePower!
I have been here for over 10 years. Santorum is not for small, limited government. I classify him as a socialist.

Bully for you.

I have been here longer than you, and I say you're wrong.

Santorum is a conservative. His voting record is almost as conservative as Newt Gingrich's.

You can nitpick every candidate to death, but start and end with Romeny.

21 posted on 01/08/2012 11:22:31 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: Free Vulcan

He’s back under a different name.


23 posted on 01/08/2012 11:33:44 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: American Constitutionalist
Ron Paul admitted last night during the debate that he is actually for the Democratic Party

Yeah, I heard that. RPaul made no attempt to correct himself, and nobody else seemed to pick up on it.

24 posted on 01/08/2012 11:39:37 AM PST by Ole Okie
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To: octapi; Old Sarge
"Live Free or Die"

Looks like the troll chose the latter.


25 posted on 01/08/2012 11:53:47 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: napscoordinator

Most repulsive of all is the crony-capitalist, pay-for-access, big government supporting types that people are parading as ‘conservatives’ this cycle.
To me conservatism is larger than where one stands on abortion.


26 posted on 01/08/2012 11:55:24 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3; Admin Moderator; onyx

So you agree with the guy that just got zotted?


27 posted on 01/08/2012 12:14:17 PM PST by napscoordinator (Go Rick! Go Rick! Go Newt! Let's get 'er done.)
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To: napscoordinator; Gunslingr3

Gunslingr3 is more Libertairian than anything else. It’s as simple as that.

Understand? *wink*


28 posted on 01/08/2012 12:21:41 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: Gunslingr3; napscoordinator; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; ..
Most repulsive of all is the crony-capitalist, pay-for-access, big government supporting types that people are parading as ‘conservatives’ this cycle.

Let me guess, your definition of conservative somehow includes leftist like Ron Paul?

To me conservatism is larger than where one stands on abortion.

That's true, but if a person will not defend the lives of the most innocent and helpless among us then it is axiomatic that they will not defend our Republic.

Take Ron Paul for instance, he believes that each state should be free to legalize abortion AND he also believes America's enemies like Iran should be free to develop nuclear weapons to destroy us.

29 posted on 01/08/2012 12:25:46 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: onyx

I’ve been here for over 14 years (so what?) and Rick is no socialist nor is he a liberal or even moderate. My daughter worked for him when he was a US Senator. He and his wife always treated their staff well and respectful. Certainly he isn’t perfect but his conservative credentials are genuine. As Rush said last week, Santorum is not for big government, he is for a strong and efficient government. I agree with you, onyx, lets train our sights on the real threat to the success of the Republican Party next November: Mitt Romney.


30 posted on 01/08/2012 12:31:11 PM PST by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: onyx
Bully for you!

I've been here longer than you and I don't understand Santorum's defense of unions!...he opposed national right to work legislation.

Santorum also had issues with Jim DeMint on earmarks.

I don't think Santorum is a small government conservative...based on his voting record.

I KNOW Jim DeMint is a conservative!

I'm proud to be a Perrywinkle. I KNOW Perry is a conservative and PROUD that Texas is a Right to Work state!

I don't think it's "nitpicking" to question things about Santorum's voting record! It doesn't scream "fiscal conservative."

If you can't defend it, have me zotted.

That is your MO!

31 posted on 01/08/2012 12:35:25 PM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Gunslingr3; wagglebee
To me conservatism is larger than where one stands on abortion.

Of course it's larger than "just" being pro-life. But being pro-life is a big part of being conservative, no one can be a conservative and be simultaneously pro-death ie "pro-choice". Even state by state. Or pro-death as in "doctor assisted suicide" for that matter.

32 posted on 01/08/2012 12:58:46 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: onyx

If Santorum were elected President, would government expenditures be higher or lower after 4 years? If he wouldn’t shrink government then he isn’t a conservative.


33 posted on 01/08/2012 1:03:29 PM PST by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: FightThePower!; onyx
If Santorum were elected President, would government expenditures be higher or lower after 4 years?

Were government expenditures higher or lower after Reagan's first four years? What about after eight years?

If he wouldn’t shrink government then he isn’t a conservative.

Was Reagan a conservative?

34 posted on 01/08/2012 1:08:39 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
""Take Ron Paul for instance, he believes that each state should be free to legalize abortion
but, but, but, wouldn't that mean that each state would be free to outlaw abortion???? 10th amendment... read it... understand it... or go to a totaltarian country...
35 posted on 01/08/2012 1:20:52 PM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: joe fonebone; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
but, but, but, wouldn't that mean that each state would be free to outlaw abortion???? 10th amendment... read it... understand it... or go to a totaltarian [sic] country...

NOWHERE in the Constitution does it suggest that states have the power to legislate away unalienable rights, in fact the Fourteenth Amendment makes it perfectly clear that it would be unconstitutional to allow states to legalize abortion.

How EXACTLY would abolishing abortion make the United States a "totalitarian" country?

36 posted on 01/08/2012 1:28:48 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

My point exactly. government only grows under every Republican. I can’t support them because of that. Cut government 50% or stop giving small government a bad name.


37 posted on 01/08/2012 1:30:59 PM PST by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: FightThePower!; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
My point exactly. government only grows under every Republican. I can’t support them because of that. Cut government 50% or stop giving small government a bad name.

So, if you don't think Ronald Reagan was a conservative, who do you believe is a conservative?

And for the record, conservatism DOES NOT SUPPORT "small government," that is the goal of libertarian-anarchists. Conservatives support LIMITED government, there is a huge difference.

38 posted on 01/08/2012 1:35:02 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Gunslingr3
To me conservatism is larger than where one stands on abortion.

Agreed. Hence why I can't support Santorum, because he's a big government collectivist who says personal autonomy and individualism are overrated, and that "America is about imposing our values on each other."
39 posted on 01/08/2012 2:04:10 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: onyx; All
The piece related bare facts about Santorum's big gov't voting record, his choice of the establishment Spector over Toomey, Santorum's education background, experience and so forth that marks the poster a troll? Please!

People flocking to Santorum as their nominating salvation need to know who and what he is. If they dig deeper than his "social conservative" message and they may not like what they find.

Santorum's no "Romney killer;" he ran interference for him throughout the 2011 debate cycle.

40 posted on 01/08/2012 2:20:09 PM PST by newzjunkey
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To: octapi

Troll... Rick Santorum would be a GREAT POTUS/VPOTUS. I’m going RP/RS as the tiket.


41 posted on 01/08/2012 2:21:36 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (If we stay home in November '12, don't blame 0 for tearing up the CONSTITUTION!!)
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To: joe fonebone
10th amendment... read it... understand it... or go to a totaltarian country...

The Tenth Amendment speaks of powers. Legitimate powers, of the national government, the state governments, and of the people.

None of the three have any legitimate power or jurisdiction to alienate the God-given, unalienable rights of any person. They never have and they never will.

The views you espouse, which demonstrate a complete misunderstanding of the Tenth Amendment, and ignorance concerning natural rights, have been propagated widely by Ron Paul. It's a deadly disease in the body politic, quite frankly.

This republic was premised on an understanding of the self-evident truths concerning the natural equal rights of the people.

You probably don't realize it, but by following Ron Paul on these things, you're helping to destroy those foundations.

The irony of your post is that the mark of totalitarianism is that they have no respect whatsoever for the God-given, unalienable equal rights of the individual.

42 posted on 01/08/2012 4:18:07 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Romney is Obama.)
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To: onyx
Santorum voted against "Right to Work" legislation while in the Senate and supported that degenerate scumbag Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey.

Those are completely indefensible and unacceptable actions.

He is also a lawyer.

He is done after New Hampshire.

43 posted on 01/08/2012 4:25:34 PM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: joe fonebone; wagglebee

So a country which forbids murder in every state is a totalitarian country, since it would not allow any state to legally murder people?


44 posted on 01/08/2012 4:32:11 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: wagglebee

I am not a Paul supporter, the guy looks to me like he is one step ahead of the guys with the butterfly nets and a straight jacket.

On Iran getting a nuke, it’s a non-issue, it’s too late, the Taliban already have nukes via their puppet government in Pakistan, not sure how Iran getting their own is going to make that situation any worse.

All of this saber rattling about Irans nuke is just the military industrial complexes way off staving off big cuts to the defense budget.

Pakistan is a nuclear power and Taliban insurgents were within 60 miles of the capital and seizing control in 2009.

They had to back off because we were still a heavy presence in Iraq and Afghanistan and sent that degenerate Hillary Clinton over to tell the government to make pretend they were fighting back.

OBL was living in the Pakistani equivalent of West Point.

Pretty soon the charade will be over, and AlQueda will take direct control of all of the Pakistani nukes.

Iran is not going to do anything to challenge the US navy, its all propaganda


45 posted on 01/08/2012 4:38:46 PM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: EternalVigilance
Great Post!
46 posted on 01/08/2012 4:40:45 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Rome2000
That's all well and good, but the FACT still remains that Paul is pro-abortion AND believes in appeasing America's enemies (and appeasement is exactly what Paul would be doing by abandoning Israel).
47 posted on 01/08/2012 4:45:22 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: octapi; darkwing104; 50mm; Old Sarge; 230FMJ; A.Hun; abigailsmybaby; AFPhys; Aircop_2006; ...
One and done for octapi. ZOT!

To be added or removed from the Viking Kitty/ZOT Ping List, FReepmail Darkwing104 or 50mm.

48 posted on 01/08/2012 4:46:59 PM PST by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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To: onyx
Click

49 posted on 01/08/2012 4:49:58 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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50 posted on 01/08/2012 4:52:45 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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