Skip to comments.Gingrich and Santorum Vie to Be the Conservative of Choice [Defeat Romney? One Must Drop Out!]
Posted on 01/13/2012 9:39:30 PM PST by Steelfish
January 13, 2012 Gingrich and Santorum Vie to Be the Conservative of Choice By RICHARD A. OPPEL JR.
DUNCAN, S.C. Conventional wisdom dictates that for either Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum to vault past Mitt Romney and win the South Carolina primary on Jan. 21, they must handily win the vote of upstate social conservatives, like the ones who packed a high school lunchroom here Friday night. But if the reactions of the 500 or so people here were any indication, these voters remain split.
Mr. Gingrich, a former House speaker, asked the crowd to vote for him because he is the only candidate, he suggested, who can both outperform President Obama in a debate and provide a clear enough conservative break with Mr. Obamas policies, making him a safer choice to win the general election.
If Barack Obama, with the disaster he has been, can get re-elected, the level of radicalism he will impose in his second term will be beyond anything you can imagine, Mr. Gingrich said. Defeating him is central to everything we are doing.
He added that if he won both this state and Floridas primary at the end of the month, he would have the momentum he needed to win the nomination. And in what seemed to be a veiled swipe at the front-runner, Mr. Romney, he warned that conservatives might split their vote. If that happens, he said to applause, we are going to stumble into nominating somebody that 95 percent of the people in this room are going to be very uncomfortable with.
Mr. Santorum, a former Pennsylvania senator, likened himself to Ronald Reagan, and called on voters to make him the winner of their primary, as they did for Mr. Reagan in 1980.
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They need to sit down and have a talk. Newt as President and Rick can choose VP and run next or clean up the AG dept.
Bravo! Newt needs to get out. He carries too much baggage and is un-telegenic. According to CNN, in S. Carolina, Newt is winning the male vote against Romney but is losing in spades the female vote to Romney.
It is what it is.
Romney just might squeak by with a 3-way split vote: Gingrich Santorum and Perry. Everyone knows he’s counting on it.
Neither will drop out and certainly not Newt Gingrich who has worked hard to put together real solutions for the radical changes necessary to save and restore our Republic.
Santorum would not be in the race, save for Iowa and Romney/Paul’s scorched earth attack ads against Gingrich when Gingrich was running away with the nomination.
“They need to sit down and have a talk. Newt as President and Rick can choose VP and run next or clean up the AG dept.”
You couldn’t be more correct.....
A POTUS/VP - Gingrich/Santorum or Santorum/Gingrich would win the primary and general big.
Git’r done now gentlemen.
I don’t think Santorum is that realistic or interested at this point. He’s still riding his Iowa high on those caucus votes. He’s forgotten that a losing senator from PA probably isn’t the strongest candidate for national office.
It's early yet, no one need "drop out" unless these people, like Mitt, wish it to be between Mitt and Paul so that Mitt can win as "the conservative" in the race.
“like Mitt, wish it to be between Mitt and Paul so that Mitt can win as “the conservative” in the race.”
Yes, Mitt and Paul are both conservatives.
And those other two loser senators, Obama & McCain.
Thankfully we’ll all be dead before another senator is elected POTUS.
It took 48 years last time to learn the lesson.
Ithink that’s right, Onyx. Newt is on stride with his new populist/Tea Party message- Santorum may be fading. I say that only because he’s now attacking Newt.
But, the only sure road to victory, is if Sarah gets off the mark-and jumps in to support. I can see her doing it. But, of course, she doesn’t want to back a loser. So, I think, if she does endorse, she’ll want to see a trend first.
Santorum lost his US Senate race in PA by 17 or 18 points to the democrat Bob Casey. I don’t believe he’s the strongest candidate to head the GOP ticket.
I was at the event tonight.
Santorum went around the room shaking hands like he didnt care if he was in the room or not. Not even a smile or a thank you for coming.
That does not sit well with me...
Hey native sunflower,
Mitt’s delusional. Newt is delusional as well.
Right. Senators are likely the worst officeholders to put into the presidency.
I am hesitant about Sarah Palin. More and more, I am thinking her contract with Faux, might prohibit her from endorsing, given that she is a paid political contributor.
I know that both Hannity and Greta continue to pose the endorsement question to her, so that leaves me puzzled...!
“Santorum lost his US Senate race in PA by 17 or 18 points to the democrat Bob Casey. I dont believe hes the strongest candidate to head the GOP ticket.”
Therefore we must back/endorse “Mrit Romnry”.
No problem. There was a story yesterday said few single women turn out to vote.
Where in the He// did you get that?
What’s the matter with you?
Look at your comments on this thread!
You’re all over the place.
Really? I do not see such. Remember Todd went rouge.
I’m just thinking Todd didn’t go “roque”— I doubt that Todd doesn’t do much that doesn’t further Sarah. She resigns, campaigns for Newt, acepts Sec of Energy, serves for 2 years, helps Alaska with energy percs— then, beats that Dem who is coming up for Senator in 2014.
How’s that for rose-colored optimism, Onyx. -:)
Most of these early primary states no longer have the "winner take all" and even though Romney was close to tying in IA and went on to win NH, he failed to draw 75% in IA and a bit more in NH, he still only has about 12 delegates - and that's a very long way from winning this nomination.
NH should never be referred to as a "Republican" Primary as everyone who showed up to vote got a ballot so this really isn't a "Republican" Primary at all. Witness NH giving it to McLame last time to push him ahead of the rest of the pack, that after Huckabee took IA. Why should only two tiny divergent states determine a candidate for the entire Republican Party?
Thankfully no longer "winner take all" primaries around the country and even on Super Tuesday, it'll be difficult for one candidate to sweep everything, and that's not until March!
A clean family man with no management experience and a lack luster career -- who got tossed out by voters in his own state last time -- will be hamburger when put through Obama's viscous, billion dollar meat grinder.
We need someone who has a record of surviving in the mine field and live fire range to come.
We need a tough, Ginghis Khan like warrior.
Call him Gingrich Can.
Santorum had his day in the sun.
Conservative? Rick may be that at home, but his record states differently.
Well, all right!!! We like optimism, particulary late at night.
Helps bring on the sweet dreams!
There could be a conservative in the White House, but conservatives need to make up their mind. Voting for Perry is throwing a vote away. Sorry, but he’s not coming back and even if you agree with him, most people don’t want to go back into Iraq. If you vote for Perry, that’s one more vote Romney doens’t have to get to beat Newt or Rick. So it’s either Newt or Rick. I am for Newt. We know he’s going get pummeled with negative ads from Obama, but so is Romney. With Newt we already know it. With Santorum, they’re going to try to scare everyone that he’s too extreme and it will work unfortunately. In the end, we’ll be happy we have Newt on that stage debating Obama. He’ll be talking about Saul Alinsky and educate the country on what kind of radical they elected.
At least Snarlin' Arlen voted to confirm Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito. What did Newtie get for his endorsement for Scuzzyflava??? Oh yea...ZIP, ZERO, NADA!
Thats a good one. But not even in the top 20 of what he has said.
You can’t bury Newt’s flip-flop record deep enough to make him an equal to Santorum’s strong, steady record on conservative values.
I know...he’s made some seriously outrageous statements that should shock voters when/if they sift through the campaign spin and find out for themselves.
Newt’s “Top Twenty”....
1. Right to Life -
Asked in an interview on the CBS News program Face the Nation, whether he agreed with Republicans who oppose Federal abortion payments in cases of rape or incest or to protect the life of a mother, Mr. Gingrich said: No. First of all, I think you should have funding in the case of rape or incest or life of the mother, which is the first step.
2. Newt is all for big government spending...earmarks SPIKED under his leadership. Hes not a fiscal conservative.
3. Newt supported and promoted the same government one-payer mandate supported by Obama:
4. Newt pushed for a Department of Homeland Security 5-days after 9-11, proof that it was conceived long before 9-11:
5. In 2003, Newt wanted the limit the Patriot Act....
But recently, he wanted the powers of the patriot act expanded:
6. Newt supported aid to ALL the good commies...
- Big supporter of Foreign Aid even to Soviets through the Export-Import Bank.
- In one year (1994-1995) Gingrich voted for nearly $45 billion in foreign aid.
- He helped push through Federally-funded loan guarantees to Communist China.
7. Newt endorses Dede Scozzafava (at least Snarlin Arlen voted for conservative judges)...
8. Newt supports AMNESTY for illegals...
9. Newt was fined $300,000 for ethics violations (lying to the investigators and asking others to lie for him and fraud - funneling money through a PAC). He later made a deal to make the charges dissappear...
Dont forget about the affair (During Clintons impeachment) with a staffer while his former wife was going through cancer treatment:
10. Newt was illegally for Federal ethanol subsidies, lobbied for Medicare drug subsidy, and took several million from Freddie Mac.
11. Newt supported spending $30B for the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 that shackled gun owners with new restrictions, federalized a number of crimes, and handed the feds police powers that the Constitution reserves to the states.
12. 04/02/1987 Newt cosponsored the 1987 Fairness Doctrine (anti 1st Amendment legislation)
13. Self Defense -
In 1996, Newt Gingrich turned his back on guns and voted for the anti-gun Brady Campaigns Lautenberg Gun Ban, which strips the Second Amendment rights of citizens involved in misdemeanor domestic violence charges or temporary protection orders - in some cases for actions as minor as spanking a child or grabbing a spouses wrist.(1)
14. Newt Gingrich: Hillary Clinton Terrific Defense Secretary
15. Newt: Hillary Is the Most Effective Candidate
16. Newt: Hillary shows courage, integrity
17. Oddly, Hillary and, Yes, Newt Agree to Agree
18. Newt & Nancy....Gorebull Warming
19. Newt Gingrich Al Sharpton Education Tour
20. Political Chameleon Newt Gingrich Has a History of Working with Democrats
” I was at the event tonight. “ <<<
” Santorum went around the room shaking hands like he didnt care if he was in the room or not. Not even a smile or a thank you for coming. “ <<<
Santorum had a talk with Reality, perhaps, and is getting the picture. Gingrich is now the non-Romney with the surge, not Santorum, and finally Newt has the money to defend himself against Romney for awhile; not so much for Santorum. Gingrich was destroyed by Romney $$$ in Iowa leaving the weak three (Huntsman, Perry and Santorum) the run of the pasture, in which Rick had been doing all the grazing for a year. An easy win for him over those three and Newt listing in the bay.
How special. Your Marxist sourced opinion pieces on Newt are certainly one’s I take to the bank, and love the abortion one, from 1995! NINETEEN-NINETY-FIVE! More please. I’m dyin’ here. LOL!!!
Newt’s flip-flop record and Rick’s steadiness? What universe are you living in?
Is Rick for or against Free Trade? What does his voting record say? What does his rhetoric say?
Is Rick for or against Right-To-Work? What does his voting record say? What does his rhetoric say?
Is Rick for or against deficit spending? What does his voting record say? What does his rhetoric say?
Is Rick for or against TARP? What does his voting record say? What does his rhetoric say?
Is Rick for or against Affirmative Action? What does his voting record say? What does his rhetoric say?
Is Rick for or against School Choice? What does his voting record say? What does his rhetoric say?
Is Rick for or against farm subsidies? What does his voting record say? What does his rhetoric say?
Is Rick for or against Campaign Finance Reform? What does his voting record say? What does his rhetoric say?
Is Rick for or against minimum wage increases? What does his voting record say? What does his rhetoric say?
Is he for or against the Federal government seizing private land? What does his voting record say? What does his rhetoric say?
Rick’s list of flip-flop is MILES long. He is also for big, BIG, B-I-G Government:
- Voted for Perscription Drug Benefit mandate.
- Endorsed Arlen Spector.
- Agreed with Newt on illegal immigration when Newt mentioned his limited amnesty.
- Voted for the Gun Manufacturers Liability Act of 1994 prohibiting the sale of hand guns with safety devices.
- Voted against Death Tax repeal in 2003.
- Voted for the federal regulation of farms requiring that large farms construct animal waste treatment facilities.
- Voted for Bushs’ No Child Left Behind and other national testing initiatives.
- Voted for afirmative action (later voted against it).
- Voted for Minimum Wage increases (Flipped on this several times).
- Voted for federal funds for military operations in Bosnia.
- Voted to cut Trident II D-5 missles several times.
- Voted against the elimiation of the National Endowment for the Arts funding numerous times.
- Voted to seize private property to designate 7 million acres of Cal. desert as a wilderness area.
- Voted against the first amendment and for lobbying restrictions and regulations.
- Voted for the Motor Voter law several times.
- Voted to limit Striker Replacement of union thugs.
- Voted on the FY 94 Clinton budget, which contained at that time the largest tax increase in U.S. history.
- Voted against SDI several times.
- Voted against Hunter amendment that sought to require the Defense Department to ask individuals entering the armed forces if they are homosexuals. (He later switched to the more conservative position on this).
- Voted against school choice early in his career. (He later switched to the more conservative position on this).
- Voted against both the 1991, 1992 spending freeze and voted for numerous large Bush II Budgets.
- Voted for tabaco tax increases (1998).
- Voted against the exemption of banks with assets of less than $250 million from the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act (1998).
- Voted for the Chemical Weapons Treaty of 1997 that the ACU said, “violated U.S. constitutional protections against unreasonable search and seizure, ceded U.S. national sovereignty to international agencies, and threatened U.S. defense forces”.
- Voted for Kassenbaum amendment to the Ryan White Reauthorization which allowed for funds to be used to promote homosexuality or intravenous drug use.
- Voted for the 2005 highway bill that included thousands of wasteful earmarks, including the Bridge to Nowhere.
- Voted to continue funding the Bridge to Nowhere rather than send the money to rebuild New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.
- Sponsored a bill to extend milk subsidies in 2005, which he claimed he did to save countless Pennsylvania dairy farmers.
Some additional points from here:
- A prolific supporter of earmarks, having requested billions of dollars for pork projects in Pennsylvania while he was in Congress. Perhaps recognizing the sign of the times, Santorum finally reversed his position in 2010, saying that he was opposed to them , but one must remain skeptical about his sincerity. As recently as 2009, he said, Im not saying necessarily earmarks are bad. I have had a lot of earmarks. In fact, Im very proud of all the earmarks Ive put in bills. Ill defend earmarks.
- An examination of his scores in the NTU rating of Congress shows that Santorum compiled a very strong record on taxes and spending in the first four years of each of his two Senate terms, then a sharp swing to below the Senate Republican average in the Congress before his reelection campaign.
- In the 2003-2004 session of Congress, Santorum sponsored or cosponsored 51 bills to increase spending, and failed to sponsor or co-sponsor even one spending cut proposal. In his last Congress (2005-2006), he had one of the biggest spending agendas of any Republican — sponsoring more spending increases than Republicans Lisa Murkowski, Lincoln Chafee and Thad Cochran or Democrats Herb Kohl, Evan Bayh and Ron Wyden.
- Santorum also supported raising congressional pay at least three times, in 2001, 2002, and 2003.
- He voted NO on raising the minimum wage in 1995 and 2005. But on the same day he voted NO in 2005, he sponsored an amendment that would increase the minimum wage, which he later boasted about to skeptical voters in a 2006 campaign brochure he released called 50 Things You Didnt Know About Rick Santorum.
- In the same 50 Things campaign brochure, Santorum boasts about sponsoring a bill to regulate price gouging and unfair pricing by the big oil companies. This contradicts his opposition to a windfall profits tax that Democrats tried to impose on oil companies in 2005. He also voted YES on Sarbanes-Oxley, which was an overreaching bill that tried to tighten accounting regulations following the Enron scandal.
Newtie wants to run on his “conservative record” from the 80’s upon Reagan’s coat-tails, yet were not supposed to pay attention to anything he’s done since leaving office in disgrace. But keep thinking it was those “nasty ads” that causes Newt to be unable to connect to values voters....that’ll win the day!
Santorum isn’t going to win this nomination and is only dividing the conservative vote.
Now, as I was saying....back to that Cynthia McKinney support. Is she a Constitutionalist too?
Yes, and when Romney wins the nomination you Santorum guys will sit there with a large grin on your faces.
Thanks for the information.
May God guide our course.
On your laundry list, including abortion, Newt is Catholic. He said tonight he would press for “personhood” from conception. He has said the same on other occasions. Your opposition research of 1995 is just so, well, so
“yesterday”, to the extreme. He calls spades on Obama, as a Saul Alinsky radical. Works for me. Santorum can’t even take on Romney, nevermind Obama.
*Yawn* I know a conservative stands in the way of “your guy” who’s been running in the back of the pack. The ONLY way Newt wins is with Santorum out. You’ve made that abundantly clear. I know how upsetting it must be to have Santorum making steady gains even when Newties join the Paultards, Mittwits, and DNC media to take him out of the race.
Does Newt take a public stand to advocate for Pro-life? Nope, he’s too busy lobbying for all the things Obama supports...Gorebull warming, Tarp, Single Payer Government-mandated healthcare, Ethanol subsidies and kissing up to the likes of Pelosi, Hillary, Jean-Fraud Kerry, or the race-baiting poverty pimp Al Sharpton.
Let’s let the clean family man win for a change.
Yeah, would it kill us to have a man trustworthy enough by his wife and kids as President?
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