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Would a Vote for a Member of a Cult to be President help Legitimise their Cult?
Amerisrael ^

Posted on 01/21/2012 7:44:29 AM PST by Amerisrael

That's probably a better question to ask than the one posed by George Handlery over at the Brussels Journal:

"Would a Mormon President Subvert American Democracy?"

Handlery writes the following:

["What follows below is not a Romney-fan’s propaganda. Actually, my favorite used to be another aspirant. The LDS affiliation of Mitt Romney exposes us again to the temptation to make religion into a criterion for picking a candidate."

"Now then, the theological validity of Mormonism’s version of Christianity is beyond my competence and my interest. To many, the implications of a President embracing that creed are of concern."

"However, American public life and her high-level politics have created indicators that Mormons will not kidnap America and replace its system with their theocracy."]

"...Mormons will not kidnap America and replace its system with their theocracy."]

Most likely not.

But is that why many would be concerned over voting for Romney?

Aside from Romney's Mormonism many question whether he is a valid conservative.

But back to the Mormonism.

It is most likely not out of a concern that America's democracy would be subverted , but perhaps instead, indirectly helping to legitimise a cult religion that is the cruxt of concern for many. 

Handlery concludes his article with this:

["...What matters to me now that a Mormon has become a candidate for the Presidency is that, the faith not only teaches values, its adherents live by them."

"Good Mormons work hard, try to measure up to constructive norms, and are reliable. That amounts to a strategy that results in worldly achievement."

"Even so, being a Mormon is a bad rationale to elect someone. However, LDS membership does not amount to a reasonable or a fair reason to deny such person one's vote...."]

"However, LDS membership does not amount to a reasonable or a fair reason to deny such person one's vote...."

Perhaps the reason why Handlery adapts that view is because of what else he wrote:

["Now then, the theological validity of Mormonism’s version of Christianity is beyond my competence and my interest."]

That's the problem Driscol puts a spotlight on:

In his blog article "Is Mormonism a cult?", Mark Driscol noted the following:

["... but in that it, Mormonism] claims Christianity while subtly subverting it in both practice and theology."

"Because it claims to be Christian, uses Christian language, but is antithetical Christianity, it must be labeled a cult theologically. "

"Of course, the trouble is that most people are not Christians, do not understand the differences between Mormon and Christian doctrine, and are therefore confused or upset to hear Mormonism labelled a cult, as it simply sounds cruel."

"What makes matters even worse is when presumably orthodox Christian leaders add to the confusion by essentially declaring Mormonism as a new form of Christianity."

"While it is understandable that the average non-Christian, and many Christians, don’t understand the ways in which Mormonism uses Christian terms while importing them into non-Christian meaning, it’s incumbent for Christian leaders to act like shepherds and warn the sheep about the wolves."

["... but in that it, Mormonism] claims Christianity while subtly subverting it in both practice and theology."]

Most Christians that are informed and studied about Mormonism, probably don't think Mormons are out to subvert American democracy. But rather Christianity. 

To that end, would the election of a Mormon to be President help to legitimise the Mormon cult?


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: cults; mormonism; romney; romneybotzot; vote
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To: Amerisrael

Would a Vote for a Member of a Cult to be President help Legitimise their Cult?


I know people that won’t vote for a Catholic for the same reason...they sure hate them Papists...


21 posted on 01/21/2012 8:42:11 AM PST by magritte
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To: magritte

There are people who wont vote for Noahides either.


22 posted on 01/21/2012 8:48:44 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Amerisrael

Well it hasn’t helped to legitimize Black Liberation Theology (Barry’s cult).

http://stopobamanowsd.wordpress.com/white-genocide/


23 posted on 01/21/2012 8:51:34 AM PST by loveitor.. ("I will leave with the greatest love for this country of ours..." Ronald Reagan)
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To: NavyCanDo
Why is it that on another FR thread about Elizabeth Smart (A Mormon) that there is nothing but blessings and kind words, and wishes for a long and happy marriage for the young lady, and no mention of her religion? I think if we want to be consistent we need to focus on why we really don’t support Romney, and it’s not his religion. Because we can love Elizabeth and dislike Romney shows the real truth. His religion is a non-factor.

There is no contradiction here. I wish Mitt Romney blessings and kind words for a long and happy marriage too. But when he, or Elizabeth Smart, throws a hat in the ring, I want to know everything I can about them. Policy positions, character, belief systems (faith as well as ideology), leadership styles, presentation style, intelligence, conflicts of interest, etc. It all matters. It may be that I would not assign equal weight to every fact I learn about a candidate, but it all matters.

24 posted on 01/21/2012 9:12:31 AM PST by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: Astronaut

I agree with you. I am a Christian but don’t believe that only Christians have a right to believe in a God. Mormons are free to believe what they want. Attacking a candidate because of his religion wouldn’t look so great to Christians if their candidate was attacked simply for being a Christian.


25 posted on 01/21/2012 9:41:50 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: raybbr
Christianity and mormonISM are not the same.

No one is saying mormons they can't beleive what they want, they do not however teach a belief in A God but godS.

26 posted on 01/21/2012 9:58:45 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: svcw

Lol...doubt you could find more than a handful of people that know what a Noahide is. It’s much easier to spot religious bigots, wouldn’t you agree?


27 posted on 01/21/2012 10:08:34 AM PST by magritte
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To: magritte

Yep, every time I see one of your posts.


28 posted on 01/21/2012 10:28:22 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: svcw
...they do not however teach a belief in A God but godS.

So what? I don't care. How do Mormon's beliefs affect you?

29 posted on 01/21/2012 11:23:47 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: raybbr

It does not effect me personally, my soul is secure.
However, mormonISM will effect the souls of others - it is an eternal issue.
As Christians we are to expose false prophets, and lay open the lies which are contrary to Biblical principles, so I guess in that respect I am effected.


30 posted on 01/21/2012 11:37:03 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Amerisrael

I’m not voting for “National Preacher”; I’m voting for “President”. Why should I care which flavor of Christianity a candidate believes in?

That being said, Romney has a laundry list of deficiencies based on his *political* philosophy and history. Honestly, his religion should be the very last consideration - presuming it should even be considered at all.

Except fanatical moose-limbs. That’s one justifiable use-case for considering religion first.


31 posted on 01/21/2012 11:49:08 AM PST by jaydee770
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To: svcw
It does not effect me personally, my soul is secure.

Really? Are you contacting us from Heaven.

How can one ever claim his soul is secure. You know that you will never sin again?

The audacity of that claim...

32 posted on 01/21/2012 1:05:11 PM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: jaydee770

Bishop Romney is not a Christian, he is a powerful leader in an anti-Christian cult, one that exists to convert Christians into it through deceit and using camouflage.

The Catholic church, the Greek Orthodox church, the Protestant churches, all agree that Mormonism is a non-Christian religion, created by Joseph Smith.

Mormonism is not a “flavor” of Christianity.


33 posted on 01/21/2012 2:50:31 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: raybbr

I can’t imagine a Christian who would actively, consciously, contribute to the loss of their neighbors soul.

I don’t think such a definition can exist.


34 posted on 01/21/2012 3:14:04 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: magritte

I don’t believe you, that claim was not credible.


35 posted on 01/21/2012 3:17:13 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12

You haven’t met any Baptists that think the Pope is the anti-Christ? Come to the Bible Belt...


36 posted on 01/21/2012 3:42:19 PM PST by magritte
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To: magritte

I’m a Southernor, and no, I haven’t met them.

You claimed to know people that will not vote for Newt or Santorum or anyone if they are nominated, solely because they are Catholic, I think you just made that up.


37 posted on 01/21/2012 3:56:04 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12
I can’t imagine a Christian who would actively, consciously, contribute to the loss of their neighbors soul. I don’t think such a definition can exist.

Not sure what you are getting at. I posted to another who claimed his soul was "secure". I can't imagine how a person could claim that.

There was no discussion about "a Christian who would actively, consciously, contribute to the loss of their neighbors soul". Not sure where you got that from.

38 posted on 01/21/2012 4:23:44 PM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: raybbr

Mormonism is an anti-Christian cult which strives to deceive Christians and lure them away from Christianity, that is why Mormons require a Christian to become baptized into their no-Christian religion.

When a person takes an active roll in defending Mormonism against Christians on a thread, then they are not merely watching, they are actively, consciously, contributing, to what Mormonism does, which is to destroy souls.

This Mormonism cult thing is not a joke, or to be taken lightly, this is the most serious business of our existence.


39 posted on 01/21/2012 4:39:36 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12

That’s your prerogative, sport. Half the crap I see in the Religion forum is total BS, so I understand your position. Anonymous forums are always full of liars.


40 posted on 01/21/2012 4:58:02 PM PST by magritte
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