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The greatest threat facing mankind is...
Faith, Reason and Health Blog ^ | 01/22/12 | Various

Posted on 01/22/2012 4:54:42 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM

Sunday, January 22, 2012

The greatest threat facing mankind is...

The greatest threat facing mankind is NOT anthropogenic "climate change."

Nor is it anthropogenic environmental damage.

It most certainly is not "overpopulation." Neither is it "peak oil." Nor is it food shortages.

The greatest threat facing mankind is, however, "anthropogenic."


Because the greatest threat facing mankind is the general failure of mankind to reproduce:



Fewer tells a monumental human story, largely ignored, but which promises to starkly change the human condition in the years to come. Never before have birth and fertility rates fallen so far, so fast, so low, for so long, in so many places, so surprisingly. In Fewer, Ben Wattenberg shows how and why this has occurred, and explains what it means for the future. The demographic plunge, he notes, is starkly apparent in the developed nations of Europe and Japan, which will lose about 150 million people in the next half century. Starting from higher levels, but moving with geometric speed, the demographic decline is also apparent in the less developed nations of Asia, Africa, and Latin America. Only the United States (so far) has been exempt from the birth dearth, leaving America as more than "the sole super-power." Perhaps it should be called the global "omni-power." These stark demographic changes will affect commerce, the environment, public financing, and geo-politics. Here Wattenberg lists likely winners and losers. In Wattenberg's world of "The New Demography" readers get a look at a topic often chattered about, but rarely understood.


You’ve heard about the Death of the West. But the Muslim world is on the brink of an even greater collapse. WILL WE GO DOWN IN THE IMPLOSION? Thanks to collapsing birthrates, much of Europe is on a path of willed self-extinction. The untold story is that birthrates in Muslim nations are declining faster than anywhere else—at a rate never before documented. Europe, even in its decline, may have the resources to support an aging population, if at a terrible economic and cultural cost. But in the impoverished Islamic world, an aging population means a civilization on the brink of total collapse— something Islamic terrorists know and fear. Muslim decline poses new threats to America, challenges we cannot even understand, much less face effectively, without a wholly new kind of political analysis that explains how desperate peoples and nations behave. In How Civilizations Die, David P. Goldman—author of the celebrated “Spengler” column read by intelligence organizations worldwide—reveals how, almost unnoticed, massive shifts in global power are remaking our future.


Remarkably, most conventional wisdom about the shifting balance of world power virtually ignores one of the most fundamental components of power: population. The studies that do consider international security and demographic trends almost unanimously focus on population growth as a liability. In contrast, the distinguished contributors to this volume—security experts from the Naval War College, the American Enterprise Institute, and other think tanks—contend that demographic decline in key world powers now poses a profound challenge to global stability. The countries at greatest risk are in the developed world, where birthrates are falling and populations are aging. Many have already lost significant human capital, capital that would have helped them innovate and fuel their economy, man their armed forces, and secure a place at the table of world power. By examining the effects of diverging population trends between the United States and Europe and the effects of rapid population aging in Japan, India, and China, this book uncovers increasing tensions within the transatlantic alliance and destabilizing trends in Asian security. Thus, it argues, relative demographic decline may well make the world less, and not more, secure.


Overpopulation has long been a global concern. But between modern medicine and reduced fertility, world population may in fact be shrinking--and is almost certain to do so by the time today's children retire. The troubling implications for our economy and culture include:* The possibility of a fundamentalist revival due to the decline of secular fertility* The threat to the free market as the supply of workers and consumers declines* The eventual collapse of the American health care system as inordinate expenses are incurred by an aging populationPhillip Longman's uncompromisingly sensible solutions fly in the face of traditional ideas. State intervention is necessary, he argues, to combat the effects of an aging population. We must provide incentives for young families, and we cannot close our eyes and hope for the best as an entire generation approaches retirement age.The Empty Cradle changes the terms of one of the most important environmental, economic, and social debates of our day.


The world's population is still growing, thanks to rising longevity. But fertility rates - the average number of children born per woman - are falling nearly everywhere. More and more adults are deciding to have fewer and fewer children. Worldwide, reports the UN, there are 6 million fewer babies and young children today than there were in 1990. By 2015, according to one calculation, there will be 83 million fewer. By 2025, 127 million fewer. By 2050, the world's supply of the youngest children may have plunged by a quarter of a billion, and will amount to less than 5 percent of the human family. The reasons for this birth dearth are many. Among them: As the number of women in the workforce has soared, many have delayed marriage and childbearing, or decided against them altogether. The Sexual Revolution, by making sex readily available without marriage, removed what for many men had been a powerful motive to marry. Skyrocketing rates of divorce have made women less likely to have as many children as in generations past. Years of indoctrination about the perils of "overpopulation" have led many couples to embrace childlessness as a virtue. Result: a dramatic and inexorable aging of society. In the years ahead, the ranks of the elderly are going to swell to unprecedented levels, while the number of young people continues to dwindle. The working-age population will shrink, first in relation to the population of retirees, then in absolute terms. A world without children will be a poorer world - grayer, lonelier, less creative, less confident. Children are a great blessing, but it may take their disappearance for the world to remember why.



Demographic Winter: Decline of the Human Family (DVD/ Documentary) by Rick Stout

Product Overview One of the most ominous events of modern history is quietly unfolding. Social scientists and economists agree - we are headed toward a demographic winter which threatens to have catastrophic social and economic consequences. The effects will be severe and long lasting and are already becoming manifest in much of Europe.

A groundbreaking film, Demographic Winter: Decline of the Human Family, reveals in chilling soberness how societies with diminished family influence are now grimly seen as being in social and economic jeopardy.

Demographic Winter draws upon experts from all around the world - demographers, economists, sociologists, psychologists, civic and religious leaders, parliamentarians and diplomats. Together, they reveal the dangers facing society and the world’s economies, dangers far more imminent than global warming and at least as severe. These experts will discuss how:


The “population bomb” not only did not have the predicted consequences, but almost all of the developed countries of the world are now experiencing fertility rates far below replacement levels. Birthrates have fallen so low that even immigration cannot replace declining populations, and this migration is sapping strength from developing countries, the fertility rates for many of which are now falling at a faster pace than did those of the developed countries.

The economies of the world will continue to contract as the “human capital” spoken of by Nobel Prize winning economist Gary Becker, diminishes. The engines of commerce will be strained as the workers of today fail to replace themselves and are burdened by the responsibility to support an aging population.

Government programs will slow-bleed by the decrease in tax dollars received from an ever shrinking work force. The skyrocketing ratio of the old retirees to the young workers will render current-day social security systems completely unable to support the aging population.

Our attempts to modernize through social engineering policies and programs have left children growing up in broken homes, with absentee parents and little exposure to extended family, disconnected from the generations, and these children are experiencing severe psychological, sociological and economic consequences. The intact family’s immeasurable role in the development and prosperity of human societies is crumbling.

The influence of social and economic problems on ever shrinking, increasingly disconnected generations will compound and accelerate the deterioration. Our children and our children’s children will bear the economic and social burden of regenerating the “human capital” that accounts for 80% of wealth in the economy, and they will be ill-equipped to do so.

Is there a “tipping point”, after which the accelerating consequences will make recovery impossible without complete social and economic collapse? Even the experts can’t tell us how far we can go down this road, oblivious to the outcomes, until we reach a point where sliding into the void becomes unpreventable.


Only if the political incorrectness of talking about the natural family within policy circles is overcome will solutions begin to be found. These solutions will necessarily result in policy changes, changes that will support and promote the natural, intact family.

Just as it took the cumulative involvement of activist organizations, policy makers, the business world and the media to create the unintended consequences we are beginning to experience, so it will take the holistic contribution of all of these entities, together with civic and religious organizations, to change the hearts and minds of all of society to bring about a reversal.

It may be too late to avoid some very severe consequences, but with effort we may be able to preclude calamity. Demographic Winter lays out a forthright province of discussion. The warning voices in this film need to be heard before a silent, portentous fall turns into a long, hard winter.



Demography is destiny. But not always in the way we imagine, begins Pearce (When the Rivers Run Dry) in his fascinating analysis of how global population trends have shaped, and been shaped by, political and cultural shifts. He starts with Robert Malthus, whose concept of overpopulation—explicitly of the uneducated and poor classes—and depleted resources influenced two centuries of population and environmental theory, from early eugenicists (including Margaret Sanger) to the British colonial administrators presiding over India and Ireland. Pearce examines the roots of the incipient crash in global population in decades of mass sterilizations and such government interventions as Mao's one child program. Many nations are breeding at less then replacement numbers (including not only the well-publicized crises in Western Europe and Japan, but also Iran, Australia, South Africa, and possibly soon China and India). Highly readable and marked by first-class reportage, Pearce's book also highlights those at the helm of these vastly influential decisions—the families themselves, from working-class English families of the industrial revolution to the young women currently working in the factories of Bangladesh.


What is the impact of demographics on the prospective production of military power and the causes of war? This monograph analyzes this issue by projecting working-age populations through 2050; assessing the influence of demographics on manpower, national income and expenditures, and human capital; and examining how changes in these factors may affect the ability of states to carry out military missions. It also looks at some implications of these changes for other aspects of international security. The authors find that the United States, alone of all the large affluent nations, will continue to see (modest) increases in its working-age population thanks to replacement-level fertility rates and a likely return to vigorous levels of immigration. Meanwhile, the working-age populations of Europe and Japan are slated to fall by as much as 10 to 15 percent by 2030 and as much as 30 to 40 percent by 2050. The United States will thus account for a larger percentage of the population of its Atlantic and Pacific alliances; in other words, the capacity of traditional alliances to multiply U.S. demographic power is likely to decline, perhaps sharply, through 2050. India's working-age population is likely to overtake China's by 2030. The United States, which has 4.7 percent of the world's working-age population, will still have 4.3 percent by 2050, and the current share of global gross domestic product accounted for by the U.S. economy is likely to stay quite high.

And the primary means by which mankind has stopped reproducing are abortifacient hormonal contraceptives and abortion itself.

Martin Luther called the "Sin of Onan" marital sodomy. In the Judeo-Christian and Natural Law tradition, any sex act made deliberately infecund is no better than sodomy.


So in considering the greatest threats facing mankind, one must also consider this:

In Depth Analysis

Crying to Heaven for Vengeance


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The Bible mentions only four sins which cry out to God for vengeance. Considering the source and the emphasis, we have little choice but to examine our consciences on these points. A cursory examination will not do; we must cast off our cultural preconceptions to see beyond the obvious.

Homicide
And the Lord said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to me from the ground.” (Gn 4:10) It is hardly suprising that Cain’s murder of Abel provides the first instance of one of these sins that cries out for Divine vengeance. While all sins disrupt the natural order in some way, those enumerated as crying out to God appear to be chosen because they strike at nature’s root.


It is easy to see how murder fits into this category. The unjust termination of the life of another is a profound violation of “how things should be” precisely because our very nature compels us to regard our own lives as precious. To take a person's life is to terminate in another what we instinctively regard as our own highest good.


Sadly, the ease with which we understand the foulness of murder may be conditioned more by our culture than by Divine Revelation. We must take care that we do not find it abhorrent only insofar as we are creatures of society, rather than creatures of God.

Abortion is a case in point.
Sodomy


Then the Lord said, “Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great and their sin is very grave, I will go down to see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry which has come to me.” (Gn 18:20-21) The inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah were guilty of homosexual activity. So far gone were they in this vice that the men of the town would not even accept heterosexual license with Lot’s daughters, both virgins, as a means of sating their lust (see 19:8-9).


Here we have another case in point for cultural conditioning. It is far more difficult for our contraceptive culture to see how contrary to nature homosexuality is. Those of us who instinctively feel its deep unnaturalness rightly react to homosexual activity with disgust, but logical arguments are unlikely to produce the same reaction in those whose instincts are damaged, blunted or rationalized away.

It is precisely in such situations that Divine Revelation is so very useful, for we cannot trust our feelings when they run counter to reality. We require a better guide. Sodomy strikes at the root of human nature because of its perversion of the procreative impulse, without which the race must die. But in case we don’t see it, God does.

Oppression of Widows and Orphans

“You shall not afflict any widow or orphan. If you do afflict them, and they cry out to me, I will surely hear their cry.” (Ex 21-23) There is a deep truth in this passage about the relationships of husbands to wives, and of parents to children, and about how vulnerable wives and children become when their natural protection is removed.


Very probably all of us can see that it would be gravely sinful to take advantage of the weakness and vulnerability of either a widow or an orphan, and we can readily imagine the financial burdens and solicitation of “favors” with which either can be afflicted. It is much easier in every way to abuse a boy or girl who has no father and to intimidate a woman who has no husband.

Once again, however, we must remove our social blinders to see the great evil in our culture which turns so many into widows and orphans in the first place. The grave sin of divorce, by which natural protection is ripped away from women and children, surely tops the list of horrors under this heading.

Cheating Laborers of Their Due


“You shall not oppress a hired servant who is poor and needy, whether he is one of your brethren or one of the sojourners who are in your land within your towns; you shall give him his hire on the day he earns it, before the sun goes down (for he is poor, and sets his heart upon it); lest he cry against you to the Lord, and it be a sin in you.” (Dt 24:14-15) Here we come to a principle of sound social order: those in positions of authority and wealth have serious obligations to those who depend on their decisions for their well-being. Fortunately, we live in a very wealthy society.

But does our very wealth cause this sin to appear irrelevant? Free enterprise is an excellent system, but too often it carries the completely unnecessary baggage of a callous attitude toward employees, regarding them as commodities. The social teachings of the Church have attempted to address this concern (without pointing at all toward socialism) for over a century.

Yet the latest trend, at least in the United States, is constant mergers and buyouts which throw hundreds of thousands out of work while enriching an elite few. Even temporary unemployment is both a bank-breaker and a heart-breaker. Working under an abusive or negligent boss can be a living nightmare. And most of us are well-shielded from adults who must work for a minimal wage. The Israelites were urged to remember their days in Egypt, and treat others accordingly.

Together and In Order

All of these sins cry out to God, but the four are not equal. The sequence in the text suggests a hierarchy of value, and it is a tightly linked hierarchy. One sin leads to another, from the gravest to the least, as we make objects out of persons and treat them accordingly, subverting all our natural relationships. For this reason, we cannot assuage our consciences by attending to the fourth sin while ignoring the first, or by claiming virtue on the third and closing our eyes to the second. If these sins cry out to God for vengeance and we still commit them or do nothing to restrict them in others, we mock God to His face. Of course, when we’re wearing our usual cultural blinders, it often appears to us that we can mock God with impunity. But isn’t this something else we know from Revelation—in case we cannot see it for ourselves?

The Obama administration would do well to recall these foundational principles before trying to force the only Church in the world still fighting for the future of humanity, and against this greatest threat to it, to cave in and pay for contraception and abortifacients:


Obama administration is taking a wrong-headed line with the church

Forcing contraception insurance coverage goes too far

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Sunday, January 22 2012, 4:10 AM

Archbishop Timothy Dolan has lambasted the Obama administration for putting health care policy ahead of deeply held moral teachings.

Louis Lanzano/AP

Archbishop Timothy Dolan has lambasted the Obama administration for putting health policy ahead of moral teachings.

Excerpt:


President Obama’s health chief decreed Friday that the Catholic Church must provide its employees with health insurance coverage for contraception, its moral stance against birth control be damned.

Wrong, wrong, high-handedly, obtusely wrong.

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius took Obamacare’s philosophy of equal insurance for all to a level of zealotry that reduced a deeply held matter of conscience to a bothersome trifle.

Presumably, the President was fully briefed on a decision of this magnitude. If so, he made a fundamental error that will only add to a sense among many faith-based communities that the White House has a thing against religion.

It was less than two weeks ago that the Supreme Court unanimously and thunderingly scolded the administration for trying to tell churches and church-based organization that the government knew best as to who they could hire and fire.

Because of the church’s size and reach, Sebelius’ ruling will apply most broadly to Catholic organizations, but they apply to affiliates of other religions that bar contraception and sterilization.



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To: allmendream

Ad hominem is a poor substitute for debating skills, but it is certainly common among those who are losing or cannot grasp the basic concepts and facts of the debate.


121 posted on 01/24/2012 10:19:04 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
No, I am pointing out that a slightly lower birth rate among 7 billion people still adds one billion people faster than a higher birth rate among 6 billion people gets you an additional billion.

Despite lower birth rates, the increase in human population is still accelerating - with the time between 6 billion and 7 billion being shorter than the time it took for human population to grow from 5 billion to 6 billion - and projections are that we will grow up to 8 billion DESPITE A DECREASE in birth rates even FASTER than it took for us to get to 7 billion.

58% of the world's population live in countries with ABOVE replacement fertility rates - often dramatically well above replacement rates.

If this trend towards lower birth rates continues at the same rate for the next 40 years (a rather dubious proposition) - the world population in 2050 will start to decline.

That is a long way off and by then we may well reach 9 billion people or higher - and absent better ways to sustain this population - a reduction to 8 billion might be a good thing.

People have more children when children are necessary and desirable. It is simple economics. When having children is needed, humans will rise to the occasion. Until then we live in a world with 7 billion people, rapidly becoming a world with 8 billion people.

Good luck beating the drums on the danger of underpopulation in a world with 9 billion people!

And illegal immigrants are an economic drain on these United States - so sad that your delusion has spread over into that area as well.

122 posted on 01/24/2012 10:23:33 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Yes, ad hominem is a poor substitute for actually debating the issues.

That is why I ignored your idiotic insults that suggested that I did not understand the material because I came to a different conclusion that you did - because all it suggested to me is your inability to grasp the basic concepts and facts of the debate in favor of your blind adherence to religious dogma.

An adherence to religious dogma so pervasive that you are actually delusional enough to suggest the extra population of illegal immigrants is an economic boon to these United States.

That is so far counter to reality that it shows just how far out in left field your religious dogma has led you.

123 posted on 01/24/2012 10:28:54 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
Glad to see you are starting to grasp the fundamentals of the debate, even if, to save face, you must once again conclude your post with ad hominem.

That's progress. In these times of eclipse of reason, we take what we can get with the stubborn ones ;-)

124 posted on 01/24/2012 10:31:30 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: allmendream
a reduction to 8 billion might be a good thing.

“The answer to anyone who talks about the surplus population is to ask him, whether he is part of the surplus population; or if not, how he knows he is not.” [1925]

~~G. K. Chesterton

125 posted on 01/24/2012 10:48:55 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Yes, your reason is eclipsed by religious dogma and you are unable to speak to the issues without betraying your lack of class and debating skills with an ad hominem suggestion that it is I who am just starting to grasp the fundamentals of the debate.

It is you, need I remind you, who took exception to me pointing out that human population was expanding, after you admitted that it was doing so and was likely to rise to 8 or even 9 billion! Talk about not being able to put forth a cogent and consistent argument!

But good luck with your religious delusions - I hope you can really get people to listen in this world of 7 billion people rapidly becoming 8 billion!

And good luck in your fight against birth control also!

Personal freedom is obviously overrated!/s

And illegal immigrants are a valuable resource and should be encouraged to come for the economic benefit of these United States. /s

I will pray for you.

126 posted on 01/24/2012 10:49:57 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
Of course, when you started losing the debate, you entered into the ad hominem attack, labeling your opponent "delusional."

Now its clear your ad hominem was simply your anti-Catholicism peeking out.

Good day, I'll pray for you too.

127 posted on 01/24/2012 10:52:32 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
It wasn't I who had to go from explaining how ‘yes, the Earth's population is expanding’ to getting all bent out of shape about ‘expanding? are you not paying attention!’; and then back to an admission that yes indeed the Earth's population is expanding!

And you think you are winning such an argument? Calling you “delusional” is hardly an ad hominem at that point - it is an accurate assessment of reality.

I am not anti-Catholic - just against the theocratic idiocy of looking at reality through such a distorted prism that you come up with the idea that the Earth is underpopulated and illegal immigration is an economic boon to these United States.

High birth rates are the demographic model of economic basket case nations.

Lower than replacement rates are the demographic model of moribund socialist economies.

And reasonable birth rates are the demographic model of healthy Republics like our own.

That was my initial point and nothing you have said has detracted from this reality. Your inability to deal with this reality has led to you dishing out insults that your poor delicate sensibilities apparently couldn't take in return.

I am sorry that this discussion gave you a case of the vapors.

128 posted on 01/24/2012 11:12:21 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream

LOL! You give yourself far too much credit.


129 posted on 01/24/2012 11:40:42 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Once again I am forced to remind you - this isn't about me.

It is about the Earth's EXPANDING population. You acknowledge it, but when I acknowledge it you claim I haven't been paying attention. THAT right there is FUNNY.

I hope you can do better next time - a rather amateurish effort thus far - full of invective blather repetition rebuttal of your own points and a tantrum about a civility you were the first to discard.

A rather pitiful performance overall.

130 posted on 01/24/2012 12:03:00 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
It is about the Earth's EXPANDING population.

On the contrary, its about population momentum, a momentum about to be lost, at which point the poopulation will start contracting, with dire economic, social and military consequences.

You obviously still do not grasp the realities being discussed in this thread.

131 posted on 01/24/2012 12:22:16 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

No, a momentum that if a recent trend holds at an identical rate for FORTY YEARS - in 2050 or so there will be a declining population.

Until then it is about an EXPANDING population.

And how third world hell holes are not to be emulated demographically and how immigrants from said countries are NOT an economic boon to the United States.

If the expanding population of Mexico is such an economic boon to them - why do they have to have so much of their population living and working here?


132 posted on 01/24/2012 12:44:47 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
If the expanding population of Mexico is such an economic boon to them - why do they have to have so much of their population living and working here?

If the population of Mexico was still rapidly expanding, this might be an issue. But the fertility rate of Mexico has collapsed over the past generation.

And guess what?

So has the number of illegal immigrants flooding into the USA.

Look up the most recent stats.

Then you can catch up with the debate at hand.

133 posted on 01/24/2012 12:50:29 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Really? Illegal immigration into the USA has collapsed?

I still see millions of them living and working here.

Left unanswered was why, if the high birth rate was so healthy economically for Mexico - they had to export so many of them, and remain mired in poverty?

Are you saying that if they stayed and worked in Mexico the economy of Mexico wouldn't be a basket case? That is an interesting argument to make.

But really - the issue is an EXPANDING human population - and it will be for a long time even by your demographic “worst case scenario”.

The children now being born -when they grow up and have children - who then grow up and start having children sometime around 2050 - THEN there might possibly be a problem of a declining human population IF current trends remain consistent for almost 40 YEARS!

So your argument seems 40 years premature - at least.

Until such dubious scenarios as a current trend remaining consistent for 40 years play out - the current debate at hand is about an EXPANDING human population.

:)

134 posted on 01/24/2012 1:05:54 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
Will Large-Scale Illegal Immigration from Mexico Come to an End? Becker

"...The largest number of illegal immigrants enter the United States, especially from Mexico, but the number of Mexicans crossing the border illegally has apparently slowed to a trickle during the past several years...

"...Other more permanent factors have also been reducing the flow of illegal immigrants from Mexico. One important long-term force is the sharp decline in birth rates in Mexico during the past 30 years. The total fertility rate- that is, the number of children born to the average women over her lifetime- has declined in Mexico from almost 7 children in 1970 to over 3 children in 1990, and to only about 2 children at present. This means that Mexican fertility is now not any higher than American fertility, even though Mexico is much poorer..."

135 posted on 01/24/2012 1:07:11 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

my man... you got too much time on your hands...


136 posted on 01/24/2012 1:09:09 PM PST by sit-rep
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To: allmendream
You do realize the problem in Mexico is not overpopulation, but corrupt governments, right?

Right?

137 posted on 01/24/2012 1:15:48 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: allmendream
So your argument seems 40 years premature - at least.

Do you know how long/far it takes to turn an aircraft carrier? And what happens if you wait too long to turn away from underwater obstructions? At that point, no matter what you do, you hit the rocks.

Demographic trends take generations to reverse. It took generations for the fertility rate to get where it is today, and its still collapsing.

It will take generations to turn that around.

138 posted on 01/24/2012 1:21:38 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Do you know how long/far it takes to turn an aircraft carrier?

Actually, compared to a civilian cruise ship, a Nimitz-class CVN is quite manuverable.

I once saw a Youtube video of a new CVN (forget which one) suddenly turning to port during sea trials. The thing did a 90 degree turn at full speed in about 3 boat lengths. The whole deck tipped about 20-25 degrees during the turn.

It was awesome to watch. I wish I had the video link.

139 posted on 01/24/2012 1:31:30 PM PST by Gideon7
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

The high birth rate is symptomatic of their poverty, culture and corruption.

Why did their high fertility rate 7 child per woman - not lead to an economic boom for them? Why did so much of that population have to live and work in these United States?

It seems using Mexico as an example, that excess population CAN lead to an economic improvement - but only if you have them live and consume resources in another nation and repatriate those dollars back home; and even that was obviously not enough.

Why not?


140 posted on 01/24/2012 1:38:12 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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