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To: edge919
Go back and read your own posts, and that of other birthers.

You have all stated that Congress had NO power to change the rules for “Citizenship at Birth” at some time or another. That is clearly false.

Also, you can not show that Madison or any of the Founders agreed with your version of the Constitutional language.

Without defining legislation, perhaps two citizen parents were required at one time. Now we have defining legislation and such is not required.

Natural Born Citizen means Citizen at the Moment of Birth.

You can find nothing from any of delegate to the Constitutional Convention that shows:

1. Your view of Natural Born Citizen is correct, at the time of our founding.
2. Your view of Natural Born Citizen could not be changed through simple legislation, or was not changed by the 14th Amendment.

Madison WAS a delegate.
Madison WROTE most of the Constitution.

Vattel was NOT a delegate.

65 posted on 02/10/2012 9:51:18 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
You have all stated that Congress had NO power to change the rules for “Citizenship at Birth” at some time or another.

This a fabrication. If this were true, then we would all be arguing that the 14th amendment is invalid. The argument is about natural-born citizenship, not "citizenship at birth." The Supreme Court said NBC is defined OUTSIDE of the Constitution. The law can't touch this unless the Constitution is specifically amended to redefine this specific term.

Also, you can not show that Madison or any of the Founders agreed with your version of the Constitutional language.

Do you suffer from memory loss too?? I've already shown that Madison argued a combination of jus soli AND jus sanguinis to make a colleague into a citizen. How the hell does that NOT agree with the definition of NBC: born in the country to citizen parents???

Without defining legislation, perhaps two citizen parents were required at one time. Now we have defining legislation and such is not required.

There's no defining legislation for NBC. The SCOTUS affirmed this on TWO occasions.

Natural Born Citizen means Citizen at the Moment of Birth.

Wrong. NBC means "all children born in the country to parents who were its citizens." What you're citing is only a reference to an independent characterization of British common law by a legal historian. It is NOT a legal definition, and it was certainly never accepted by the court to define NBC.

You can find nothing from any of delegate to the Constitutional Convention that shows: ....

Madison is on my side. John Jay is on my side. George Washington is on my side. The historian and founding father David Ramsay is on my side. The SCOTUS is on my side ... several times over.

66 posted on 02/10/2012 10:43:41 AM PST by edge919
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