Do undocumented workers hurt or help the economy?

U.S. Catholic ^ | February 14, 2012 | Father Tom Joyce CMF

[moonshinner_09]

Catholic Church has lost it's way.They also have moral responsibility, to teach lying is wrong, using fake or stolen documents is wrong, driving without licenses and insurance is wrong.Breaking laws is wrong. Better life does not dismiss the churches moral responsibility

[Travis McGee]

I agree with you.

[MichaelCorleone]

Unauthorized immigration, huh? Try ILLEGAL.

[cripplecreek]

Unless these illegals are somehow magically living in America without using any of our taxpayer funded infrastructure, I’d have to say that they have a negative impact on our economy.

They don’t even need to vote to create new congressional districts and all the resulting costs.

[Nifster]

Exactly. And this is why the O figures he can force the Catholic Church to accept his position on birth control. The Catholic Church (and other churches) had best be careful what they agree to let the government take over. Hitler did the same thing to the Lutheran Church in the mid thirties

[cripplecreek]

Churches these days are cowed by government and need to remember their part in the American revolution.



"It was Sunday morning early in the year 1776. In the church where Pastor Muhlenberg preached, it was a regular service for his congregation, but a quite different affair for Muhlenberg himself. Muhlenberg's text for the day was Ecclesiastes 3 where it explains, 'To everything there is a season, a time for every purpose under heaven; a time to be born, and a time to die, a time to plant, and a time to pluck what is planted...'"

"Coming to the end of his sermon, Peter Muhlenberg turned to his congregation and said, 'In the language of the holy writ, there was a time for all things, a time to preach and a time to pray, but those times have passed away.' As those assembled looked on, Pastor Muhlenberg declared, 'There is a time to fight, and that time is now coming!' Muhlenberg then proceeded to remove his robes revealing, to the shock of his congregation, a military uniform."

"Marching to the back of the church he declared, 'Who among you is with me?' On that day 300 men from his church stood up and joined Peter Muhlenberg. They eventually became the 8th Virginia Brigade fighting for liberty."

"Frederick Muhlenberg, Peter's brother, was against Peter's level of involvement in the war. Peter responded to Frederick writing, 'I am a Clergyman it is true, but I am a member of the Society as well as the poorest Layman, and my Liberty is as dear to me as any man, shall I then sit still and enjoy myself at Home when the best Blood of the Covenant is spilling? ...So far am I from thinking that I act wrong, I am convinced it is my duty to do so and duly I owe to God and my country."

[detective]

This is a stupid article. The wording and the questions themselves are dishonest and deceptive.

They are not undocumented. They are illegal. They are deliberately and premeditatively breaking the law over and over again every day they are in this country. They are not immigrants they are lawbreakers.

Most of them are NOT workers. Some may work and some even do the difficult and low paying jobs. But less than 5% of illegals are agricultural workers. If they came to this company just to work under a permit program and then went home when the work was done there would be no problems.

The fact is most are not workers, or are illegal workers who don't pay taxes who use false identities and social security numbers. They drive without licenses or insurance and if they kill or injure someone they are not liable.

They collect government handouts often under multiple false identities. They commit crimes and refuse give identities or to appear in court if arrested. They smuggle illegal drugs. They form the most violent and vicious crimminal gangs in this country.

They use medical facilities and refuse to pay for them. The money that they accumulate in the U.S. is often sent to foreign friends and relatives. They put a strain on charitable institutions and demand handouts.

They are not workers. The little they contribute is far outweighed by the damage that they do.

[Vigilanteman]

Does leaving your doors unlocked increase or decrease your chances of being robbed? Someone could just come in, clean your house for you and take only the stuff you were planning to donate to Goodwill anyway.

It could happen and it would be the compassionate thing to do. < / sarcasm >

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[forgotten man]

“They don’t even need to vote to create new congressional districts and all the resulting costs.”

California is your case in point. If not for the extra Democrat congressional districts created by illegal aliens 0bamacare would not have passed.

[Joe 6-pack]

Sending money overseas is bad for the economy when US corporations do it, but it’s not bad when crimmigrants do it.

[csmusaret]

Let’s send them all home and find out!

[cripplecreek]

In my opinion, support for amnesty is akin to treason.

If there are 30 million illegals in America, that's enough to create nearly 50 congressional districts. States with high numbers of illegals might be GOP for a while but it won't last as the anchor babies start to grow up and vote.

[goseminoles]

Well, they do buy all those hot dogs at convenience stores at 7:00am while I pick up my morning coffee on the way to work.

[ecomcon]

Illegal immigrants don’t pay any income tax whatever. Most will get a nice, several thousand dollar EITC check from the fed if they are kind enough to file a tax return.

Sales tax is about it.

Free health care, education, food stamps, WIC, Section 8 housing subsidies, it all adds up to late model vehicles with chrome rims, baby.

[Sgt_Schultze]

These difficult jobs are held by illegals because employers are able to price the work below market rates because of the existence of illegals. But for illegals, the jobs would pay more. In effect the employers are using illegals to work as if they were almost slave laborers. By advocating against restricting illegal immigration and in favor of illegals continuing to hold these back-breaking jobs at inhuman pay, the Catholic Church is protecting slavery.

[tumblindice]

Poorly organized and argued, bad grammar. Wandering, weak ...
This must be the best the Church can do, as anxious as they are to add tithing members, subsidized by the rest of us.
It shows they must be having trouble finding good padres too.
Fail.

[HChampagne]

Illegal workers create a false economy. A vegetable farmer in Mississippi could never compete with vegetable farmers in Calif.

[umgud]

In my opinion, support for amnesty is akin to treason Suicide.

[DuncanWaring]

The advocates point to the fact that these are often back-breaking, dirty jobs that even desperate unemployed workers would never touch.

The fact that whenever there's a big roust of illegal immigrants at a meat-packing plant, there's a line around the block of Americans applying for those jobs says that assertion's a lie.