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Catholic Church has lost it's way.They also have moral responsibility, to teach lying is wrong, using fake or stolen documents is wrong, driving without licenses and insurance is wrong.Breaking laws is wrong. Better life does not dismiss the churches moral responsibility
1 posted on 02/15/2012 2:37:51 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

I agree with you.


2 posted on 02/15/2012 2:38:56 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: moonshinner_09

Unauthorized immigration, huh? Try ILLEGAL.


3 posted on 02/15/2012 2:47:07 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Stop feeding the beast; spend money only with those who support traditional American values.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Unless these illegals are somehow magically living in America without using any of our taxpayer funded infrastructure, I’d have to say that they have a negative impact on our economy.

They don’t even need to vote to create new congressional districts and all the resulting costs.


4 posted on 02/15/2012 2:49:16 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: moonshinner_09

Exactly. And this is why the O figures he can force the Catholic Church to accept his position on birth control. The Catholic Church (and other churches) had best be careful what they agree to let the government take over. Hitler did the same thing to the Lutheran Church in the mid thirties


5 posted on 02/15/2012 2:53:51 PM PST by Nifster
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To: moonshinner_09
This is a stupid article. The wording and the questions themselves are dishonest and deceptive.

They are not undocumented. They are illegal. They are deliberately and premeditatively breaking the law over and over again every day they are in this country. They are not immigrants they are lawbreakers.

Most of them are NOT workers. Some may work and some even do the difficult and low paying jobs. But less than 5% of illegals are agricultural workers. If they came to this company just to work under a permit program and then went home when the work was done there would be no problems.

The fact is most are not workers, or are illegal workers who don't pay taxes who use false identities and social security numbers. They drive without licenses or insurance and if they kill or injure someone they are not liable.

They collect government handouts often under multiple false identities. They commit crimes and refuse give identities or to appear in court if arrested. They smuggle illegal drugs. They form the most violent and vicious crimminal gangs in this country.

They use medical facilities and refuse to pay for them. The money that they accumulate in the U.S. is often sent to foreign friends and relatives. They put a strain on charitable institutions and demand handouts.

They are not workers. The little they contribute is far outweighed by the damage that they do.

7 posted on 02/15/2012 2:57:44 PM PST by detective
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Does leaving your doors unlocked increase or decrease your chances of being robbed? Someone could just come in, clean your house for you and take only the stuff you were planning to donate to Goodwill anyway.

It could happen and it would be the compassionate thing to do. < / sarcasm >

8 posted on 02/15/2012 2:59:58 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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9 posted on 02/15/2012 3:00:21 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: moonshinner_09

Let’s send them all home and find out!


12 posted on 02/15/2012 3:04:33 PM PST by csmusaret (I have kleptomania, but when it gets too bad I take something.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Illegal immigrants don’t pay any income tax whatever. Most will get a nice, several thousand dollar EITC check from the fed if they are kind enough to file a tax return.

Sales tax is about it.

Free health care, education, food stamps, WIC, Section 8 housing subsidies, it all adds up to late model vehicles with chrome rims, baby.


15 posted on 02/15/2012 3:14:31 PM PST by ecomcon
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To: moonshinner_09

These difficult jobs are held by illegals because employers are able to price the work below market rates because of the existence of illegals. But for illegals, the jobs would pay more. In effect the employers are using illegals to work as if they were almost slave laborers. By advocating against restricting illegal immigration and in favor of illegals continuing to hold these back-breaking jobs at inhuman pay, the Catholic Church is protecting slavery.


16 posted on 02/15/2012 3:25:36 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: moonshinner_09

Poorly organized and argued, bad grammar. Wandering, weak ...
This must be the best the Church can do, as anxious as they are to add tithing members, subsidized by the rest of us.
It shows they must be having trouble finding good padres too.
Fail.


17 posted on 02/15/2012 3:36:19 PM PST by tumblindice (Whitey-American: Taxed Enough Already)
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To: moonshinner_09

Illegal workers create a false economy. A vegetable farmer in Mississippi could never compete with vegetable farmers in Calif.


18 posted on 02/15/2012 3:37:53 PM PST by HChampagne
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To: moonshinner_09
The advocates point to the fact that these are often back-breaking, dirty jobs that even desperate unemployed workers would never touch.

The fact that whenever there's a big roust of illegal immigrants at a meat-packing plant, there's a line around the block of Americans applying for those jobs says that assertion's a lie.

20 posted on 02/15/2012 3:47:29 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: moonshinner_09
This has always been the chicken-and-egg question over unauthorized immigration

Stopped right there.
23 posted on 02/15/2012 4:45:14 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: moonshinner_09

This is a lay person’s private perspective on immigration not an examination of Catholic teaching.

Immigration is one of those issues that we are to exercise prudent judgement in forming public policy. That judgement must be consistent with Catholic teaching. We are not obligated to reach the same conclusion on how to have a just immigration policy that preserves human dignity. But we are obligated to remember that even illegal immigrants should be treated humanely. Humane treatment does not exclude civil or criminal penalties proportionate to the offense, including deportation.


24 posted on 02/15/2012 11:25:52 PM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: moonshinner_09

I should have clarified that by “we” I meant Catholics and not the whole of the US electorate.


25 posted on 02/15/2012 11:26:47 PM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: moonshinner_09

Just the fact that illegal aliens two favorite past times are soccer and drunk driving should answer this question.


27 posted on 02/15/2012 11:36:57 PM PST by Eaker (Remember, the enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.)
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