Posted on 02/16/2012 11:57:28 PM PST by techno
Thanks for your concern.
Speaker is not considered Executive Experience by definition. It doesn’t have the same authority or responsibilities.
If any Speaker of the House has demonstrated Executive leadership while gaining and using that position to nationalize elections, and herd cats, advance their entire party, and create history, it was Newt Gingrich.
We saw what we saw there, and regardless of what the normal definition of speaker may be or not, In Gingrich’s case, it showed the nation that he was a true executive leader.
Romney demonstrated the opposite in Massachusetts, the definition fit his job title, but he did not display executive talent in his failed roll as political leader.
You cannot just say someone has a quality that they don’t. Newt may have done a good job managing things in the House, but by no generally accepted definition does he have Executive experience. I don’t believe he is claiming he does. Officially Milt is the only one with Executive experience of the 4 candidates. Private Sector and Governmental.
What were the three businesses? How many employees did each have? What was these businesses annual gross?
Running around as a Lobbyist or setting up a Corporation for tax reasons with a hand full of assistants does not constitute having Executive experience. If that were the case, Joe at Joe's Pizza Shop would be an executive.
Newt was never a lobbyist. He owned businesses and employed a number of people.
(excerted from Wikipedia)
Businesses
After leaving Congress in 1999, Gingrich started a number of for-profit companies:[98] Between 2001 and 2010, the companies he and his wife owned in full or part had revenues of almost $100 million.
According to financial disclosure forms released in July 2011, Gingrich and his wife had a net worth of at least $6.7 million in 2010, compared to a maximum net worth of $2.4 million in 2006. Most of the increase in his net worth was because of payments to him from his for-profit companies.
Can you name the companies and what they did? As this is described, it looks like a tax situation to handle revenues for his book writing, which is the only thing he can point to doing since he left office other than the lobbying gig for Fannie and Freddie. That is why his wife is on the records for these “Companies”.
No one is, unless you lying about Gingrich being a lobbyist falls under that.
The history making radical leader, Newt Gingrich, did not "manage" the Republican house, he created it, and then was it's Executive Warrior Chieftain, the leader of the right, and the only opposition to the Clinton 1990s, the warrior who took over the Reagan torch.
Romney was in a defined executive position in government, and he failed dismally, he clearly has no political leadership/executive skills, something that Gingrich will go down in the history books for having in spades.
Your attempts to glorify Mitt Romney as the true and only "executive" primary candidate is a failure.
Never have I read a bunch on nonsense. "Executive Warrior Chieftain"? What is that? We are talking about Executive Experience by the common definition. Like it or not, Mittens is the only on who passes that test for those who have a need for it. Claiming your guy has it just because it makes you feel good or by some outrageously strained measure is silly. No one but a few people here are claiming he has it including Newt himself.
As for the Lobbying, some of us don't buy the story that those entities hired Newt to be their Historian. It doesn't make any logical sense. That is why he has a hard time defending it.
I’m not doing your research. Sod off!
Because I already did. There are no real companies. One was a Lobbyist firm that is involved with Health policy. Thomas Sussmann, the guy who worked at that thing, let the cat out of the bag last month on what it was really about. This is why Newt isn’t able to counter Mittens argument that he is the only one with private sector business experience. If Newt also had Executive Experience, he would shut down Milt in a second.
You’re just ticked off because Santorum is a liar, a hypocrite and one corrupt politician.
I am a conservative voter in a primary and choosing who to support for President, I am judging executive TALENT, and EFFECTIVENESS as it serves my conservative goals, not by a typical job definition.
You make a passionate defense for Mitt Romney, but he is a failure as a political executive, he was weak, disastrous, ineffective.
Speaker Gingrich displayed effective leadership, he moved a nation, changed history, he was a “Executive Warrior Chieftain” who proved that he can move mountains, and he did that against a very powerful two term President and 3 term Governor, and the full force of the national media.
Then explain that up front. Words mean things and picking an argument with me over your own impressions when I am purely dealing with facts surrounding the definition of a term does not make sense. My comment to 2ndDiv last night was to point out that Newt doesn't have this quality as understood by general terms just like Santorum, who he was slamming.
BTW, you should know by now I am a solid Santorum guy, not Romney. Just look at who is sprinkling the Pings on Santorum threads.
LOL. Why would I be ticked off when my guy is beating Milt like a drum in the polls, both nationally and in important state contests? On the other hand, your anger at Rick seems to be stemming from the fact that Newt isn't panning out as the smartest man in the room judging by the disarray his current campaign is in.
You aren’t dealing with facts, you are the man lying about Newt being a lobbyist, and telling us what a great executive leader Romney was as governor.
If you look at post 48 again you will see me mocking your use of the defined “executive” by countering your Romney claims.
I would say that Gingrich is the candidate with the most demonstrated executive political leadership in this race, by a huge margin.
Quote where I praised Milt in any of my posts. You can't.
On Newt Lobbying, he did it. There are articles everywhere about what these companies actually did by people who worked there. Thomas Susman was a lawyer hired by Newt. Why wouldn't I believe what this man has to say on the subject? He worked there. On Newts lobbying, read this article by a Right Wing writer at a Right Wing source. Companies that hired his firm admit why they did it.
http://nation.foxnews.com/newt-gingrich/2011/11/21/newts-lobbyist-problem
You have to have a total suspension of disbelief to go along with Newts reasoning on this. Call me a liar all you want. Newt did try to convince people and outfits to do things while being payed to do so. What does that add up to in your book?
Romney, Santorum.
One of them actually is Romney, the other is merely a fan who wanted him for President in 2008, and who is on Romney’s list of veeps.
We know that Romney is the second choice for Santorum voters and that Newt is the man that most of them hate the most.
It is amazing how with Santorum people it so often becomes a Romney versus Gingrich battle.
Laz! Of course Rick Santorum is doing well; he hasn’t yet been broadsided by the Democrats, who I suspect are holding their fire. The reason?
They’re using him to draw most Republican attention, that of social conservatives, using contraception and sterilization as bait. This is of zero concern if SCOTUS upends Obamacare. Rick Santorum predictably grabbed the issue and is foolishly running with it.
“It’s the economy, stupid!” Remember that from 1992?
The Democrats are drawing Republican attention from the real problem; Obama is destroying the United States economy.
It isn’t who has more business experience or who is more pious that is important this national election.
What is important is who in the past thirty years has done more to overhaul government and perpetuate the Reagan Revolution of smaller, more efficient government.
The Democrats and corrupt Republicans (the political whores) in Washington are terrified of Newt Gingrich, because he has promised to change Washington, D.C.
Newt gave us the Republican majority, the Contract with America and completed 2/3rds of his agenda while in office. He resigned when so many of his colleagues rebelled against his proposed budget which would cut a billion dollars out of it; they saw their gravy train leaving Congress, and wanted Gingrich out!
One of those involved in the coup to throw out Newt was Rick Santorum, who entered Congress as a middle class Rep and left a multi-millionaire.
This isn’t about “liking” one candidate over another. This 2012 national election may determine whether this nation survives, or not. I’m looking objectively at who can save our collective ass, and that isn’t Romney or Santorum.
Wheres that happening exactly? Most of the time Santorum people like me need to defend him from the irrational slams on this thread. That is why I jumped in here last night.
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