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Fuel from Algae?
www.stolinsky.com | 02-24-12 | stolinsky

Posted on 02/24/2012 10:29:04 AM PST by stolinsky

News report: President Obama declares that rather than drilling for new sources of oil, or building the pipeline, we should get fuel from algae.

Algie saw the bear
The bear saw Algie
The bear was bulgy
The bulge was Algie
-- Red Skelton


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: algae; fuel; oil

1 posted on 02/24/2012 10:29:15 AM PST by stolinsky
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To: stolinsky
This actually might not be a bad idea. All it's doing is speeding the natural process up. Better living through modern chemistry.

But use this unproven technology to replace the entire process wholesale? Not really likely. What an idiot.

2 posted on 02/24/2012 10:36:01 AM PST by wbill
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To: stolinsky

Why not do both?


3 posted on 02/24/2012 10:36:16 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: stolinsky

Obama is steeped in slime. He knows all about it.


4 posted on 02/24/2012 10:37:13 AM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

Obama is the Big Green Algae Machine...


5 posted on 02/24/2012 10:38:41 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: stolinsky

How’d that chicken droppings thing ever work out?


6 posted on 02/24/2012 10:40:11 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's time for the DemocRAT voter base to start paying their "fair share" of taxes.)
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To: reg45

Oil works and we have more of it than 0bama and company want to admit, so until algae is economically viable, don’t make the switch.


7 posted on 02/24/2012 10:41:26 AM PST by yawningotter
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To: stolinsky
Looks like the EPA is working OVERTIME, next thing you know ALL standing WATER anywhere can/will be controled by the EPA. ALL pond scum is theirs.

You will not be allowed to use filters or pumps to agitate, you will only be allowed to enjoy the slimy "GREEN" stuff. They will probably also charge you for the slime removal from your water area.

8 posted on 02/24/2012 10:44:19 AM PST by annieokie
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To: yawningotter

suggest to Obama: soylent green?


9 posted on 02/24/2012 10:44:34 AM PST by brivette
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To: wbill

The technology is not unproven. It can and does produce diesel fuel. What is still in question is the enough money to be made to justify the capital cost.

A simple change in how the government reauthorizes CRP (crop reduction program) payments can create a whole new agriculture / oil market. Land that is currently considered non-farmable and not currently qualifying for CRP payments, may be converted to grow algae and no other crops and still qualify for CRP. A minimum of 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel must be sold to the market to qualify.

Run this program for 10 years with an automatic “kill” of the program at the end of that time.


10 posted on 02/24/2012 10:45:31 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: stolinsky

And would they be gathering this algae from the waters in front of the Kennedy Compound where the windmills are supposed to be?


11 posted on 02/24/2012 10:46:13 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: stolinsky
OBAMA POWER ALGAE, OBAMA POWER ALGAE
12 posted on 02/24/2012 10:51:05 AM PST by FrankR (You are only enslaved to the extent of the entitlements you receive.)
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To: stolinsky

Algae is a plant and plants need mass amounts of fertilizer.


13 posted on 02/24/2012 10:51:31 AM PST by omega4179 (Internet ID:FU░&#BO)
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To: stolinsky

The technology to use algae to produce fuel has been around for a while but it is not in any way going to make a significant impact, certainly not immediately and not a 17% replacement difference.

Any democrat who opens their mouth is spewing a lie from start to finish and spewing greenhouse gasses (by their definition).

Let’s sew up the orifices of every registered democrat for a cleaner environment.


14 posted on 02/24/2012 10:51:56 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: wbill

They have spent over 2 years planning and building an algae farm around here and it still isn’t finished. The technology isn’t all that good and I havn’t seen anything about cost effectiveness.


15 posted on 02/24/2012 10:55:47 AM PST by tiki
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To: wbill

Two words for the Obama-bot green-tards:

ENERGY DENSITY

It’s taken millions of years and countless quadrillions upon quadrillions of ancient algae cells to form the thick, dense, highly concentrated substance we know as crude oil. Just how expensive and on what massive a scale could this natural process be feasibily replicated in a factory that would come close to satisfying the motoring, flying, plastic-using public???

Barry? Barry? Barry?


16 posted on 02/24/2012 11:00:25 AM PST by mkboyce
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To: taxcontrol
The technology is not unproven

True, that wasn't the best choice of words.

Question is, will it scale up. The US uses, what, 20-odd million bls of crude a day? That's a whole lot of algae.

I think that it's worth investigating. But, for BO to say "Sure, we'll just do .....this" is dumb. But not unexpected. :-)

17 posted on 02/24/2012 11:01:22 AM PST by wbill
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To: stolinsky

The thing about “energy” is that when it comes down to it, the best thing alternative energy sources can do is to store their energy in some form of hydrocarbons. Battery technology is just not going to cut it. A Chevy Volt has a battery that has the equivalent of 1 gallon of gasoline and costs $10,000. They Telsa’s battery pack costs $40,000 and that is the premier tech right now for EV cars (160-230 miles per charge). But of course the batteries die, making these vehicles much more expensive than they initially appear.

However we can use all sorts of different technology to make synthetic fuels. If you MUST go carbon neutral, You only need water, carbon dioxide (from the air) and electricity. Thus, going to electric vehicles is backwards. Google the iron oxide cycle for an interesting take on how that might happen coupled with a nuclear reactor. There are also other ways to make carbon neutral synthetic fuel. Algae too might be economical, but not today.

Of course you can convert coal to synthetic fuel and we have plenty of high sulfur coal that is just laying around in the ground, if you don’t care about carbon.

Considering the fact that there are solutions on the horizon (say under 50 years) that will allow us to have cheap energy indefinitely, why not make the smart decision to utilize all the energy reserves we have right now? Keep the money we are exporting in our own country and reap the economic benefits. Duh right?


18 posted on 02/24/2012 11:06:17 AM PST by BJ1
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To: tiki
They have spent over 2 years planning and building an algae farm around here and it still isn’t finished. The technology isn’t all that good and I havn’t seen anything about cost effectiveness.

Honestly, I don't know all that much about it. Made sense to me to give it a try.

In a rational world, you and I would say "Hmmmmm, this might fly. Let's try it." and if it doesn't produce energy at a better-than-breakeven cost, we'd scrap the idea and move to the next thing.

Unfortunately, we're talking about government. So Common Sense will go out the window.

Heck, they're still throwing money by the snowshovel-full at Solar and Wind power, which are two technologies that anyone with an Engineering Degree (or just a FReeper with a decent amount of sense) can tell you won't ever scale up.

19 posted on 02/24/2012 11:09:15 AM PST by wbill
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To: wbill
But use this unproven technology to replace the entire process wholesale?

Not unproven. There have been a number of experiments and it works quite well. You just bubble high CO2 rich air (think exhaust from a natural gas power plant) through a Algae solution and then squeeze something similar to vegetable oil out of the gunk. A diesel can burn it as is or you can refine it into gasoline.

The problem is not technical, but economic. You just can't manufacture gasoline as cheaply as you can pump it out of the ground in Texas and Canada. That isn't going to change any time soon.

On the up side it does put an end to all the peak oil crap. We can manufacture gasoline and diesel if we run out of the stuff in the ground. So while we may run out of cheap oil, we will never run out of oil.
20 posted on 02/24/2012 11:23:16 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: reg45

What does the price of oil need to be to make oil from algae profitable and viable. To make oil from coal, the minimum price must be $40 dollars a barrel. For wind power to be viable, the price of oil must be $80 dollars a barrel. There is no data on what the price of oil must be to make algae profitable but since it’s at the research stage I suspect it must be above $120 at minimum. If you think a oil refinery is a scar on the landscape imagine what an algae plant might look like. This man Obama is the worst kind of huckster selling imaginary solutions to non problems. We will eventually need a replacement for oil, but not until technology evolves to meet the need, he simply has no faith in the ingenuity of the american entrepreneurial spirit.


21 posted on 02/24/2012 11:29:16 AM PST by qman
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To: All

http://www.parabel.com/announcements/petroalgae-environmental-defense-fund-1

They’re in FL and it is funny, because the first post I made on FR was about them. This algae stuff. Many of the big refineries dropped out of supporting.

http://www.energyboom.com/biofuels/shell-drops-algae-its-biofuel-portfolio
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Algae is also being touted as replacement for jobs from XL pipeline.
www.triplepundit.com/2012/01/originoil-green-algae-biofuel-alternative-keystone-xl-pipeline-jobs/
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If the entire algae industry isn’t suffering from a case of separation anxiety, it should be. Investors, CEOs, scientists. Dealing with the separation issue is perhaps the biggest obstacle we face. But that’s not what you’ll read on most algae companies’ websites.
http://www.biofuelsdigest.com/bdigest/2011/09/01/separation-at-the-heart-of-algae-industry-challenge/
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BOSTON — Bioengineer Jeff Way has seen what happens when the claims of algae biofuel companies get ahead of the science, when their promises of “renewable diesel” slam into the realities of engineering.

He’s been to the bankruptcy auction.
http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/03/29/29greenwire-as-algae-bloom-fades-photosynthesis-hopes-stil-54180.html?pagewanted=all


22 posted on 02/24/2012 11:37:55 AM PST by Irenic
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To: reg45
Why not do both?

Ever hear of the concept of economies of scale? I don't have a problem with companies choosing to do this on their own, but if the government mandates that x% of fuel must come from algae, then we have government bureaucrats paid for with borrowed Chinese money fining oil companies and raising gas prices further. Don't go there.

23 posted on 02/24/2012 11:38:09 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: stolinsky

we should build the pipeline and drill where we can, AND develop Algae oil, too


24 posted on 02/24/2012 12:07:28 PM PST by The Wizard
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To: stolinsky

How many millions has Obama extorted in campaign donations/bribes from corn growers and Big Corn companies to allow them to produce and refine corn into expensive mandated ethanol?

And now Obama wants to turn on them and promote algae instead? Is there no end to Obama’s treachery?


25 posted on 02/24/2012 12:12:19 PM PST by Bluestocking
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To: mkboyce
that would come close to satisfying the motoring, flying, plastic-using public

Well, then, there's the point.
He doesn't want us to be a "motoring, flying, plastic-using" society anymore.

He and the "elites", of course, will continue to do so,
but not you and I.

26 posted on 02/24/2012 12:17:25 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

I’ll be sold when we have electric powered ‘jet’ airplanes and electric cars that can get 450 miles to a charge that only takes a minute or two to ‘fill-up’.

I won’t be holding my breath...


27 posted on 02/24/2012 12:39:48 PM PST by mkboyce
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

But what happens when the Franken-Algae gets loose in your backyard wetland? Glop?


28 posted on 02/25/2012 8:40:56 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: stolinsky

It makes more since than burning corn.

But maybe Obama’s energy policy is like “Barter Town” in “Road Warrior.”

On second thought that involved pig poo..0 would never before that..


29 posted on 03/19/2012 3:59:00 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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