Once Again I will Posit Adoption for Barack Obama.

Various | 3/1/2012 | DiogenesLamp

[DiogenesLamp]

I just finished Watching Sheriff Arpaio's press conference. The Sheriff's posse has concluded that the document was created on a computer and is therefore a forgery.

I will once again point out that if Obama was adopted, he would get a replacement birth certificate that will be designed to look like an original 1961 birth certificate, but it will in fact have been created by the Department of Health in the State of Hawaii at the Direction of an Hawaiian State Judge.

"The Obama was Adopted" theory addresses the "forgery" issue head on, and precludes it from being a crime. In my opinion, this is the simplest explanation for the fact that Obama's document looks cobbled together, and that Hawaii is tacitly confirming it as legitimate.

I will further add, (for those who have not already been so informed) that *I* was adopted, and *I* have a birth certificate which was created six years after I was born, and is in fact a replacement birth certificate that lists my new last name, new parent's names, etc.

This theory ties up a lot of the loose ends neatly (not all of them) and it doesn't involve believing that the Hawaiian government is involved in a criminal "conspiracy." I urge people to consider this idea before jumping to the conclusion that everyone involved with producing this document has committed a criminal act.

[DiogenesLamp]

That there must be a reason why the Chicago crew went to extensive lengths to hide Obama's true records .

I think there is something wrong with his original birth certificate. I also think he may very well have used his time in Indonesia as an excuse to claim scholarship money for foreign students.

There is no way to prove either thing at the moment, but those are two of my suspicions regarding why his records are so tightly covered up.

That as long as Obama hides the information, people will continue to suspect the worst.

Personally I suspect he was raised, by his grandparents and his mother's 'influence' to be a communist/socialist infiltrator, regardless to whom his biological parents were.

His higher education days were filled with Alinksy and Black Liberation.

He IS, what he LEARNED.

I don't disagree with any of this.

[RegulatorCountry]

LucyT has control issues of long standing. I was threatened with being put in a “little black book” because I wasn’t towing the standard “COLB” line at the time, lol. That was in 2009.

[DiogenesLamp]

Personally I suspect he was raised by his grandparents and his mother’s ‘influence’ to be a communist/socialist infiltrator regardless to whom his biological parents were.

I think anyone raised by leftwing minded people develop this way because they share the same false premises. It is the baser aspect of human nature.

[DiogenesLamp]

LucyT has control issues of long standing. I was threatened with being put in a “little black book” because I wasn’t towing the standard “COLB” line at the time, lol. That was in 2009.

People need to grant others some consideration even when we don't agree. As far as I'm concerned, my allies don't have to believe exactly what I do when looking at a very complicated issue. I may know things they don't, they may know things I don't. We all make up our minds based on what *WE* know, not on what someone else knows. :)

Fred Nerks showed me some stuff I didn't know just today.

[ForAmerica]

We have yet to see real proof he was born *IN* Hawaii.

I completely agree!

[RegulatorCountry]

Getting caught up in detail and minutiae is no doubt fascinating, I know I spent countless hours early on, perusing Justia and in fact any and all sources I could find pertaining to eligibility.

But, the fact remains that all the murk is clearly designed to conceal a problem in that regard for Obama. A negative cannot be proved, and that is what all this is an attempt to do.

Just ask the man, point blank, if he is a natural-born citizen of the United States under Article II, Section I. He’ll either perjure himself, admit ineligibility or go off on a very telling ramble. I’d bet on the very telling ramble, myself.

You’re all caught up in a very elaborate game of Where’s Waldo and I believe it’s by design to run out the clock. You’ve got numerous posters and occasional newbie signups who come teetering up in the clown car whenever the topic erupts again, who keep guiding it back to the birth certificate.

That much I have observed, since withdrawing from the matter for the most part, due to ridiculous in-fighting and silly cliques forming.

You’re playing his game to his advantage, imho. Just why he’s ineligible won’t come out until he’s finished his second term and precedent will have been set.

[DiogenesLamp]

You’re playing his game to his advantage, imho. Just why he’s ineligible won’t come out until he’s finished his second term and precedent will have been set.

Au contraire, mon frère! Most of my efforts have involved researching the meaning of "natural born citizen", Not the birth certificate issue. This thread is the first time i've addressed this issue in many months. The only reason I address it now is because I thought my insight as an adopted person would possibly be helpful to others who had never considered the idea.

Like I said, most of my efforts have been involving research as to the correct meaning of "natural born citizen." My understanding of it is that a person can only be a "natural citizen" if both their parents are citizens when they are born. A dual citizen cannot be a "natural citizen." They owe an unnatural allegiance to another country.

I found John Adams own personal book on English Law of the time, and it echos the Vattel definition.

I've found other stuff as well. Check out the research thread. (Link above.)

[Fred Nerks]

Goeldner said her sister-in-law actually raised Barrack Obama, or Barry as they called him, when he was young, after his mother died in 1970.

http://www.nlrtimes.com/articles/2008/11/14/maumelle_monitor/living/liv01.txt

[Fred Nerks]

So, who’s the filipina with her arm around the kenyan? Why the numerous false lei, and have you any idea of the source of that image?
Where did it first appear...we would dearly like to know...are the captain and the sailor wearing US Navy uniform or are they Indonesian as they appear to be?

[Fred Nerks]

The instructions on what is to be crossed out relate to a PERSON.

[DiogenesLamp]

Goeldner said her sister-in-law actually raised Barrack Obama, or Barry as they called him, when he was young, after his mother died in 1970.

http://www.nlrtimes.com/articles/2008/11/14/maumelle_monitor/living/liv01.txt

Yes. Newspaper reporters make mistakes. I wonder if Bill Lawson has any idea how much controversy he stirred up by getting that stuff wrong.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2754825/posts?page=266#266

Given that he made four other mistakes in that article, I wouldn't take anything he says very seriously.

[Plummz]

There may or may not be a place with that name, but on the document it clearly refers to a person. There is no field for whatever village the person happens to be in at the time. And it’s pretty well-established. Stanley and Barry were in Jakarta. Your question is rather bizarre.

[x]

I'd agree that it may not literally be a "conspiracy theory," but in everyday conversations, theories of a hidden or concealed truth generally get referred to as "conspiracy theories. If there was a second adoption and both adoptions were covered up, though, "conspiracy theory" may not be an inappropriate description of what you think happened.

I'm skeptical, because 1) those signs may point to a formal and official adoption or something much more informal and unofficial, and 2) it's not clear how Indonesian and US law interact, what kind of Indonesian legal proceedings would have changed Obama's status.

Maya's understanding of "adoption" and Indonesian adoption law is shaky, and can't be taken as hard evidence that there was a formal legal adoption. If you want to rely on her testimony, though, it sounds like she's saying there most likely wasn't a Hawaiian adoption of Barack by Lolo.

I'm also skeptical of the Soebarkah story. True, the name is there in black and white on the paperwork, but it's in parenthesis after Barack Hussein Obama. We're free to speculate about why it's there and why both names are crossed out, but we don't know with any certainty. It's an indication that something may have happened, but not proof.

The deportation (which I didn't know about before) and divorce papers are more substantial. The response, though, would be that when you live a double life, with some things official and legal and others informal and unbinding, you can get confused about what the actual legal status of your affairs is. If you're fighting deportation, you're going to use whatever arguments are available, regardless of whether they are true or reflect the real legal state of things.

And I'd need more information before I could safely say that what the mention of Barack Obama as an adult child "still dependent on the parties for education." I'd want to know what the common practice in cases like this was, and what reasons there might have been for listing or not listing a stepchild.

Like I said, your theory is interesting. It's more plausible than most of the others I've come across. It could very well be true. But I'm going to wait for more evidence.

You may be convinced of the truth of your version of things, but "a good circumstantial case" doesn't mean that the burden of proof switches to the other side. You could show motive, means, and opportunity, but you still haven't proven your case beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Fred Nerks]

Why pretend you don’t know? I made it quite clear up-thread that the name Soebarkah was both an Indonesian name and a place.
And just as Stanley Ann Dunham wrote her married name as SUTORO at times, SUKARNO was SOEKARNO, SUHARTO was SOEHARTO, SOETORO became SUTORO - when SUHARTO took over.

THUS, you see SOEKBARKAH became SUBARKAH:

Suharto’s body was taken from Jakarta to the Giri Bangun mausoleum complex near the Central Java city of Solo. He was buried alongside his late wife in a state military funeral with full honours, with the Kopassus elite forces and KOSTRAD commandos as the honour guard and pallbearers and Commander of Group II Kopassus Surakarta Lt.Colonel Asep Subarkah.[90

[Fred Nerks]

I’m used that type of response by now, everything that doesn’t suit a particular theory must be some journalists mistake...like the one the kenyan made when he told the Hawaiian interviewer in 1962 that he had not been back to Kenya for 7 years.
Or the journalist who interviewed the kenyan’s teacher at the school in Maseno, who pulled out the numbered and named attendance cards from the fifties and said that the kenyan left to go to the US as soon as he finished his term at the school, in 1954...and that his older brother left the school before he did; an older brother who was TWO years older, born in 1934 - probably with the same birthdate as the kenyan used on his scholarship application.

you’ve got nothing but theories, Lucy is right, no one cares what you THINK.

Because it’s evident to me that if there is information out there that places any doubt on your THINKING you immediately resort to the ‘the journalist made a mistake’ position.

[Brown Deer]

So where am I lying? Or even mistaken?

Thank you. That's exactly the reply that I was waiting for!

Your original comment:

and I can only assume it continued during the time Madelyn Dunham was growing up. Apart from that, the Family lived in Oklahoma and Texas before moving to Washington.

So how old was Madelyn Payne Dunham when her daughter Stanley was in school? It was actually Stanley Ann who was growing up there, not Madelyn! That seems to contradict your implied predjudice.

So like we said, "Why don't you stop posting your BS lies here!"

[Brown Deer]

"The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society." ~~ Barack 0bama, March 2008

"Grandma Is Typical White Person"

[Brown Deer]

As I mentioned, according to Frank Marshall Davis’s book, “living the blues” they were very prejudiced in Kansas during the 1920s-1930s. He was there, and that is what *HE* said.

So the writings of a Communist pedophile is your authority?

[Fred Nerks]

http://keywiki.org/index.php/Frank_Marshall_Davis

Meet the real Frank Marshall Davis.

[Absolutely Nobama]

“Have you ever seen any photos of her pregnant?”

No, we never did, did we ?