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To: AtlasStalled

So what would legalization look like? What would they propose to legalize? Marijuana for sure. How about meth?, cocaine, heroin, prescription drugs?


3 posted on 03/03/2012 6:28:19 AM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: umgud

If their argument for the US government de facto endorsing this deadly debiltiating social vice is ostensibly to reduce violence and tax it, then it’s all or nothing or the pro-legal arguments don’t work

Just think- free needles and free addictive drugs to keep junkies present and future quiet and off the streets in the name of big brother compassion- another constitutional right under obamacare


14 posted on 03/03/2012 6:38:39 AM PST by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: umgud
I don't have anything to do with drugs and recommend everybody on the planet do the same; every drug problem in the world would vanish within five days if the whole world were to do that...

Nonetheless that's never going to happen, hence the "War on Drugs(TM)", instituted under Richard Nixon. This is the single biggest issue I have with Republicans and there is little if anything to choose between demmy and pubby pols on the issue. The "war on drugs" leads to

It is that final item which some would use as a pretext to eviscerate the second amendment, which is the link pin of the entire bill of rights. Consider the following from the former head of U.S. Customs and Border Protection under the Bush administration no less:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/17/weapons-ban-urged-to-rein-in-mexican-drug-war/

The former head of U.S. Customs and Border Protection called Monday for the U.S. to reinstitute the ban on assault weapons and take other measures to rein in the war between Mexico and its drug cartels, saying the violence has the potential to bring down legitimate rule in that country.

Former CBP Commissioner Robert C. Bonner also called for the United States to more aggressively investigate U.S. gun sellers and tighten security along its side of the border, describing the situation as "critical" to the safety of people in both countries, whether they live near the border or not.

Mexico, for its part, needs to reduce official corruption and organize its forces along the lines the U.S. does, such as a specialized border patrol and a customs agency with a broader mandate than monitoring trade, Mr. Bonner said in an exchange of e-mails.

"Border security is especially important to breaking the power and influence of the Mexican-based trafficking organizations," Mr. Bonner said. "Despite vigorous efforts by both governments, huge volumes of illegal drugs still cross from Mexico..."

The problem here clearly is not guns and it is clearly a problem of economics. The drugs one of these idiots would use in a day under rational circumstances would cost a dollar; that would simply present no scope for crime or criminals. Under present circumstances that dollar's worth of drugs is costing the user $300 a day and since that guy is dealing with a 10% fence, he's having to commit $3000 worth of crime to buy that dollar's worth of drugs. In other words, a dollar's worth of chemicals has been converted into $3000 worth of crime, times the number of those idiots out there, times 365 days per year, all through the magic of stupid laws. No nation on Earth could afford that forever.

A rational set of drug laws would:

Do all of that, and the drug problem and 70% of all urban crime will vanish within two years. That would be an optimal solution; but you could simply legalize it all and still be vastly better off than we are now. 150 Years ago, there were no drug laws in America and there were no overwhelming drug problems. How bright do you really need to be to figure that one out?

16 posted on 03/03/2012 6:45:08 AM PST by varmintman
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To: umgud

I’ve been thinking about that myself.

Here’s what I think...pot should be eased up on. Let people grow their own. But anyone attempting to sell pot(other than living plants or seeds) should go to jail. Any pot transported across state lines or national borders should be seized and all those involved given EXTRA long prison terms.

I am sick of america’s nonsense with prescription drugs. If I want to buy myself some pills for my back I don’t want the dam government trying to stop me. But if I am caught reselling my pills or using them in ways not meant to be used, then sure, throw the book at me. The current laws exist to protect pharaceutical companies and jack up their prices. Pure and simple.


21 posted on 03/03/2012 7:05:23 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: umgud
"Marijuana for sure."

Believe it or not, as much pot as is grown right here in the USA, the Mexican cartels still derive about 60% of their total revenues from Marijuana. This according to one of those PBS or Nova specials I saw about a year ago and cannot name.

That would put a dent in those operations.

The only other step we should take is to build an impenetrable barrier from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico. Treat it like a border with a hostile military power and station troops along it...with instructions to shoot to kill.

38 posted on 03/03/2012 9:16:01 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: umgud
>>So what would legalization look like?



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54 posted on 03/05/2012 1:19:33 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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