Posted on 03/03/2012 7:02:42 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
I'll be sure and ping you tomorrow so you can address this...
Obama has never used the pdf copy of his BC for any legal purpose so what’s the big deal?
LIE!
Jablonski sent a copy of the long and short form to Kemp in his protest letter.
And it would appear that the SoS accepted them. Looks like Kemp doesn’t agree with the birthers - what a shock.
You know the real reason he was sent those copies? It was to force him to choose between accepting them as real or supporting the birthers. A come to Jesus moment so to speak. Politics is a dirty business and the Chicago crowd are the dirtiest around.
But you don’t drive me crazy. You are a good adversary - I win some and I lose some but it is always interesting. Thanks.
Well then since you’re still here address your lie in reply 331.
By “we” he must mean either his fellow fogblowers or the administration “social media” propanda trolls he works with.
I also believe that poster Harlan1196 is in fact an Obot as you suggest.
DiogenesLamp argues that based on the poster’s alleged conservative opinions on other topics in the past, he is not.
In the spy world it is important to establish a credible persona that allows the infiltrator to be accepted.
Therefore an aspiring Obot would likely strive to appear conservative an all other things of lesser importance.
These topics might be standard boilerplate issues like abortion, socialized medicine, gun control etc.
However, the most important issue to Obama has to be that his work so far be preserved. If he is removed from office for the frauds and felonies he as committed he will have lost it all, up to and including ObamaCare, two socialists on the Supreme Court and every other bill he signed into law. All would be nullified. It would be a major catastrophe for the Left. This is why Obots like Harlan are sent out to ridicule, persuade, cajole, defame and demoralize conservatives as “Birthers”... to make anyone “ashamed” to even think “Birther” thoughts.
Notice all the classical Alinsky tactics he uses in his responses. In particular ridicule, name calling, and “shaming”.
Note also the sheer amount of time and energy he expends on this and similar threads defending Obama. I believe he must be paid well by his handlers for his considerable effort.
Of course we also can look at his FR home page where he sets up a convincing past. But the recent sign-up date is a red flashing light.
Poster El Sordo may also be an Obot, although his sign-up date is much earlier. But then how do we know this the original Sordo? Maybe his account was hacked or sold (Soros has lots of money and everyone has a price). Maybe Sordo changed his ideology... it happens. Look at the case of Barry Goldwater, or David Brock.
It is also possible that some of the Obots are not conscious agents but dupes, i.e. actual conservatives who have been Alinskyized by shame, ridicule and peer pressure from liberal friend and relatives, etc.
And it would appear that the SoS accepted them. Looks like Kemp doesn’t agree with the birthers - what a shock.
You know the real reason he was sent those copies? It was to force him to choose between accepting them as real or supporting the birthers. A come to Jesus moment so to speak. Politics is a dirty business and the Chicago crowd are the dirtiest around.
Obama has never used the pdf copy of his BC for any legal purpose so what’s the big deal?
You took your usual "off into a tangent" tactic.
A come to Jesus moment so to speak. Politics is a dirty business and the Chicago crowd are the dirtiest around.
You make it sound like he was threatened into compliance.
Speaking of threats...
No wonder your threats come across as hollow and meaningless.
Where have I threatened you?
DiogenesLamp argues that based on the poster’s alleged conservative opinions on other topics in the past, he is not.
I was referring to El Sordo. I have looked at some of El Sordo's past posting history and commentary, and I see him take conservative stances on other issues. I have also looked at Harlan1196's commentary, and I do not recall seeing him do anything OTHER than defending Obama's legitimacy. I am suspecting he is an Obot myself.
In the spy world it is important to establish a credible persona that allows the infiltrator to be accepted.
Therefore an aspiring Obot would likely strive to appear conservative an all other things of lesser importance.
These topics might be standard boilerplate issues like abortion, socialized medicine, gun control etc.
This is only for the clever ones. I have argued with many of them, and I find a lot of them really really really do not want to talk about Abortion. I think in some cases, they just can't help letting their true feelings come out.
However, the most important issue to Obama has to be that his work so far be preserved. If he is removed from office for the frauds and felonies he as committed he will have lost it all, up to and including ObamaCare, two socialists on the Supreme Court and every other bill he signed into law. All would be nullified. It would be a major catastrophe for the Left. This is why Obots like Harlan are sent out to ridicule, persuade, cajole, defame and demoralize conservatives as “Birthers”... to make anyone “ashamed” to even think “Birther” thoughts.
Getting everything Obama did overturned is such a worthy goal that I simply cannot understand why there is anyone on the conservative side who would defend him. Even if they feel differently, isn't it better to just remain silent and let people try to take him down? Why defend him?
Notice all the classical Alinsky tactics he uses in his responses. In particular ridicule, name calling, and “shaming”.
Note also the sheer amount of time and energy he expends on this and similar threads defending Obama. I believe he must be paid well by his handlers for his considerable effort.
Or he is a "true believer." I have dealt with loony Democrats in the past. They will pull some dirty sh*t. Back in 1992, I put a sign up on my property next to a highway. It said "Clinton Supports Homosexuals." Within a week, they doused it with Gasoline and set it on fire. (I put it right back up again.) The Following week, they set my grassland on fire. Fortunately the local fire department was called and put it out before it reached my house. This was in the middle of the night.
To say that they are unhinged is an understatement. They are foaming at the mouth lunatics who can sometimes pretend to be normal.
Of course we also can look at his FR home page where he sets up a convincing past. But the recent sign-up date is a red flashing light.
His FR Home page is indeed inconsistent with his behavior. I find it hard to believe that someone could be so conservative on their home page, yet want to defend Obama. I do have one possible explanation for it though. On another website, there is a long serving Navy Officer whom I respect greatly. His mother is Italian, and his father is American. He was born in Italy. He is absolutely convinced that he is a "natural born citizen" and will not accept any argument which says otherwise.
I think this is an emotional response, and not a thoughtful one. I suspect that there are other people who are in some similar situation, that although they are conservative, they simply cannot accept the fact that THEY (or their Children) are not "natural born citizens." These people will defend Obama's claim, simply because they worry about their own. Just an idea.
Poster El Sordo may also be an Obot, although his sign-up date is much earlier. But then how do we know this the original Sordo? Maybe his account was hacked or sold (Soros has lots of money and everyone has a price). Maybe Sordo changed his ideology... it happens. Look at the case of Barry Goldwater, or David Brock.
It happens. I personally think Peggy Noonan has gone over to the other side, among others. On the other hand, El Sordo still writes things as though he were a conservative.
There ARE actual, real bonified, true conservatives who refuse to accept either the Birth Certificate, or the "Natural born citizen" issue. They simply will not accept it. The Ace of Spades HQ is filled with such people. I just saw there today where one of my most obnoxious debating opponents (Calling himself "Charlie Brown's Dildo") is hosting a meetup event in New Jersey for people who frequent Ace of Spades Website.
MOST of the conservatives on that website dismiss the birthcertificate/eligibility issue, and will argue viciously in favor of Obama's legitimacy. (Same thing with Allahpundit and Ed Morrissey over at Hot Air. And let us not Forget Eric Erickson of "Red State.)
This behavior has always puzzled me. Why someone would defend our enemy, I simply don't understand, but none the less I recognize we have Conservatives who will do so. As for Harlan1196, If all he does is defend Obama, I don't see much use for him even if he isn't an Obot.
Why would he need to be "forced" to accept anything?
He has no credibility in my opinion. I regard him as a loon.
I put little stock in the possibility of a Kenyan birth. Here is an Article from American Thinker which convinced me that it is extremely unlikely.
If other information comes forward which supports the theory, I will of course re-evaluate. I put no stock whatsoever in what people TELL me the Kenyan Grandmother says. I also put no stock in any document purported to have come from Kenya. As far as i'm concerned, they have the evidential value of a Nigerian scam letter.
If Obama was required to submit a BC in a legal proceeding, he would not use an electronic copy. Hawaii would simply send the court a certified copy of the COLB and that would be that.
Obama send Kent those BCs as a political message - he had no legal requirement to give Kemp anything.
It was a sharp, hard knock on Kemp’s forehead to focus him on what he was getting himself into if he backed the birthers.
Birthers have this fantasy that if they could only get Obama’s BC into court, it would be exposed as a forgery and and that Hawaiian corruption would be revealed.
Obama reminded Kemp that if push came to shove in a court of law, Hawaii would simply send the court a certified copy of the COLB and the court would accept without question. Kemp is no fool.
Maybe forced was too strong a word - lets just say that it laid out his choices very clearly. Accept conventional wisdom that the BCs were valid or go down the birther path.
His office accepted those birth certificates without question or comment.
Obama send Kent those BCs as a political message - he had no legal requirement to give Kemp anything.
It was a sharp, hard knock on Kemp’s forehead to focus him on what he was getting himself into if he backed the birthers.
Birthers have this fantasy that if they could only get Obama’s BC into court, it would be exposed as a forgery and and that Hawaiian corruption would be revealed.
Obama reminded Kemp that if push came to shove in a court of law, Hawaii would simply send the court a certified copy of the COLB and the court would accept without question. Kemp is no fool.
Hitler's brown shirts twisted arms to get people to do what they wanted. I think Obama and his forces are the modern embodiment of the same.
I believe Obama's long form is a "legal forgery" created by DOH under Court Order to create a replacement birth certificate designed to look like an original. I don't see how his lawyers would accept being involved in anything which they knew to be illegal, and that might eventually get discovered.
Circumstantial evidence indicates Obama was adopted twice, and it makes it highly likely that his original was sealed and that he was issued a new document by Court Order.
I find this possibility highly persuasive because the same thing happened to me. *I* am adopted, and *I* have a replacement birth certificate.
No, "FORCED" is precisely the correct word. Brown Shirts also wore suits when they needed to.
His office accepted those birth certificates without question or comment.
It takes a strong man to stand up against the forces of darkness, rather than join them as you seem to have done.
Hawaii would simply send the court a certified copy of the COLB and that would be that.
It wasn't Hawaii's responsibility to send anything in. It was the defendant's responsibility to appear with it and he didn't.
Obama send Kent those BCs as a political message...
Isn't that against the law?
...he had no legal requirement to give Kemp anything.
So why did Jablonski send them to Kemp instead of showing up in court as ordered with the required objects?
It was a sharp, hard knock on Kemp’s forehead to focus him on what he was getting himself into if he backed the birthers.
You don't seem to have a problem with the coercion of public officials.
Birthers have this fantasy that if they could only get Obama’s BC into court, it would be exposed as a forgery and and that Hawaiian corruption would be revealed.
It figures that you would have such a jaundiced view of the issue. Thanks for sharing it.
Obama reminded Kemp that if push came to shove in a court of law, Hawaii would simply send the court a certified copy of the COLB and the court would accept without question. Kemp is no fool.
Again, you don't seem to understand...the Defendant was ordered to appear with the required objects. The State of Hawaii had no obligations placed upon it.
Is today a day off for the Harlan of yesterday?
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