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The Testimony that Proves Obama Can't Shake the 'Death Panels' Debate
forbes.com ^ | March 9, 2012 | James Poulos

Posted on 03/09/2012 10:31:07 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY

So far, only a corner of the conservative blogosphere has paid much attention to last week’s testimony by Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius before the House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee.

But Sebelius’s comments on the virtues of birth control are set to pour fresh fuel on the fire of the ‘death panels’ charge. Her flat-footed, programmatic response to Pennsylvania Rep. Tim Murphy’s straightforward queries reinforce the claims of Republicans like Sarah Palin and Rick Santorum that the Affordable Care Act (ACA) will usher in an era of rationing, with the government making decisions about care based on who bureaucrats decide is most valuable to society.

It all could have been just another run through the controversy surrounding the provision of contraception, religious liberty, and freedom of conscience. But Rep. Murphy took a different tack. He wanted to know, under future rules, “who pays for” contraception provided by insurance companies to employees of religious organizations. “There’s no such thing as a free service,” he intoned.

Now, Sebelius could have answered in a variety of ways. What she said, however, was:

The reduction in the number of pregnancies compensates for cost of contraception.

Incredulous, Murphy asked: “So you are saying, by not having babies born, we are going to save money on health care?” Again, Sebelius could have responded in any number of ways, such as directly confronting Murphy’s point. Instead, she said:

Providing contraception is a critical preventive health benefit for women and for their children.

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1 posted on 03/09/2012 10:31:10 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Sebelius is an unapologetic ghoul. I'd like to know how a decent conservative state like Kansas ever elected her dogcatcher, much less governor.
2 posted on 03/09/2012 10:34:35 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Her reply would convince a neutral party that she believes pregnancy to be a disease.


3 posted on 03/09/2012 10:35:15 AM PST by Pecos (O.K., joke's over. Time to bring back the Constitution.)
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To: Pecos

How are earth did WE, THE PEOPLE ever let it come to this?

Or did we?

I’m still not convinced that obammy was elected in a fair and legal election...........


4 posted on 03/09/2012 10:45:19 AM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I can see the same arguments being made agains in a few years.

[ “The reduction in the number of live births compensates for cost of abortion.”

Incredulous, Murphy asked: “So you are saying, by not having babies born, we are going to save money on health care?” Again, Sebelius could have responded in any number of ways, such as directly confronting Murphy’s point. Instead, she said:

“Providing abortions is a critical preventive health benefit for women and for their children.” ]

It’s coming under Obamacare. Government mandated abortions to limit the number of babies per family also could come from this.


5 posted on 03/09/2012 10:45:48 AM PST by KansasGirl
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To: Free ThinkerNY

DEATH PANELS


6 posted on 03/09/2012 10:50:05 AM PST by FrankR (You are only enslaved to the extent of the entitlements you receive.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

There isn’t really any debate, just the libs whining that it isn’t so.


7 posted on 03/10/2012 6:39:14 PM PST by Salman
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Interesting article. I just finished a letter to the editor of our local paper earlier that references Sebelius among other things. Here it is:

To The Editor,
If you’re drawing a lot of flak, you must be over the target. Rush Limbaugh has been drawing some flak.

Recently, Limbaugh was thoroughly criticized by the media, politicians and most everyone for the
use of some descriptive words with which he labeled Sandra Fluke. Championed by the Administration and purported by the press to be a 23-year-old Georgetown law student, she actually is a 30-year-old feminist, “reproductive justice” activist pushing the agendas of radical, leftist ideologues. Perhaps Limbaugh should have just left his listeners to make their own conclusions about a $46,000 tuition/year law student who wants $1000 per year in taxpayer funded contraceptives.

While Limbaugh delivered his comments against an individual, his true focus was and remains the overreaching Obama Administration. You may recall Limbaugh said in January of 2009 of Obama, “I hope he fails.” Limbaugh took some flak then also. But what Rush knew then, many Americans have or are coming to realize now is that Obama’s “Hope and Change” tour was a smokescreen for his subsequent vow to “radically transform America.”

The plan to force religious organizations to provide contraceptives to employees is quite simply a direct assault on Freedom of Religion and the First Amendment. Another attack comes via Secretary of Health Kathleen Sebelius as she furthers the ObamaCare mantra that we are not people, merely units. When questioned by Representative Tim Murphy, she replied that a cost containment goal of ObamaCare was a “Reduction in the number of human beings.” Sarah Palin’s brief analysis of the legislation in the phrase “Death Panels” wasn’t far off.

The taxpayers have been fleeced by the government. The bailout of the automakers was an infusion of cash into the depleted union pension funds. Meanwhile, the supposed car of the future, the Chevy Volt, has suspended production because of low demand. Each Volt that is sold costs you and me $250,000 in subsidies. The environmentalists’ contrived “Global Warming” crusade has resulted in a slew of ”green” companies to which the government has loaned millions of our taxpayer dollars, only to see them go bankrupt because of a lack of demand for their products. A portion of the money eventually returns to the Democrats in the form of campaign contributions. In reality, we’ve borrowed money from China today to give to Obama tomorrow so that we can pay it back forever.

Obama has shown his allegiance to the “green” movement by thwarting any legislation that would open up new access to our untapped natural resources. Fuel prices are more than double what they were when he took office. Food prices are rising daily. The fact remains that there is no alternative to oil in regards to the efficiency, versatility and supply and certainly no form of “green” energy that can satisfy the current demand for affordable fuel. Obama knows this, but his actions demonstrate an indifference to the plight of millions of American families.

How am I going to tie all this together…an individual’s sexual promiscuity and the Administration’s war on liberty? Abstinence is the only fool proof way to avoid pregnancy and if practiced legislatively in Washington, D.C., it’s the only way to deny the dictates of a government bent on destroying personal responsibility, freedom and liberty.


8 posted on 03/10/2012 6:45:37 PM PST by Typelouder
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Interesting article. I just finished a letter to the editor of our local paper earlier that references Sebelius among other things. Here it is:

To The Editor,
If you’re drawing a lot of flak, you must be over the target. Rush Limbaugh has been drawing some flak.

Recently, Limbaugh was thoroughly criticized by the media, politicians and most everyone for the
use of some descriptive words with which he labeled Sandra Fluke. Championed by the Administration and purported by the press to be a 23-year-old Georgetown law student, she actually is a 30-year-old feminist, “reproductive justice” activist pushing the agendas of radical, leftist ideologues. Perhaps Limbaugh should have just left his listeners to make their own conclusions about a $46,000 tuition/year law student who wants $1000 per year in taxpayer funded contraceptives.

While Limbaugh delivered his comments against an individual, his true focus was and remains the overreaching Obama Administration. You may recall Limbaugh said in January of 2009 of Obama, “I hope he fails.” Limbaugh took some flak then also. But what Rush knew then, many Americans have or are coming to realize now is that Obama’s “Hope and Change” tour was a smokescreen for his subsequent vow to “radically transform America.”

The plan to force religious organizations to provide contraceptives to employees is quite simply a direct assault on Freedom of Religion and the First Amendment. Another attack comes via Secretary of Health Kathleen Sebelius as she furthers the ObamaCare mantra that we are not people, merely units. When questioned by Representative Tim Murphy, she replied that a cost containment goal of ObamaCare was a “Reduction in the number of human beings.” Sarah Palin’s brief analysis of the legislation in the phrase “Death Panels” wasn’t far off.

The taxpayers have been fleeced by the government. The bailout of the automakers was an infusion of cash into the depleted union pension funds. Meanwhile, the supposed car of the future, the Chevy Volt, has suspended production because of low demand. Each Volt that is sold costs you and me $250,000 in subsidies. The environmentalists’ contrived “Global Warming” crusade has resulted in a slew of ”green” companies to which the government has loaned millions of our taxpayer dollars, only to see them go bankrupt because of a lack of demand for their products. A portion of the money eventually returns to the Democrats in the form of campaign contributions. In reality, we’ve borrowed money from China today to give to Obama tomorrow so that we can pay it back forever.

Obama has shown his allegiance to the “green” movement by thwarting any legislation that would open up new access to our untapped natural resources. Fuel prices are more than double what they were when he took office. Food prices are rising daily. The fact remains that there is no alternative to oil in regards to the efficiency, versatility and supply and certainly no form of “green” energy that can satisfy the current demand for affordable fuel. Obama knows this, but his actions demonstrate an indifference to the plight of millions of American families.

How am I going to tie all this together…an individual’s sexual promiscuity and the Administration’s war on liberty? Abstinence is the only fool proof way to avoid pregnancy and if practiced legislatively in Washington, D.C., it’s the only way to deny the dictates of a government bent on destroying personal responsibility, freedom and liberty.


9 posted on 03/10/2012 6:45:37 PM PST by Typelouder
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To: Typelouder

sorry for the double post...laptop clicker is acting up.


10 posted on 03/10/2012 6:47:32 PM PST by Typelouder
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