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Anti-gun spin: Study claims carrying a gun in bear country doesn’t make you any safer
Bluegrass Pundit ^ | Sunday, March 11, 2012 | Bluegrass Pundit

Posted on 03/11/2012 11:06:28 AM PDT by Askwhy5times

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To: EternalVigilance

How do you tell if you’re in black bear country? The bear scat will have berries in it.

How do you tell if you’re in grizzly country? The bear scat will have little bells in it and smell like pepper spray.


41 posted on 03/11/2012 1:02:57 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Askwhy5times

By the way, the report (bang) of any loud firearm will very likely scare a bear away, even if a bear is wounded (most cases). The information in my last comment was more for the purpose of humane defense (avoiding leaving bears wounded and suffering).

In my case...? There’s a bear that regularly walks by near me to get a drink from a creek. No problems from that bear at all (all black, smaller bear). He’s just another neighbor. It helps that the area is not treed.

There were problems at another location, far from here and several years ago, where neighbors left food in their trash. ...a couple of large males (both unusually large, brown and long-haired) that became too familiar with people there. That area was also heavily treed.

One last thing. In at least some states, local wildlife employees will lean toward prosecuting you for shooting a bear except in cases of local livestock owners doing so because of predation. So they lean way against new residential arrivals, and especially, tourists.


42 posted on 03/11/2012 1:05:34 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Askwhy5times

How do they define a bear attack? If I shoot the bear before it actually injures anyone, how is that categorized? Is it thrown out because no one was killed or injured? If the bear doesn’t press the attack and turns tail, how is that categorized? This is a study where you can completely bias the outcome simply by how you define a bear attack.


43 posted on 03/11/2012 1:14:51 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: oldenuff2no

That is the real world!


44 posted on 03/11/2012 1:24:56 PM PDT by ssschev
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To: Askwhy5times

Tell you what, let’s take these “scientists”, force them into a bear pit, and give them the option to either take a gun with them, or not.....let’s see how many of them take the gun.


45 posted on 03/11/2012 1:26:31 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: familyop

“Very few people carry firearms that will put down a bear or develop the skills and anatomy study needed”
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This is the entire point of the study.


46 posted on 03/11/2012 1:58:52 PM PDT by free me (heartless)
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To: Askwhy5times
I recall a story from last year:
Greg Brush, an Alaskan fishing guide, was ambushed with no warning by a charging bear. All he had time to do was pull out his .454 Casull and fire as fast as possible, while falling backwards after tripping on a branch. The Anchorage Daily News reports:

He drew a Ruger .454 Casull revolver. There was no time to aim, barely time to squeeze the trigger. He’s not sure whether he got off two shots or three, but one proved fatal.

“Total luck shot,” he said.

“It doesn’t get any closer. He slid by me on his chin when I shot him,” Brush said. “I was backpedaling as fast as I could. I wasn’t even aiming. I tripped over my own feet as I pulled the trigger.”

He estimated that the animal weighed 900-plus pounds, and was 15 to 20 years old. It had grass packed in its molars and little fat on its bones.

“It was starving to death and saw an opportunity,” Brush said.


I also read this article about two unarmed people killed in yellowstone by different bears within a month or so of each other.

WP story

In Alaska, people expect problems from bears and are normally armed. In Yellowstone, people are not allowed to be armed. In National Parks, you can be eaten alive for the crime of Political correctness. In Alaska, you eat bear. That is my study on the issue.

Guess which one I chose?

47 posted on 03/11/2012 2:06:55 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: blueunicorn6
I was out walking in the woods when I got between a grizzly sow and her cubs. She charged me. I’ve had years of martial arts training, so I screamed at her and assumed a defensive stance. She stopped about six feet away, pulled out a 38 and shot me in the leg. She said, “Take that Karate Kid!” and then she ate me.

That's just silly. A bear wouldn't carry a 38!

48 posted on 03/11/2012 2:12:03 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOS!)
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To: exDemMom
I completely agree: this study seems to have taken a predetermined conclusion and then interpreted the data in such a way as to support the conclusion. That kind of study is not scientific, but, unfortunately, shows up far too often in the scientific literature. I usually see that kind of non-science in clinical studies, where researchers set out to prove something is bad (e.g. soda), and collect their data in such a way that they can never show otherwise.

Research is not generally performed for knowledge anymore. Research is done to satisfy grant funding. As such, a researcher who wants to continue to get funding will report what will result in further funding down the road.

The big exception is research which is done to find information that will result in a profitable product.

49 posted on 03/11/2012 2:52:18 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: namvolunteer

“I dispute that Smith is a bear expert. Timothy Treadwell was a bear expert. He lived with bears. They ate him.”

Treadwell was a bear expert. He has studied them from inside and out.

Carrying a firearm may not make me safer, but it also doesn’t make the bear safer, either.


50 posted on 03/11/2012 3:08:33 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: Still Thinking

The 44 would be fine if there were no bear but if a bear is going to do the dirty work, slow is fine.


51 posted on 03/11/2012 3:13:04 PM PDT by fish hawk (NAACP = Native Americans Against Corrupt Politicians)
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To: fish hawk

Hmmm, you make a good point!


52 posted on 03/11/2012 4:22:59 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Askwhy5times

Um, Grizzly Bear, Polar Bear, Brown Bear, Black Bear meets .50 cal. .458, 30.06, .45ACP., bear loses, human remains alive. What am I missing?


53 posted on 03/11/2012 5:15:05 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: eartrumpet
Firearms don't make you safer? Tell that to these guys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUG8UPsgE3U
54 posted on 03/11/2012 6:15:55 PM PDT by willyd (your credibility deficit is screwing up my bs meter...)
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To: fish hawk; All
In 1953, in British Columbia, Bella Twin shot a world record grizzly with a .22 singleshot rifle: http://www.angelfire.com/on2/LandOwner/misc/Grizley1.html
55 posted on 03/11/2012 8:42:18 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Askwhy5times. Partisan Media Shills ping.


56 posted on 03/12/2012 1:30:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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