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DEA "Speaking Out Against Drug Legalization" - a rebuttal
(self) | March 13, 2012 | (self)

Posted on 03/13/2012 9:55:41 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies

The DEA Web pages on "Speaking Out Against Drug Legalization" are linked with some regularity on FR. They're full of errors in fact and logic; since I couldn't find a comprehensive rebuttal online, I've started creating one. Here's my rebuttal to their "Fact 1;" more to come as time permits.

Claim 1: "We have made significant progress in fighting drug use and drug trafficking in America. Now is not the time to abandon our efforts."

  • Claim: On the demand side, the U.S. has reduced casual use, chronic use and addiction, and prevented others from even starting using drugs. Overall drug use in the United States is down by more than a third since the late 1970s. That’s 9.5 million people fewer using illegal drugs. We’ve reduced cocaine use by an astounding 70% during the last 15 years. That’s 4.1 million fewer people using cocaine.

    Fact: And from 1980 to 1995, alcohol consumption dropped by 23% (http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh27-1/30-38.htm), while from 1973 to 2006 cigarette smoking dropped by 59% (http://www.lung.org/finding-cures/our-research/trend-reports/Tobacco-Trend-Report.pdf) - all while alcohol and cigarettes remained legal. Correlation is not causation. Here the DEA commits the ancient logical fallacy of post hoc ergo propter hoc ("after this therefore because of this") - like the rooster who claimed his crowing caused the sun to rise.

  • Claim: Almost two-thirds of teens say their schools are drugfree, according to a new survey of teen drug use conducted by The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse (CASA) at Columbia University. This is the first time in the seven-year history of the study that a majority of public school students report drug-free schools.

    Fact: That's what teens think other teens are doing. Here's what teens say about what they themselves are doing: The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse reported in 2002 that teens said for the first time that they could get marijuana more easily than cigarettes or beer (http://www.casacolumbia.org/download.aspx?path=/UploadedFiles/b0ooqrvk.pdf). This is the DEA's idea of "progress"? What this shows is that the best way to restict teens' access to drugs is to make them legal for adults only (thus giving those who sell to adults a disincentive to sell to kids - namely, the loss of their legal adult market).

  • Claim: The good news continues. According to the 2001-2002 PRIDE survey, student drug use has reached the lowest level in nine years.

    Fact: And 8 years later, the percentage of daily marijuana use was essentially unchanged (http://www.pridesurveys.com/Reports/index.html), despite ever-rising spending on drug enforcement. Trends in youth drug use simply don't correlate with drug criminalization efforts.

    Claim: According to the author of the study, “following 9/11, Americans seemed to refocus on family, community, spirituality, and nation.” These statistics show that U.S. efforts to educate kids about the dangers of drugs is making an impact. Like smoking cigarettes, drug use is gaining a stigma which is the best cure for this problem, as it was in the 1980s, when government, business, the media and other national institutions came together to do something about the growing problem of drugs and drug-related violence. This is a trend we should encourage — not send the opposite message of greater acceptance of drug use.

    Fact: Legalization does not "send the opposite message of greater acceptance of drug use." We manage to educate kids about the dangers of alcohol and tobacco despite their legality. If we're going to criminalize everything we don't want kids doing, we've got a long list to work on.

  • Claim: The crack cocaine epidemic of the 1980s and early 1990s has diminished greatly in scope. And we’ve reduced the number of chronic heroin users over the last decade. In addition, the number of new marijuana users and cocaine users continues to steadily decrease.

    Fact: See the first fact, above.

  • Claim: The number of new heroin users dropped from 156,000 in 1976 to 104,000 in 1999, a reduction of 33 percent.

    Fact: See the first fact, above.

  • Claim: Of course, drug policy also has an impact on general crime. In a 2001 study, the British Home Office found violent crime and property crime increased in the late 1990s in every wealthy country except the United States. Our murder rate is too high, and we have much to learn from those with greater success—but this reduction is due in part to a reduction in drug use.

    Fact: Apparently the DEA hopes we won't notice that:

    • All those countries also have anti-drug laws.
    • There is no evidence that those countries had rising levels of drug use.
    • As mentioned previously, correlation is not causation.
  • Claim: To put things in perspective, less than 5 percent of the population uses illegal drugs of any kind.

    Fact: According to the federal Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, in 2008 8% of Americans had used an illicit drug in the past month and 14.2% in the past year (http://www.samhsa.gov/data/nsduh/2k8nsduh/tabs/Sect1peTabs1to46.htm#Tab1.19B).

Supply Reduction

  • Claim: There have been many successes on the supply side of the drug fight, as well. For example, Customs officials have made major seizures along the U.S.-Mexico border during a six-month period after September 11th, seizing almost twice as much as the same period in 2001. At one port in Texas, seizures of methamphetamine are up 425% and heroin by 172%. Enforcement makes a difference—traffickers’ costs go up with these kinds of seizures.

    Fact: Based on available federal government data (http://www.justice.gov/ndic/pubs44/44849/44849p.pdf, http://www.abtassociates.com/reports/american_users_spend_2002.pdf), no more than 21% of the cocaine that enters this country is seized, and no more than 19% of the heroin. The DEA is grading itself on a very generous curve if it calls a score of 21% anything better than failing.

  • Claim: Purity levels of Colombian cocaine are declining too, according to an analysis of samples seized from traffickers and bought from street dealers in the United States. The purity has declined by nine percent, from 86 percent in 1998, to 78 percent in 2001. There are a number of possible reasons for this decline in purity, including DEA supply reduction efforts in South America.

    Fact: Cocaine purity rises and falls with no correlation to drug enforcement activity; after that cherry-picked dip in 2001, purity rose again (https://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publications/pdf/price_purity.pdf).

  • Claim: One DEA program, Operation Purple, involves 28 countries and targets the illegal diversion of chemicals used in processing cocaine and other illicit drugs. DEA’s labs have discovered that the oxidation levels for cocaine have been greatly reduced, suggesting that Operation Purple is having a detrimental impact on the production of cocaine.

    Fact: Oxidation is used to remove impurities; whatever the significance of these reduced oxidation levels, it hasn't meant a reduction in cocaine purity, as shown above.

  • Claim: Whatever the final reasons for the decline in drug purity, it is good news for the American public. It means less potent and deadly drugs are hitting the streets, and dealers are making less profits — that is, unless they raise their own prices, which helps price more and more Americans out of the market.

    Fact: Speaking of prices: powder cocaine prices have declined by roughly 80 percent since 1981, with the average price of one expected pure gram of cocaine purchased at Q1 (i.e., 0.1 to 2.0 bulk grams) costing approximately $107 in 2003. (https://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publications/pdf/price_purity.pdf)

  • Claim: Purity levels have also been reduced on methamphetamine by controls on chemicals necessary for its manufacture. The average purity of seized methamphetamine samples dropped from 72 percent in 1994 to 40 percent in 2001.

    Fact: Methamphetamine purity did decline during that period - but then it rose again. (https://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publications/pdf/price_purity.pdf) As with cocaine, purity rises and falls with no correlation to drug enforcement activity.

  • Claim:The trafficking organizations that sell drugs are finding that their profession has become a lot more costly. In the mid-1990s, the DEA helped dismantle Burma’s Shan United Army, at the time the world’s largest heroin trafficking organization, which in two years helped reduce the amount of Southeast Asian heroin in the United States from 63 percent of the market to 17 percent of the market. In the mid-1990s, the DEA helped disrupt the Cali cartel, which had been responsible for much of the world’s cocaine.

    Fact: When Southeast Asian heroin declined, South American heroin picked up the slack. When the Cali cartel was disrupted, other cartels stepped in. These high-profile busts serve only to create opportunities for other traffickers.

  • Claim: Progress does not come overnight. America has had a long, dark struggle with drugs. It’s not a war we’ve been fighting for 20 years. We’ve been fighting it for 120 years. In 1880, many drugs, including opium and cocaine, were legal. We didn’t know their harms, but we soon learned. We saw the highest level of drug use ever in our nation, per capita. There were over 400,000 opium addicts in our nation. That’s twice as many per capita as there are today. And like today, we saw rising crime with that drug abuse. But we fought those problems by passing and enforcing tough laws and by educating the public about the dangers of these drugs. And this vigilance worked—by World War II, drug use was reduced to the very margins of society.

    Fact: The only anti-drug laws passed in the 1880s were against smokable opium, and were targeted at the recently immigrated Chinese laborers. Even when the Harrison Narcotic Act was passed in 1914, "The supporters of the Harrison bill said little in the Congressional debates (which lasted several days) about the evils of narcotics addiction in the United States. They talked more about the need to implement The Hague Convention of 1912," which was "aimed primarily at solving the opium problems of the Far East, especially China." "Even Senator Mann of Mann Act fame, spokesman for the bill in the Senate, talked about international obligations rather than domestic morality. On its face, moreover, the Harrison bill did not appear to be a prohibition law at all." (http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/cu/cumenu.htm)

    And if the use of opiates and cocaine declined in the early part of the twentieth century (although the use of barbiturates and amphetamines was widespread), they rose again later despite not a single anti-drug law being repealed. Again we see that trends in drug use do not correlate with anti-drug laws and enforcement.



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To: x
Platzspitz? Looks more like the Spitzplatz.

Who would have thought that people who don't respect themselves wouldn't respect a public place either?
:)

21 posted on 03/13/2012 3:09:53 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
The whole WOsD is a farce.

There is no such thing as an illegal drug. There are only controlled substances.

The drugs themselves are not illegal. What one does with those drugs is what is illegal.

Once the government legislates what you can't put into your body
they will then start to legislate what you must put into your body.

I'm an adult, not a child! I neither need, nor want, the government telling me what to do in every aspect of my life.
That's why there is a Ninth Amendment to the Constitution.

I look forward to any replies.

22 posted on 03/13/2012 3:55:08 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: DiogenesLamp
@I am AGAINST the legalization of drugs.
It is a Libertarian idea, not a conservative one.

What do you base your assertion upon?
23 posted on 03/13/2012 3:57:47 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: G Larry
America needs more unfettered access to a wider array of poisons.

What other fetters would you like to put on Americans?

I dislike control freaks, right or left.

/johnny

24 posted on 03/13/2012 4:05:09 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: G Larry
America needs more unfettered access to a wider array of poisons.
Poppycock! Americans already have unfettered access to a wide array of poisons. If you don't believe me then just go look under your kitchen sink at the multitude of cleaning supplies there.
Are you going to tell me that some of those things aren't poisonous?

Or were being euphemistic? That's not very smart if you were.
It means you believe the whole issue, pro or con, isn't worthy of discussion.

25 posted on 03/13/2012 4:05:09 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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Edit - Or were you being euphemistic?
26 posted on 03/13/2012 4:06:20 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
What this completely misses is that under Art 1, Sec 8 of the United States Constitution, supreme law of the land.... congress assembled has no authority granted to regulate drugs.

That's up to the states or the people.

/johnny

27 posted on 03/13/2012 4:08:18 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: DiogenesLamp
One single example of a person getting their head blown off is plenty enough information to decide that the same thing will happen to someone else who sticks their head in a cannon.

If the person was in a battle formation hundreds of yards away from the cannon when their head got blown off then how can you compare the two incidents as being similar or the same when they were completely separate circumstances?

28 posted on 03/13/2012 4:15:09 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: DiogenesLamp
My recollection is that legal alcohol kills ~ 50,000 people per year. Isn't that a small sacrifice to pay for it? Only 50,000 dead people? (per year) Yes, we certainly need another bunch of substances to add to the death rate.

Then automobiles, though not a substance and by using your standards, need to be outlawed as well as they're almost as deadly with about 40,000+ deaths a year IIRC.

29 posted on 03/13/2012 4:27:24 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: DiogenesLamp
I found the most interesting things when I looked up the image location of that pic...
@http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dmDHh7gwpa4/SdSfis20SQI/AAAAAAAABr8/0mAWo8ATyuU/s800/AAAA.jpg
4 returns.
30 posted on 03/13/2012 4:34:39 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: DiogenesLamp
From 1994 and you're trying to depict it as modern day? For shame! That's almost 20 years old!
31 posted on 03/13/2012 4:40:29 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: DiogenesLamp

We have the same thing all over the US. They’re called “crack houses”, public housing, etc. Ours may not be as public in most cases but we do have our own parks for addicts, too.


32 posted on 03/13/2012 4:52:38 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: philman_36

I was being euphemistic AND sarcastic!

...and YOU missed a PRONOUN!!!

You must be evil incarnate!!!!


33 posted on 03/13/2012 5:36:37 PM PDT by G Larry (spellcheck can ruin a good rant!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Your Chinese example is meaningless. For the first 100 years of American history opium was completely legal yet nowhere near 50% of the population was addicted.

And the entire discussion of that subject is completely academic as there’s absolutely no authority anywhere in the US Constitution for the Federal government to regulate what adults put into their bodies. None whatsoever.

Anyone arguing otherwise is as liberal as Obama. Period.


34 posted on 03/13/2012 5:41:35 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: G Larry
Well I'm glad you got that out of your system.
So...In light of my point about the cleaning supplies under your kitchen sink, or wherever it is that you keep your cleaning supplies, do you still stand by your earlier statement or would you like to rephrase it?
35 posted on 03/13/2012 9:21:47 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

You have no “point”, only distractions.


36 posted on 03/14/2012 4:58:02 AM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: philman_36
@I am AGAINST the legalization of drugs. It is a Libertarian idea, not a conservative one. What do you base your assertion upon?

Oh, several things. For one, the Libertarians are always the ones I end up arguing with over it. For another, the legalization of drugs has always been a part of their political platform. For a third, it is consistent with the tenets of their philosophy.

37 posted on 03/14/2012 6:54:03 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: philman_36
If the person was in a battle formation hundreds of yards away from the cannon when their head got blown off then how can you compare the two incidents as being similar or the same when they were completely separate circumstances?

Letting an epidemic of poison spread through your society is more closely analogous to sticking your head in a cannon and firing it. In my opinion, it is virtually guaranteed to cause a collapse.

38 posted on 03/14/2012 6:56:23 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: philman_36
Then automobiles, though not a substance and by using your standards, need to be outlawed as well as they're almost as deadly with about 40,000+ deaths a year IIRC.

The vast majority of such deaths that are not ordinary accidents, are caused by drunk drivers. Apart from that, the utility of Automobiles is so valuable to our population that we would be willing to tolerate an even higher death rate than that.

Toleration of ordinary vehicular accidents is unavoidable, and is therefore necessary.

39 posted on 03/14/2012 7:04:29 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: philman_36
I found the most interesting things when I looked up the image location of that pic...
@http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dmDHh7gwpa4/SdSfis20SQI/AAAAAAAABr8/0mAWo8ATyuU/s800/AAAA.jpg 4 returns.

Your link doesn't seem to do anything when I click on it. What did you find? What do you mean by "4 returns."?

40 posted on 03/14/2012 7:11:41 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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