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Why Conservatives Should Continue to Oppose Romney after the Nomination (Please provide input)
Bloggers & Personal ^ | 10 Apr 12 | Xzins

Posted on 04/10/2012 9:55:58 AM PDT by xzins

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To: jersey117

By a lot of posters, I agree. But JimRob stuck with him to the end. I remember JR saying that he was a “Bush-bot” to clarify his support for GW. (Not to say he supported Bush’s mistakes.)

Bush was wrong on amnesty, wrong on Dubai ports, and wrong on Gonzalez/Harriet M for Scotus.

I wish he had just performed both Iraq and Afghan as relentless retaliation missions, removing governments/military capability/mass weapons, but he didn’t. That would have taken anyplace from 6 months to a year to accomplish in each case.

There was nothing unethical in his deciding to build nations, but it clearly had little chance of success. We see that now.


161 posted on 04/11/2012 3:43:36 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: xzins
Same here. But those are our choices.

The devil or the deep blue sea.

162 posted on 04/11/2012 4:57:40 AM PDT by NakedRampage (Puttin' the "stud" in Bible study)
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To: NakedRampage

Those will not be our only choices.

There will be at least one candidate who is a rational conservative. He will be the other choice. He will be either a pro-life libertarian or he will be the Constitution Party candidate.

I’d far rather have an isolationist conservative than a baby-killing socialist. The first is merely a policy error while the second is grossly immoral.


163 posted on 04/11/2012 5:02:08 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: jersey117; xzins
Interesting list. Rick Perry was all those things and he was run out of town around here.

Great point, it can't be said enough!

Looking back it's clear Perry was the best conservative candidate of the bunch, but he stumbled badly early on. I don't know if it was from the pain killers for his back, or if he's just a bad debater. Either way it doesn't matter. He had the best conservative record.

Once Perry was out I figured I would support Gingrich or Santorum. They are both gone. Now the Pubs have a candidate with a very liberal record from when he actually held office. I could vote for McCain because he at least had been in the military and had a good history on social issues. Romney has none of it.

My efforts here on out are to help conservatives get elected in the House, Senate and State govt. If the SCOTUS stops obamacare I think everything else can be fixed.

164 posted on 04/11/2012 7:52:13 AM PDT by wmfights
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To: xzins

I think Romney as the nominee will lead to a significantly diminished voting turnout from a frustrated conservative base.

I believe Obama will win re-election.
The question then becomes, “how can we make the most out of this loss?”

... and I think the answer is “show the RNC that we would rather LOSE and election and try again in 4 years than elect a RINO with no conservative credentials.”

I’m a conservative first and republican second. I won’t forget that.


165 posted on 04/11/2012 7:52:13 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: xzins

“There will be at least one candidate who is a rational conservative. He will be the other choice. He will be either a pro-life libertarian or he will be the Constitution Party candidate.

I’d far rather have an isolationist conservative than a baby-killing socialist. The first is merely a policy error while the second is grossly immoral.”

Standing idly-by while Iran gives nuclear weapons to Hamas and Hezbollah for the purpose of wiping out innocent people IS GROSSLY IMMORAL AS WELL.


166 posted on 04/11/2012 7:54:20 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: libdestroyer

I said “at least one...rational conservative” in either of those parties. If a candidate isn’t a rational conservative, then don’t vote for him.

Any rational conservative will not desert Israel.


167 posted on 04/11/2012 8:07:26 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Kansas58
We can live to fight another day, with Romney as President.

Yes! We should let Romney know right after he is inaugurated that he could be opposed in the GOP primaries for 2016 if he steers left. Sometimes, often in fact, we have to elect the wrong person to do the right thing.

168 posted on 04/11/2012 8:13:33 AM PDT by Poincare (Reality is not a fool.)
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To: xzins
I said “at least one...rational conservative” in either of those parties. If a candidate isn’t a rational conservative, then don’t vote for him. Any rational conservative will not desert Israel.
Point taken. It's actually kinda sad Ron Paul has silly positions on defense. Otherwise he'd be a candidate I could get behind...
169 posted on 04/11/2012 9:44:43 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: Poincare
Exactly!

Obama, without any need to get re-elected, is far more dangerous than Romney, who will need our help!

170 posted on 04/11/2012 2:10:27 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: xzins

Thanks. One would hope. :-) Some people ya gotta yell at.


171 posted on 04/11/2012 8:28:19 PM PDT by KGeorge
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To: G Larry
Well, then FINALLY they might learn this isn't a game and quit backing every GOP-e candidate shoved in front of them.

You dance with the Devil (moderate RINO’s) then don't whine when you are eventually burned.

I could have bought that crap as a younger man but I've been around the block a few times and I'm no longer settling for the prettiest girl in the bar at 2 am.

172 posted on 04/11/2012 8:43:16 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useless.)
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To: Fledermaus

Where do you get the idea there will ever be a “next time”, for anybody to learn from.

If Obama has another term he will destroy America, and Republicans, Hot, Cold, or Mild won’t ever have a voice.

In another term he’ll have a compliant majority on the Supreme Court, and nobody to stop him from ignoring Congress or the people.
Now, if you’ve got some clever plan to win a 2nd civil war, maybe you’ve got a point.


173 posted on 04/11/2012 8:50:30 PM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: G Larry

I disagree. If conservatives keep focusing on the Congress, governorships and state legislatures (which the Dems lost in droves in 2010) then O can’t do anything even if he does get reelected.

This is the real power. Marxist can play dictator all they want but if conservatives control Congress (not wimps like Boehner and McConnell) they won’t get the funds to do so. True oversight can get rid of more of the unionized civil servant bureaucracy than Mitt Romney would on his own.

Obama can’t do anything, that’s why he’s whining and projecting and playing the same old Dem playbook going back to 1932.

But you put in another RINO like Romney, he’ll just water down Dem ideas and say “I can make a better ponzi scheme” like GW did. Or his daddy. For god’s sake man, GHW Bush got beat by the Dems in Congress over cable bills.

Push the so-called independents far enough (most today aren’t of the age to really know bad times no matter how it looks today) out of their jobs and even they’ll wake up and pay attention.

Why keep settling for Charlie Brown thinking he will finally kick Lucy’s football. America is already destroyed as we know it, so let’s fight now and stop, as usual, looking four years down the road.

And Romney ain’t the one to lead the charge. As to the 2nd civil war, no need. Just more real conservatives in states and with governors that will stand up to the feds and say “NO”! This fight cannot be won in Washington.


174 posted on 04/11/2012 10:09:21 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useless.)
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To: G Larry

Which Supreme Court justice do you expect to die or retire while Obama is president: Thomas, Scalia, Kennedy, Roberts, or Alito?

Have they said so?


175 posted on 04/12/2012 3:35:05 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: xzins

You deserve 4 more years of Obama...


176 posted on 04/12/2012 5:45:35 AM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: G Larry; Jim Robinson

Ginsberg and Stevens, both liberals, though old and/or ill, persevered through the Bush years so that their seats would not be nominated by Bush but perhaps by a Democrat. They waited long enough. (Sadly, Stevens was a republican nomination by a soul-mate of Romney’s, Gerald (rockefeller) Ford.)

What makes you think one of our conscientious justices would do anything less than what those 2 did? What makes you think they wouldn’t wait to retire until a conservative was appointed?

In fact, since Romney’s record is as an appointer of LIBERAL justices, what makes you think that isn’t part of the GOP-e’s game plan — pressure the older scotus justices to retire so romney can appoint a liberal court?

That would be just like an elitest.

And what about the above post or my previous one was rude to you?


177 posted on 04/12/2012 6:13:49 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: xzins

We have to keep Hussein and Pelosi out of power. Unfortunately, that sticks us with Boner and Mittens.


178 posted on 04/13/2012 1:22:08 PM PDT by crosshairs (As long as there is evil, "Coexist" is impossible.)
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To: PhiloBedo
Romney is equivalent to being boiled slow.

Obama is a fast boil.

Either way, we are cooked. I had just as soon get to the breaking point and get it over with.


That's the way I feel about a nucular attack. I'd rather be at ground zero and get it over right away and avoid the prolonged suffering.
179 posted on 04/13/2012 1:24:33 PM PDT by crosshairs (As long as there is evil, "Coexist" is impossible.)
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To: xzins
"Hardly. A vote for Obama is a vote for Obama. A vote for Romney is a vote for Romney. A vote for an alternative candidate is a vote for that candidate. In America voters are still allowed to vote their principles. Anyone who votes their principles gets a commendation from me. At least they’re not wishy-washy or dishonest."

Thank you for that. I thought I was just one of the few who held that belief.....

180 posted on 04/30/2012 8:05:12 AM PDT by NoRedTape
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