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To: YHAOS
How would you know that is the case here? You haven't read the protocol and consent forms (and have little desire to). Also keep in mind that medical ethics is “a subject of great debate.”

I know that's the case here because, although I haven't read that specific protocol and consent form, I have read many other protocols and consent forms, and have taken the training to sit on an Independent Review Board. Plus, I have sat in on quite a number of IRB meetings. The laws regarding medical research ethics are quite clear.

No researcher is allowed to sit in on a board regarding his/her own research project, or a project in which he/she has some professional interest (for instance, a physician trying to recruit subjects for a study, but who isn't doing the study himself would not be allowed to sit on the board).

Here is a link to the website of a company that does IRB reviews. It does a pretty good job of explaining what the IRB process is all about.

And I said that there is still quite a bit of debate over medical research ethics because it is possible to recognize that there are many areas where there is not broad agreement on what, exactly, is ethical while still agreeing that it is necessary to be as ethical as possible in conducting research.

It is generally agreed that patients considering whether to participate in a study should be given full disclosure. However, in some studies (especially psychological studies), giving full disclosure to the patient would skew the results of the study. So the study author wants to deceive the patients about the purpose of the study--for instance, they might be told that the study is about how package design affects their decision to purchase a product, but in reality, the researcher is testing the type of person they are most likely to buy from (someone who looks and talks a lot like them, someone who is drastically different, someone they see as a peer, or someone they see as an authority, for example). If the researcher tells them the real point of the study, they will try to guess the researcher's expectations, and act accordingly. But if they think they are just judging the package, the researcher can gather unbiased data. They are only told after the conclusion of the study what the real purpose was. The ethical discussion is on whether it is okay to lie about the purpose of the study, when telling the truth would change the results.

Other ethical discussions involve whether it is acceptable to exclude pregnant women from studies, or to require that women use some form of contraceptive during the study (since the researcher doesn't want to be responsible for harming a fetus)--do such requirements restrict a woman's autonomy? I could go on; the point I was trying to make is that another Tuskegee isn't going to happen, but there are still many grey areas.

Wherever there is government money to be spent, there will be politics. To bemoan that dynamic is to betray either an ignorance of how government works, or to betray an annoyance that the resources of others can’t be spent without their oopposition.

Given that I've been associated with the military during my whole adult life, I think I have a fairly good idea of how the government and politics work. Besides that, my PhD--like that of most people in my field--was mostly paid for by the government (state and federal). In my assessment of this particular case, I assigned the political motives to Steve Milloy--along with the physician who wrote that letter--because I believe they are trying to point out a perceived inconsistency in EPA policy.

The reality is that, at the upper levels, the EPA operates politically--political appointees with little to no scientific background run it according to the politicians' whims. And, clearly, the politicians do try to accrue political power by using the EPA. But the scientists at the EPA are not politicians; they are trying to do the research that they believe has value (because of questions raised about particulate pollution, it *is* important to determine what, if any, effect that has on human health). They will conduct the research according to their understanding of the risks, not according to the EPA's politically motivated policies. And that is what Steve Milloy is using to make some political points. Don't get me wrong--I respect Steve Milloy, and I find his Junk Science website very interesting, even if I disagree with him on this point.

218 posted on 06/29/2012 4:54:49 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom; YHAOS
No researcher is allowed to sit in on a board regarding his/her own research project, or a project in which he/she has some professional interest (for instance, a physician trying to recruit subjects for a study, but who isn't doing the study himself would not be allowed to sit on the board).

I am familiar with both IRB and IACUC oversight and agree strongly that one objective is to prohibit conflict of interest, as you say.

However, in reality, IRB and IACUC committees staffed by institution employees (and in particular tenured professors) have failed when a voting member is a dear friend to a PI found on the wrong side of an inspection.

When that happens as a regular pattern of behavior then the remaining hope is that a brave insider will report the matter under the protection of a Whistleblower Statute.

Heck of a note...

219 posted on 06/30/2012 9:21:11 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: exDemMom; Alamo-Girl
I assigned the political motives to Steve Milloy--along with the physician who wrote that letter--because I believe they are trying to point out a perceived inconsistency in EPA policy.

So the “inconsistency” is purely a perception? There are two sides to every issue. But, by your lights, the politics are to be found entirely on the one (the private side)? The “other” side, of course, being thoroughly pure, untainted by even the slightest whiff of politics or the prospect of ideological gain?

The reality is that, at the upper levels, the EPA operates politically--political appointees with little to no scientific background run it according to the politicians' whims. And, clearly, the politicians do try to accrue political power by using the EPA.

The reality is that bureaucrats in any federal department, as well as the politicians to whom they are ultimately responsible (supposedly), will design their scientific research grants and mandates to fit their information ministry needs, irrespective of what the People need. Their behavioral pattern has long been set, as A-G in #219 has observed.

But the scientists at the EPA are not politicians; they are trying to do the research that they believe has value . . .

Scientists are doing what “government” (the bureaucrats and the politicians of government) believes has value. If it wants entrée to government largess, Science must go “ta-ta” for its money. Steve Milloy and many another, along with the physician who wrote the letter, opposes the corruption of Science and our government represented by such abuses.

222 posted on 07/03/2012 2:33:07 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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