Skip to comments.I am not Trayvon MArtin
Posted on 04/27/2012 1:49:34 PM PDT by Mark Mayberry
The picture is featured above and is also goes on to state that it was a meeting held by the NAACP on my college campus on April 4th. Now this flyer got me thinking as I stood in line to return my books and if you have never returned books on the last day of the semester, let me tell you, I had a lot of time to think.
I decided that even though most people want to believe otherwise, most of us are not Trayvon Martin at all. As a matter of fact, I am nothing like Trayvon nor would I want to be. It leads me to ponder this question, what does it say about America that so many people think they want to be like Trayvon Martin?
My parents were fairly strict on me as a child and although I hated it when I was younger, I now understand why they were and it is driven home a little more every time I see a cautionary tale such as this. I was never in trouble outside of the normal realms of being a bored teenager. For that reason I never found myself in a strange neighborhood after dark being pursued by a member of the neighborhood watch. I would have never dreamed of bringing drugs or stolen property to school mostly because I was raised with a strict code of decency and in my community we were all good people who didnt take part in such things. Also the fact that even at the age of seventeen I am fairly sure my father would not have been opposed to snatching me up for such deeds didnt hurt as a deterrent.
This story involved my parents quite a bit and I didnt even realize it until I started to frame out the article. Much of the things that have been unearthed about Trayvon Martim since his death are a result of absent parenting in my opinion. My father always instilled in me to respect everyone but most of all women. For that reason I would never issue public Internet statements through various social media sites using disparaging and misogynistic terms. I was raised in an atmosphere where that was not permitted and if you broke that rule there was a consequence.
From the time I was young my parents both taught me that there was something to be said for hard work and honest living. My parents, both of whom are successful in their respective fields of employment were great role models to support their claims. Because of that influence and example I am now on my way to being a successful person in my chosen field and never once have I thought it would be cool to dress in baggy jeans with a hood covering my face. Not to say that I dont own any hoodies but the hood is more of a useless addition to the sweatshirt and not to be worn. I am a firm believer that how you dress sways peoples initial opinion. I try to dress my best when I am around town and meeting people so I am taken seriously in public. For the same reason that I assume the guy wearing a badge is a police officer, I also assume the guy walking around with his pants falling down and wearing an oversized hoodie is a criminal. If you dont want to be known as a criminal then dont wear the uniform.
I have no middle finger pictures online nor do I own any gold teeth and although I do have one tattoo it is covered a majority of the time and no one is any the wiser. The point I am trying to make here is that Trayvon went to great lengths to convince people that he was a thug, living the lifestyle of a ghetto super star and there are consequences to this decision.
If I had to choose, I would say that I am George Zimmerman. George Zimmerman is a devoted husband who works diligently and does volunteer work with disadvantaged people and at risk youth. He also volunteered in his neighborhood and most people only have good things to say about him. Zimmerman has goals and career dreams that he hopes to attain much as I do and because of that I can understand the hard work that goes into pursuing a dream.
Much like Zimmerman I volunteer in my community and do what I can to help out. Until I moved to Tennessee for school I was a volunteer firefighter and still take part in many activities to help out those less fortunate.
Also I am a concealed weapons permit holder and this is the reason that this case was originally of particular interest to me. It wasnt until later when Zimmerman was crucified in the media with lies and omissions that I took up the cause. (Check out my story on the media bias in the Trayvon Martin case.) Anyone who carries a gun (legally) understands the responsibility and the risk you take in defending your own life. Because of this I know that unless some new unforeseen evidence surfaces, Zimmerman didnt shoot Martin on a whim or for kicks, as some would have you to believe.
So I will ask again in closing, are you really Trayvon Martin? Do you want your kids to be Trayvon Martin? I for one, try everyday not be Trayvon Martin and to live my life as a productive member of society and a point of pride for my parents not a point of failure.
How about everyone blindfold themselves and we judge GZ/TM by the content of their character.
Live like a thug, die like a thug.
Well written...you reap what you sow.
Why is it that Trayvon Martin is a “thug” because he was suspennded from school? Many currently productive and successful members of society also had issues in high school. Trayvon Martin was a A/B student with no history of violence. As to the notion that he should not have been going to the store while it was dark, that borders on the ridiculous. OTH, Zimmerman does have a history of violence against undercover cops and woman. Why doesn’t that bother you?
If Zimmerman’s head had been “smashed” into concrete, there would have been severe damage, most likely scull fracture and concussion. I saw two small cuts, no stitches, no hospitalization. The head, along with the nose, lips, ear lobes, bleed easily and you may see a extreme amount of blood caused by a small cut or abrasion. Untill I see medical records charting severe head trauma and a broken nose, I will continue to question Zimmermans’s story. I feel you see a hero and I fear this is a result of a wanna be cop.
I think you had better look again. Trayvon did have a history of violence. He attacked a school bus driver
I have read a lot of threads where folks have equated Mr. Zimmerman to being a hero and feeling this is pivotal to gun carry and stand your ground.
I did hear the 911 tape where Mr. Zimmerman was told to NOT pursue Mr. Martin. Yet he continued to pursue him. Now, if that's one of the 911 tapes that was edited, then forgive me for commenting in an area where I haven't done enough due diligence. But from the point where I heard that, I have been bothered by those treating Mr. Zimmerman as a hero. The situation was escalated when he chose to pursue Mr. Martin.
I don't know that anyone here has taken a moment and put themselves into Mr. Martin's shoes. Isn't it possible that he thought his life was in danger? Isn't it possible he was “standing his ground” and trying to protect his life? The same thing that Mr. Zimmerman has been applauded for?
I'm not saying that's what happened. I wasn't there. But I do wonder about it.
Excellent article, Mark.
If I had to shoot someone in self defense, I would be upset about it for the loss of human life.
When young people flirt with darkness held out by liberals as cool - like the black thug criminal and racist culture - it’s not long before you are acting it out, playing the part and attacking others. If you choose that path, you will end up dead or in prison. Better Trayvon be stopped than read the obit of Zimmerman - another decent normal person no one cares about taken out by another black thug. All colors of people serve as victim to this thug mentality.
To liberals the good guys are bad guys and the bad guys are good guys. They dominate and direct the culture, leading many young people the way of Trayvon and destructive acts held up for white young people, too.
It will never change with them, but Americans need to understand the choice and not follow blindly along like sheep to the slaughter. You did the best. You listened to your parents and did not fall prey.
I see Zimmerman, a lib who is getting his just deserts. I see Martin, a savage who got what was coming to him. Now I see BLOC77. I don't hold any of you in high esteem.
Don't take Sharpton's story for the truth. Zimmerman told the operator 'Okay' and says he started back because he lost track of Martin.
This could be the truth.
Martin was obviously a thug wannabe who was both larger than Zimmerman and who obviously, according to witnesses, was assaulting Zimmerman. It is very clear who the agressor was.
I read that he attacked a bus driver and was caught in school with jewerly. Did you read that? Or did you only read about skittles boy?
I think this is probably true. Trayvon was a good kid and a bad kid - like all kids. He decided to attack and beat a man who had a gun for self defense. The man had the right to stop Trayvon in his thug adventure. Trayvon is dead before he got a chance to grow out of his thug cool phase which often happens to young people who dabble in thug for a season. It's sad and horrible. People who dabble in a season of darkness often receive deadly and suffering consequences. It is a very serious decision young people make.
But the elitists hold up the black thug culture as if it is the meaning of being a righteous black teen. If you cared you would tell them to stop it rather than play dummy for the thug culture. It's not hip. It's deadly.
Comment: However,you can learn "To Trayvon" a new verb recently added to the English language. It means "Planting a .30 caliber,or greater, bullet in the center of mass of a Hoodie wearing assailant." Examples: I trayvon. I am trayvoning.I do trayvon. etc. etc.
He’s not a thug because he was supended from school, he’s a thug because he was a violent criminal, and now he’s a dead violent criminal.
Did you hear it?
In the tape I heard, the dispatcher, who is not a law officer, said we don’t need you to do that, to which Zimmerman responded OK, then can be heard to stop running.
He obeyed the suggestion.
What tape did you listen to?
He is not just a thug because he was suspended from school, but the reasons he was suspended have a lot to do with it. Plus his twitter page in which he gave himself the screen name of "No limit N***a"" and made various comments about being associated with gang bangers had a lot to do with it. Add to that the fact his associates claim he decked a bus driver(no proof of that yet, but his friends think he did)and was suspended Multiple times, not just once, speaks to the fact he was not a model student but was indeed either a full blown thug or a thug wanna be.
Want more? Stolen jewels on his person, burglary tools on his person and MJ on his person at school.
Still not convinced? Well then I guess you are just hopelessly imbued with the PC sickness.
You and the other Trayvons need some education on how to behave in a civilized society. I don’t live in a gated community, but a community where we all know each other and keep watch on our property.Trayvon would have had multiple gunshot wounds from people of different ethnicities in my neighborhood
All Martin had to do was go home....he doubled back, and paid the price....that is the reality the parents have to deal with......and the black community contributed to Martin’s death by not discouraging “Thug ware” clothes styles that make kids look like jail birds who are portrayed on TV and movies as cool......and that is reality....
I will say up front I have not delved into the whole Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman matter.
That’s obvious. There are two sides to this story as there are to all stories. There are the facts, backed up by police audio and eyewitnesses. There is then the case brought by the race baiters and the special prosecutor. Zimmerman should just skip country and go somewhere that has no extradition treaty with this country. He won’t get a fair trial, and his life has already been destroyed by the liberal media.
This is a lie that has been perpetrated by the MSM by using edited tapes. The fact is the 9/11 call in which the operator asked him to stop following GZ replied "OK" and broke off the surveillance and told them he was returning to his truck to meet the cops. He was then followed and attacked by TM. Eye witnesses saw it happen. TM was not standing his ground but initiated the confrontation. GZ, BTW, is not pleading stand your ground but simple self defense.
The reality is we most likely will never know what happened that night. But we do know that if Zimmerman had never pursued Martin, this tragedy would not have occcurred. To call a junior in high school a “savage” is gut wrenching. This could have been my kid who walks to the store quite often. BTW, I guess you don’t hold the two lead investigators in high esteem either as they asked the local D.A. for an arrest warrent. They stated to the D.A. that they DID NOT BELIEVE Zimmerman’s story. It was the local D.A. that felt “Stand you Ground” law would make a conviction difficult.
You don’t know that Martin attacked Zimmerman, no one knows. What I do know is that the two lead investigators did not believe Zimmerman’s story and wanted an arrest warrent. This is when the stand your ground law became an issue. I know there is a dead seventeen year old and to call him a “thug” and a “savage” is heart wrenching to me. I would not want my life and character to be defined and judged at age seventeen. Trayvon was young and stupid, a lot of kids are at that age. But he didn’t deserve to die.
Holy Crap, where are the convictions and arrests? According to your definition, Zimmerman’s a thug.
Wake up dude, use your brain.
Zimmerman had injuries on his backside, Trayvon didn’t. Duh, who attacked who??
By the way, in case you didn’t know, there’s no “right” to jump, assault, or attack someone, just because you think they’re shadowing you.
Did you follow the Duke Lacrosse case? I think it is harder to follow this case if you are not familiar when the media's and the Left’s (the race pimps) pattern of racial and emotional manipulation here.
If a seventeen year old boy jumped you and started smashing your head, broke your nose and was wailing away on your body, you would not be thinking of him as an innocent anything. “Kids” this age and younger have been jumping whites in packs and beating them since last summer in Chicago, Philadelphia, St. Louis, Denver, Cincinnati, etc.
If it happened to me, I would not hesitate to shoot. If you want to get shot or go to prison, act the racist thug. If you choose to give up your life and health for the sake of a thug, that is your choice. A thug is a bad azz who thinks it s a good idea to jump someone they perceive weaker than themselves or their mob.
Yes I have been following this case, There are NO WITNESSES that saw Martin jump Zimmerman. Two witnesses saw the scuffle with two figures on the ground. No one knows who instigated the fight. LEO addmitted as much during the bail hearing. As an ER nurse for over 14 years, Zimmerman’s injuries appear to be minor. If his head had been slammed into pavement he would have been immediately transported to the nearest trauma center. Usually EMT’s and LEO’s insist on transportting due to liability factors. Once there he could have refused treatment, but for what reason? There appear to be two small cuts and I still haven’t seen the broken nose. There appears to a rush to judgement on both sides. Medical records will be released due Florida’s sunshine law. What do you want to bet there aren’t any? This will severely impact his claim of a severe beating. I think Zimmerman’s has an anger problem, did you hear the tape? He demonstrated anger towards Martin before he even got out of his truck. His history shows a hothead.
No, Zimmerman isn’t dead.
You don’t even know how to read, do you?
Thank you, George, for ridding society of the parasitic black thug, Martin. It’s just too bad that the society you aided is full to the brim of idiots too stupid to realize how you have aided it with your sacrifice, and now they persecute you.
Americans deserve their fate, and I hope you and yours are at the front of the line on the day of the Fall, BLOC77.
Excellent article! Thanks for posting it here on FR, Mark.
Zimmerman’s attorney offered the prosecutor a copy of his medical record at the bond hearing as they had not bothered to obtain the record. Keep an open mind.
On the full 911 tape when the person said, “We don’t need you to do that.” (after asking if he was following Trayvon and Zimmerman responded, Yes), Zimmerman clearly said OK. And it was not a directive....keep an open mind....
Zimmerman passed a “voice stress test” given by police the night of the shooting which probably contributed to his release. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/06/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-blotter-idUS214913966420120406
Keep an open mind.
You and I do believe in justice and that will be done through the court. There are arguments on both sides and mostly it is nonsense because of all the spin and lies.
I despise it that race pimps, including the president, are stoking black hate and racist attacks on whites for the cause of taking away the right to self defense. They could care less about Trayvon. He’s a pawn. They don’t care about the white people who have been attacked in Trayvon’s name either. Human life is dirt to them. Disarmed, the American people can not resist their radicalism. They have the blood of innocent people on their hands and have driven another deep wedge in the country for their power to overcome the constitution and rule.
We will know more as the trial unfolds, if the judge decides the charges are not politically motivated and justified. I’ll be surprised if he does not dismiss the case. There is no case.
See you around Freeper town. :)
Therefore, whatever it was that the responder told Mr. Z it had no force of law one way or the other. Maybe someone has the facts on this.
“Isn’t it possible that he thought his life was in danger?”
If so, why was he on the phone with his girlfriend, instead of calling 911? I can guarantee who I’d call if I thought my life was in danger, and it wouldn’t be a girlfriend hundreds of miles away.
Kudos to your parents, and all parents who have taken the time to raise their kids right.
From what I read that is my understanding as well.
We dont have a videotape of the incident, we dont absolutely know how Martin and Zimmerman engaged. What we do think we know is that Zimmerman called the police, and Martin did not, tho he had and used a cell phone just before the incident. We also know that Zimmerman had a gun and that Martin was, we are endlessly told, "unarmed. And the reports from the neighbors were that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, and Zimmerman was calling for help. For those who think that it was Martin who called for help, I wonder how they reconcile that theory with the fact that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, until Zimmerman shot him. Passing strange to waste your breath shouting Help! when you are winning the fight, and not in your own familiar stomping grounds where people know you and will help you but in conflict with someone who for all you know might have been the owner of the property you had just trespassed on.Zimmerman knew the police would soon be there before the two of them engaged; he had just been told that on the phone. Maybe calling for the police beforehand was just his sneaky way of making it look like he did not plan to shoot Martin? Seems a bit of a stretch to me.
So far as is known, the Zimmerman version of events is not contradicted by any of the neighbors, and since the police were already on the way they had zero time to think about coordinating a lie, so they would have just told the truth.The prosecution has no witnesses who will impeach Zimmermans story. And stand your ground has nothing to do with what you are allowed to do when someone is trying to bash your head into the cement. Retreat was not an option on the table at that moment. How do you convince a jury of a defendants guilt beyond a reasonable doubt when the evidence matches up with the defendants story and not with your own???
Excellent article on the “girlfriend” stories...there were 3 different recollections of the conversation...
The portion of the phone interview that was released takes just a few seconds to listen to. It was broadcast on ABC’s Young Turks and then on World News with Diane Sawyer. Dee-Dee’s actual words are
“he say this man was watching him so he put his hoodie on. Trayvon say what you are following me for. Then the man say what you doin’ round here. Someone push Trayvon because the headset just fell.” After the first sentence a reporter interpolates: “Suddenly Martin was cornered.”
A different version, though credited to ABC, was broadcast on CNN. This is the interview featured on the Parks and Crump website.
“He was walkin’ fast when he say this man behind him again. He come an say this look like he about to do somethin’ to him. And then Trayvon come an say the man was still behind him and then I come an say run.”
In its printed rendition, ABC provided still a third version:
“He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man. I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run, but he said he was not going to run.”
“Trayvon said, ‘What are you following me for,’ and the man said, ‘What are you doing here.’ Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again, and he didn’t answer the phone.”
The printed ABC version has been edited and cleaned up to emphasize two things: 1) that a frightened Martin was pursued, escaped, and then caught by George Zimmerman and 2) that Zimmerman started the fight.
A few problems with each claim:
We know from Zimmerman’s phone call that Martin was aware of him at most 40 seconds into the call, or by around 7:10. He was shot at about 7:16. From where Zimmerman was standing, it was about 850 feet to the townhouse Martin was staying in. Had he walked fast, the seventeen-year-old could have been back home in less than a minute. There would have been no conversation and no fight.
No guy will admit he’s lost, but Dee-Dee does not report Martin saying anything like “these @#$% buildings all look alike.” If Martin was not disoriented, the only reason he did not return directly to the townhouse was because he chose not to.
As for the final words Dee-Dee reported hearing:
1. They don’t sound anything like the immediate prelude to a fight. Two questions are asked: Why are you following me? and What are you doing here? Without knowing anything about the individuals who asked them, it’s difficult to believe these words would provoke a fight without any further exchanges.
2. Zimmerman had called the police 5 minutes earlier. He expected an officer to arrive at any moment. The last thing he wanted to do is get into a fight with the guy he’s called them about. If he got out of his truck a second time — and this seems to be the key piece of evidence in the prosecutor’s case — common sense says that he was attempting to locate the suspicious stranger so he could point the officer in the right direction.
3. Among the six individuals making 911 calls, at least one reported hearing an argument before the fight broke out. The woman’s account was presented as a rebuttal to the eyewitness who had seen Martin on top, beating Zimmerman. Unfortunately, she had seen nothing. But she did hear loud voices, that of a “man,” deeper and more aggressive, and a quieter “boy.” There was not merely an exchange of questions.
4. What does pushing sound like? Even the media does not insist that the fight began with Zimmerman pushing Martin, though this now seems to be widely believed.
5. If Zimmerman did in fact ask Martin what he was doing here, there was a perfectly good answer: “I happen to be staying with my dad and his girlfriend, a**hole.” And he could have given the address. This was not how Martin responded.
6. You have every right to approach a suspicious stranger walking in your community and ask him what he’s doing there. This is not chasing or stalking. The stranger in this case was 6’ 2” or 6’ 3” and weighed about 160 pounds. It was a little after 7 p.m. in a gated community. If he was simply returning from an errand (though we know now he was not), he had no reason to be frightened. Perhaps the little twelve-year-old in the hoodie might have been scared, but it says something about the veracity of Dee-Dee’s story that it needs this dishonest illustration to make it stick.
So what did happen in the final moments before the fight? According to Zimmerman, he was headed back to his truck for the second time when he was surprised by Martin, who was waiting for him between two buildings. The teenager said, “Do you have a f***ing problem?,” and when Zimmerman replied “no,” said, “You do now,” and decked him. Zimmerman told police that he reached for his cell as he said “no.”
If in fact he was not challenged as he reported — the “do you have a f***ing problem?” being a purely rhetorical question — the possibility exists that Martin thought Zimmerman was reaching for a weapon, and struck him in self-defense. But if Zimmerman is telling the truth, it was he who was waylaid by the teenager, not the other way around, and that Martin’s attack on him was premeditated.
Julison, the spokesman for the Crump law firm, said that there were no plans to release a fuller version of the phone interview with Dee-Dee, and that the girl would not be speaking to the media again. The next time we hear from her, he said, will be in court, if she’s asked to testify.
Excellent post.....Zimmerman medical records confirm his injuries....Coroner’s report confirm no markings on Trayvon except the gunshot wound. Pretty solid...
Excellent post.....Zimmerman medical records confirm his injuries....Coroner’s report confirm no markings on Trayvon except the gunshot wound. Pretty solid...
17 is plenty old enough to be viewed and judged as an adult. Here in Texas we will give you the needle at 17. Only liberals whine about extending childhood into the 20 's PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY that is what true conservatives live by. By 17 I was serving my country honorably in the armed forces and had 2 semesters of college down as well. I graduated high school at 16 two years early. I most certainly stand by the MAN I was at 17. This No_limit_nigga got what he deserved when he attacked a man smaller in size than him who also had a gun. Who cares if the dispatcher told him no need to follow dispatchers are not law agents and have NO LEGAL AUTHORITY even then he said OK and turned back to his vehicle. He deserved to die for putting the life of another man at risk by beating him to the ground. What is also of importance is that the shell casing was not ejected from the gun, the only way this happens is if the slide is prevented from cycling to full rear. The most common cause of this is someone has there hand over the top of the gun, given that the thug was shot from the front with an upward bullet path this all points to GZ on his back with TM over him with TM hand on the gun. That from this professionals point of view is a good shoot then. I say professional because I was an MP for 2yrs MPI for 2 more and CID for 4 years I know a thing or two about crime scene investigation and ballistics. It is oviouse you are letting emotion rule your thought process but the facts will come out and from the facts released so far it looks like GZ got a good shoot and TM was just a thug who assaulted the wrong armed citizen. If that is true as the facts will eventually prove one way or the other then yeah he did deserve to die for assaulting a smaller man with a fireman
Good grief, the one with a police record was the one holding a gun over a dead seventeen year old kid. Everyone ignores that fact. As to the rest of your post, haven’t you heard about due process? That was not afforded to Martin. Again, the two lead investigators did not believe Zimmermans’s story. I guess the LEO are also partisan hacks. Sorry Zimmerman’s actions are questionable. Still waiting to see the medical records. Zimmerman’s attorney could release them tomorrow, there is no HIPPA conflict. There will be no release of medical records charting severe head and facial injuries becuase no such records exist. Zimmerman is not a hero.