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Mississippi Democrat party running scared
scribd ^ | 05/06/2012 | edge919

Posted on 05/06/2012 12:21:36 PM PDT by edge919

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Second, this motion, of course, ignores that 18 Supreme Court justices agreed on a definition of natural-born citizen the precludes Obama from being Constitutionally eligible. Nothing they cited (CRS memos and state appeals court rulings) outweigh the SCOTUS precedent: “all children born in the country to parents who were its citizens.” If nothing else, the MDEC created a mountain of paperwork for Orly Taitz to defend against, but it should only take ONE document to win this case ... and that's a document the Kenyan Coward refuses to submit in court. Hopefully the judge won't fall for this smoke and mirrors trick.
1 posted on 05/06/2012 12:21:43 PM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919

Mark...


2 posted on 05/06/2012 12:32:23 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: edge919

God bless Orly, even if she is always tripping over her own feet.


3 posted on 05/06/2012 12:33:59 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: edge919

Anyone but Taitz. It would be nice if anyone else would bring these cases.


4 posted on 05/06/2012 12:34:24 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: wiggen

Something is going on here. In other states, they basically got away with the so-called “empty table/empty suit” defense by doing little to respond and forcing the judges to make excuses for the Kenyan Coward. By contrast, this is very highly detailed motion against a plaintiff who hasn’t had a successful time challenging Obama.


5 posted on 05/06/2012 12:40:59 PM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919

You mean, in behalf of a plaintiff?

Maybe... it isn’t just Orly cranking out the legal paperwork this time. Maybe she got a partner with a clue.


6 posted on 05/06/2012 12:51:29 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: wiggen
Anyone but Taitz. It would be nice if anyone else would bring these cases.

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No one else in the whole eligibity furball...
--Has remained on task with the same tenacity as Orly Taitz...

Just sayin'

7 posted on 05/06/2012 1:35:37 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: wiggen
Anyone but Taitz. It would be nice if anyone else would bring these cases.

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No one else in the whole eligibity furball...
--Has remained on task with the same tenacity as Orly Taitz...

Just sayin'

8 posted on 05/06/2012 1:35:54 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: Wings-n-Wind

And no one else has the ability to piss off state judges quite the way she seems to manage it.

She needs a local presenter anywhere she goes. IANAL, but I did watch her presentation here in GA live, and it’s on that plus reading similar comments about her style elsewhere that I base my comments.


9 posted on 05/06/2012 1:41:00 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Wings-n-Wind

No doubt but i read article after article (which i find nowhere but here) where she makes a misstep.


10 posted on 05/06/2012 2:32:11 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: onyx; DrewsMum; Tupelo; mstar; jdirt; Vietnam Vet From New Mexico; wardaddy; KLT; montesquiue; ...

Ms ping


11 posted on 05/06/2012 2:49:57 PM PDT by WKB (There are too many coincidences in this world...... for this world to be a coincidence.)
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To: edge919

‘...the SCOTUS precedent: “all children born in the country to parents who were its citizens.”’
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Of course, if that were a SCOTUS precedent, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.


12 posted on 05/06/2012 5:22:55 PM PDT by BigGuy22
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To: HiTech RedNeck

>> You mean, in behalf of a plaintiff? <<

Orly may not know the difference.


13 posted on 05/06/2012 6:13:04 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Hawthorn

LOL I half believe it.


14 posted on 05/06/2012 8:08:12 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: Wings-n-Wind

Trouble is she keeps on covering the whole ball with fur.


15 posted on 05/06/2012 8:09:11 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: edge919
Mississippi Democrat party running scared

Hardly...they're laying a solid foundation for future birther lawsuits.

This document reads like a classic FR birther thread. They articulate the Taitz claim, and then rebut it.

Sloppy birther legal strategery is helping establish anti-birther precedent. These folks are using numerous previous losses to buttress their case... and "RICO" may have been the last straw. I think they want to put an end to Orly's antics once and for all. Besides...the Dems would love to have her in California running against Feinstein.

16 posted on 05/06/2012 9:51:48 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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Hardly...they're laying a solid foundation for future birther lawsuits.

There have already about 100 so-called birther lawsuits. It's taken this long for someone to lay down a "solid foundaton"??? ... and sorry, but the motion reads like a classic Fogger and Faither disinformation website. The "anti-birther precedents" have been all over the road ... one assumes Obama was born in Hawaii ... with no legal evidence to support the assumption ... another simply says that proving his place of birth is irrelevant ... another says that the NBC precedent is in Ankeny ... another says it's in Minor, but only for defining NBC outside of the Constitution, which is true, but undermines the conclusion made by the judges. There's certainly sloppy strategery, but it's not just on the part of so-called birthers.

17 posted on 05/06/2012 10:24:46 PM PDT by edge919
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To: WKB

I’m no lawyer, and I don’t pretend to play one on teevee.

However, I hope and pray that the truth will eventually come out, and will be exposed to everyone to the point where there is nothing in dispute.


18 posted on 05/06/2012 11:59:07 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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"Of course, if that were a SCOTUS precedent, we wouldn’t be having this conversation."

By all means, let's have just such a conversation. Nationally.

Any definition of Natural Born that doesn't act to reinforce the likelihood that the presidential aspirant has loyalty to, and loyalty ONLY TO the US is a flawed definition, no matter how many times Jus Soli adherents posit to the contrary.

It flies in the face not only of the cautionary words of the Founders (Paine, Jay et al) but of logic itself.

“At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizenS became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.” Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874)

That is a part of the holding in a unanimous SCOTUS ruling that has never been overturned.

Born on US sovereign soil to parents who are themselves citizens represents the Gold Standard in citizenship as applies to, and only to eligibility to assume the office of President of the United States and Commander in Chief of our Armed Forces. No person who can claim dual citizenship should be legally eligible to aspire to our nation's highest office. It's a matter of presumed undivided loyalty.

Notice that the relevant language in Minor states "were natives, or natural-born citizens" rather than "include." Lawyers and judges are very, very careful about each and every word that they pen when handing down a ruling.

You can bet that this wording was intentional and is a good example of judicial restraint.

19 posted on 05/07/2012 1:51:37 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: edge919; David

Is it true in a court of law that if a copy is submitted (by Obama’s side) as evidence, then the other side can demand the original.

Did Obama’s side submit the photocopy?


20 posted on 05/07/2012 4:18:48 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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