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Mark Steyn: Eternally shifting sands of Obama's biography
OC Register ^ | 5-18-12 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 05/18/2012 2:28:19 PM PDT by radioone

It used to be a lot simpler. As E.C. Bentley deftly summarized it in 1905:

"Geography is about maps, But Biography is about chaps."

But that was then, and now Biography is also about maps. For example, have you ever thought it would be way cooler to have been born in colonial Kenya?

Whoa, that sounds like crazy Birther talk; don't go there! But Breitbart News did, and it turns out that the earliest recorded example of Birtherism is from the president's own literary agent, way back in 1991, in the official bio of her exciting new author:

"Barack Obama, the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii."

So the lunatic theory that Barack Obama doesn't meet the minimum eligibility requirements to be president of the United States was first advanced by Barack Obama's official representative. Where did she get that wacky idea from? "This was nothing more than a fact-checking error by me," says Obama's literary agent, Miriam Goderich, a "fact" that went so un-"checked" that it stayed up on her agency's website in the official biography of her by-then-famous client up until 2007:

(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


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1 posted on 05/18/2012 2:28:28 PM PDT by radioone
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To: radioone
a "fact" that went so un-"checked" that it stayed up on her agency's website in the official biography of her by-then-famous client up until 2007

I've seen numerous posts about this story, and hundreds (by now ) comments. What I've yet to see is any question about the above date and it's coincidence(?) to the 2008 election.

2 posted on 05/18/2012 2:33:08 PM PDT by bcsco
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http://www.dystel.com/client-list/ "BARACK OBAMA is the 44th President of the United States. He is also the author of the New York Times bestseller DREAMS FROM MY FATHER: A STORY OF RACE AND INHERITANCE." Uh huh. Looks like he got a haircut. Just the facts ma'am.
3 posted on 05/18/2012 2:36:10 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: radioone

And all this time I thought, as the reporter said, he was born to a black man from Kenya and a white man from Kansas.


4 posted on 05/18/2012 2:36:43 PM PDT by 1raider1
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To: radioone

His birthplace evolved.


5 posted on 05/18/2012 2:50:01 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: radioone
In post-racial America...

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6 posted on 05/18/2012 2:56:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: radioone
When it comes to conspiracies, I'm an Occam's Razor man. The more obvious explanation of the variable first line in the eternally shifting sands of Obama's biography is that, rather than pretending to have been born in Hawaii, he's spent much of his life pretending to have been born in Kenya.

Nice Mark. But this obscure Brietbart Brochure would never have been looked for, let alone found, were it not for everything fraudulent about Obama's origins. He couldn't even get a Driver's License where I live.

ML/NJ

7 posted on 05/18/2012 2:58:58 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: radioone
"As The Fordham Law Review reported, "Harvard Law School hired its first woman of color, Elizabeth Warren, in 1995." There is no evidence that Mrs. Warren, now the Democrats' Senate candidate, is anything other than 100 percent white. She walks like a white, quacks like a white, looks whiter than white. She's the whitest white since Frosty the Snowman fell in a vat of Wite-Out."

8 posted on 05/18/2012 3:02:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: radioone

Even Steyn is a sellout on this issue. Sad to say. The possibility that Obama was actually telling the truth about his birthplace way back then isn’t even a consideration.


9 posted on 05/18/2012 3:07:57 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: radioone
After all, if your first book is an exploration of racial identity and has the working title "Journeys In Black And White," being born in Hawaii doesn't really help. It's entirely irrelevant to the twin pillars of contemporary black grievance – American slavery and European imperialism. To 99.99 percent of people, Hawaii is a luxury vacation destination and nothing else.

Whereas Kenya puts you at the heart of what, in an otherwise notably orderly decolonization process by the British, was a bitter and violent struggle against the white man's rule. Cool! The composite chicks dig it, and the literary agents.

I agree with Steyn. I think Obama was lying about where he was born back in 1991 for the very reasons Steyn illustrates above.

I still believe Obama was born in Hawaii. I still believe the Kenyan birth conspiracy was absurd. But I now think that Obama himself was the first "birther" because it just wasn't cool for a revolutionary to have been born in Hawaii.

10 posted on 05/18/2012 3:08:38 PM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: radioone

The absurdity of being called to task for mispronouncing a man’s assumed name.


11 posted on 05/18/2012 3:13:24 PM PDT by relictele (We are officially OUT of other people's money!)
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To: bcsco

I thought I read in one of the stories that it came down from the website two months after he’d announced his bid for the Senate.


12 posted on 05/18/2012 3:14:36 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Drew68

I don’t know where he was born. I’d guess the Canadian theory is as good as any, particularly given the apparent lack of a record of his birth at any Hawaiian hospitals, including the one he has said he was born at.

Does your Hawaiian theory include specifics as to what if any hospital he was born at?


13 posted on 05/18/2012 3:22:00 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
Does your Hawaiian theory include specifics as to what if any hospital he was born at?

I couldn't care less what hospital in Hawaii he was born at. I just firmly believe the notion that his teenage mother took a very expensive and arduous journey by herself to a third-world country specifically to have a baby is ridiculous.

But I now think that Obama might've been playing the "Yeah, I was born in Kenya" card in his early adulthood (or, at the very least, not correcting those who referred to him as Kenyan-born) simply because with the image he was trying to project, it was cooler to have been born in Kenya than Hawaii.

Of course, things changed when he decided to enter politics. At this point, he embraced his American birth.

Yes, I believe Obama lied about where he was born. I believe he was telling people he was born in Kenya and this was the lie.

14 posted on 05/18/2012 3:39:04 PM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: radioone

It’s amazing to watch this play out in real time, as the MSM makes a dying effort to embargo the news.

Shades of Monica Lewinsky, Swiftboat Vets, etc.

Eventually, the dam breaks.

Breitbart.com is doing amazing work, among others. David vs. the MSM Goliaths, and Goliath is staggering.


15 posted on 05/18/2012 3:39:17 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: radioone

Obama should be more worried about where he’s going than where he came from.


16 posted on 05/18/2012 3:41:53 PM PDT by Tau Food (Trust God. Reject Obama. Reject Romney. Reject all evil.)
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To: TheOldLady; Rummyfan; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; ...

Mark Steyn ping.

Freepmail me, if you want on or off the Mark Steyn ping list.


17 posted on 05/18/2012 3:43:58 PM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress))
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To: Drew68

I think it might not be a bad guess that he used ‘international student’ status to get into Columbia, at least, and probably Occidental, maybe even Harvard Law.

But the lack of hospital records in Hawaii coupled with his mother returning to the Pacific Northwest with a newborn baby within a few weeks does feed into the theory that she indulged in the common practice of that time of crossing the US border for free birth under the nationalized healthcare in Canada.

For most people that wouldn’t have affected a kiddo’s citizenship, but with the claims of a Kenyan father and an 18yo American mother it would have. Conveniently Hawaii let anyone living in Hawaii register any family member as born in Hawaii at the time, so it would all fit together.

I really have no idea what the true story is, but I too am suspicious of the Kenyan birth track. I think it may be a red herring that his team tossed out there in part because he himself had made such claims in years past.


18 posted on 05/18/2012 4:08:56 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Travis McGee

It is a BLUE pamphlet!

“Obama born in Hawaii” will become the joke that “Kerry served in Vietnam” was/is.

MSM is no longer relevent, Internet will determine what is talked about at the local water cooler.

It’s the dam* brakes of the bus that BO is throwing folks under that will come to a stop.....Just as Wright opened up for his interview with AMATEUR author, others will open up once it’s apparent he’s going down.


19 posted on 05/18/2012 4:14:04 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: Drew68

SO, the question is:

Is he lying now or was he lying then?


20 posted on 05/18/2012 4:21:26 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: hoosiermama; Lazamataz
Obama's official bio, 1992:

Obama's official bio, 1998:

Obama's official bio, 2007:

Make sure all of these Dystel Agency images are copied and pasted ANYWHERE and EVERYWHERE. They are tiny image files that can be stuck anywhere.

Let the MSM continue their "American Pravda" blackout and coverup.

New Media is going to crush them in the end.

21 posted on 05/18/2012 4:26:34 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: radioone
he picked his crabs carefully.

Larry would know.

22 posted on 05/18/2012 4:34:31 PM PDT by bgill
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To: radioone
... Vice President Biden told them: "You're an incredible generation. And that's not hyperbole, either. Your generation and the 9/11 generation before you are the most incredible group of Americans we have ever, ever, ever produced."

I find it incredible, myself, that so many people without knowledge or skills survived to (chronological) adulthood. Natural selection FAIL.

23 posted on 05/18/2012 4:41:12 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Remember our veterans, today and every day!)
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To: radioone

So Mark Steyn says:

“I’m an Occam’s Razor man. The more obvious explanation of the variable first line in the eternally shifting sands of Obama’s biography is that, rather than pretending to have been born in Hawaii, he’s spent much of his life pretending to have been born in Kenya.”
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I’m disappointed in Mark Steyn’s “reasoning”.

So the fact that Obama had posted to his website a purported “certified Hawaii birth certificate” that turned out (upon examination by expert document examiners) to be a not particularly well done forgery must have been done solely so folks might think he was born in Kenya. Yeah, that’s by far the most logical explanation of Obama’s operatives manufacturing and posting that forgery—so it MUST be true using Steyn’s Occam’s Razor methodology. A contrary explanation that perhaps they wanted to set up “support” for the supposition that Obama was born in Hawaii is ridiculous on its face and therefore not likely to be true using Occam’s Razor rule. To have just a little credence in this latter explanation must mean such a person is simply a crazed “birther”.

There are numerous other little similar indicators—the “most obvious” explanation of their existence certainly must be a life-long (well, maybe only until 2007 when the possibility of the Presidency occurred to him and/or his handlers) pretension by Obama to have been born in Kenya.

Yes, very logical Mr. Steyn. And very courageous of you to step forward with this latest “obvious” explanation. Yes folks, pay no attention to all this smoke seeping out in different places—there’s no fire; just perhaps someone trying to make you believe in an imaginary fire! Isn’t that just so obvious?


24 posted on 05/18/2012 4:43:27 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: InterceptPoint
Its entirely possible that Obama “sexed up” his bio, then changed it again when he got an opportunity to run for President. Just as it is entirely possible that Obama’s Connecticut SSN was the result of a typo at the SSN office. But the coincidences keep growing and growing and...

Another thing I am curious about, is whether or not Obama enrolled in college and took scholarship money as a “foreign student.” That would be fraud, but no big surprise in Obama’s case.

I also find it amusing that we know more about Romney 40-50 years ago than do about Obama, period. Great work, MSM and Secretaries of State of the Several States.

25 posted on 05/18/2012 4:46:30 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: hoosiermama
Is he lying now or was he lying then?

Like his "composite" girlfriend, he was lying then.

I am shocked that this only now surfaced. To me it tells more about the rich, often fictitious fantasy life Obama lived as a young adult than evidence of any conspiracy. And this is far more damning.

26 posted on 05/18/2012 5:18:52 PM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: radioone

So, how do the obammy supporters explain this one away? Typo? BS.

I surmise that in 91, Obama had no such visions of being president so he could be honest about being born in Kenya. But later, he had to lie. Seems his sanitation crew missed this little gem.

But who is going to confront him and have him explain it?


27 posted on 05/18/2012 5:24:59 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: hoosiermama
others will open up once it’s apparent he’s going down.

I agree. Rev. Wright doesn't give a sh*t anymore (excuse my French), and others will follow.
28 posted on 05/18/2012 5:46:50 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: Travis McGee
Make sure you send everything you find to Brietbart.com Not only will they need the material to show the world that it's not just a poor single edit, but a pattern.

That he indeed did claim to be born in Africa and used that premise to fraudulently get ahead.

Listening to Hannity using the tape of his book, in his own words, to VET Obama.

Hannity using his own words, Brietbart using documentation of his faux ID....

Freepers doing their part to support them both and spread the word.

Got dad the “AMATEUR” book yesterday. He stayed up all night reading it and started it for the second time this evening......I'll get a turn soon.

29 posted on 05/18/2012 6:40:36 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: radioone

Simple spelling error - Kenya is so very close to Hawaii - heck, they even almost sound the same. And it’s not like someone would notice the fine print on a man’s nationality. It’s an honest mistake by the lit. agent. Can’t we move on?


30 posted on 05/18/2012 6:44:28 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Travis McGee
Eventually, the dam breaks.

Erosion journalism - a steady trickle eventually wears away all obstacles.

31 posted on 05/18/2012 7:15:30 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: AD from SpringBay

Well, according to Obama, Hawaii is in Asia... so I could see how he could be confused.


32 posted on 05/18/2012 7:15:30 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Travis McGee; ntnychik; dixiechick2000; onyx; LucyT; Fred Nerks

33 posted on 05/18/2012 7:23:18 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: Travis McGee

ping


34 posted on 05/18/2012 7:36:20 PM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: Travis McGee

Got them. Thanks.


35 posted on 05/18/2012 8:32:05 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: PhilDragoo
Good caption for his agency profiles:

"I wasn't born in Kenya, honest. But I pretended to be, to get into Columbia and Harvard."


36 posted on 05/18/2012 8:58:39 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: radioone

Steyn bump


37 posted on 05/18/2012 11:15:01 PM PDT by Dajjal ("I'm not concerned about the very poor." -- severely conservative Mitt 'Etch-A-Sketch' Rmoney)
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To: Drew68

Part of the problem is that being born in Kenya further removes Obama from being an “African-American” ... he wasn’t born to African-Americans and didn’t grow up in an African-American household. Being born in Kenya makes him African, but not American, so his only “Journeys” are in black.


38 posted on 05/18/2012 11:26:24 PM PDT by edge919
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To: 9YearLurker

Obama would have run for Senate in 2004 and been seated in 2005. The website wasn’t changed until 2007, two months after announcing his bid for Senate. He also held an Illinois senate seat from 1997 until 2004. Funny how that birth in Kenya wasn’t a problem with his political career until he decided to run for president.


39 posted on 05/18/2012 11:28:49 PM PDT by edge919
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To: Travis McGee
Charles Laughton in Witness for the Prosecution, "Are you lying now, were you lying then, or are you not a chronic and habitual liar!"
40 posted on 05/18/2012 11:40:00 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: edge919

I;m sorry, I meant announced his run for president.


41 posted on 05/19/2012 2:13:47 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: radioone

Sunday AM bump ...


42 posted on 05/19/2012 4:23:45 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: radioone

Soviet historians could confidently predict the ineclutable future, but could never explain the ever changing past.


43 posted on 05/19/2012 5:00:23 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: Drew68

Ok then, if after all this you now conclude that he was in fact born in Hawaii and later claimed his Kenyan birth to gain educational funding as a foreign student or some ivy league admission advantage, why would he later spend such a massive amount of money to prevent the release of his genuine long form Hawaiian birth certificate? AND then when forced, disclosed such a poorly forged document? My hunch is this..... He was first truthful about his birth place in Kenya and then years later, in order to appear eligible as a candidate for president, created a lie about being born Hawaii. But I could be wrong.... It is only a hunch.


44 posted on 05/19/2012 5:17:04 AM PDT by Save-the-Union
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To: Save-the-Union

Occam’s Razor: In my opinion you’re asking the relevant questions and pointing out the most likely “explanation”. So one would think that Mark Steyn’s Occan Razor approach would go with what you’re suggesting.

But, basically, what just about everyone (including “mainstream” conservatives [e.g., Mark Steyn] who want not to stray beyond the outer limits of the politically correct reservation) WANTS TO BELIEVE is that Obama (in the present) tells the truth about “things”. Any discrepancy with things he said in the past MUST BE that he was LYING PREVIOUSLY. There can be no other accepted explanation.

Oh my, the madness of crowds.


45 posted on 05/19/2012 6:23:48 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: JLS

Thanks for the ping - Steyn is once again spot-on and hilarious. I know the LOL thing is overused, but I actually did that while reading the article.


46 posted on 05/19/2012 7:47:27 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: House Atreides

“”””””(including “mainstream” conservatives [e.g., Mark Steyn] who want not to stray beyond the outer limits of the politically correct reservation)...... Any discrepancy with things he said in the past MUST BE that he was LYING PREVIOUSLY. There can be no other accepted explanation.”””””

Interesting..... You seem to process this like a psychological profile to explain a flaw of in Mark Steyn’s Occan Razor logic. Maybe you are right.
BUT, I look at it as my humble contribution to a body of ideas. My input is what I see as most likely closer to the truth.
Maybe I am wrong but I am happy to speculate.

You see, because the obummer is such a liar, those of us conservatives who seek and understand original intent, are forced to speculate. But this makes me happy because I know by posting on this forum, we peel back the layers and slowly reveal the truth. It must be driving them crazy.....


47 posted on 05/19/2012 7:48:35 AM PDT by Save-the-Union
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To: InterceptPoint
Even Steyn is a sellout on this issue. Sad to say. The possibility that Obama was actually telling the truth about his birthplace way back then isn’t even a consideration.

I still enjoy Steyn on a lot of topics but I've thought less favorably of him ever since he went on a tear on a caller who brought up the eligibility issue when Mark was subbing for Rush. His arguments were absurd and revealed almost willful ignorance.

48 posted on 05/19/2012 8:03:09 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Drew68

I just firmly believe the notion that his teenage mother took a very expensive and arduous journey by herself to a third-world country specifically to have a baby is ridiculous.

You forget, the people are nuts.


49 posted on 05/19/2012 9:41:42 AM PDT by Josephat (`)
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To: radioone
Dear Mr. Steyn,

I am completely and thoroughly **P***** that you and other so-called “conservatives” so casually dismissed the Article 2 defenders claiming is was a “technicality”. Yes, I happened to be listening the very day that you called Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution a “technicality”.

SHAME on you for taking this long to pay attention.

Sincerely,

Wintertime

50 posted on 05/19/2012 12:11:34 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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