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If You Live In California Things Just Got A Whole Lot Worse
The Economic Collapse Blog ^ | 05/18/2012 | Michael Snyder

Posted on 05/20/2012 7:02:44 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Why does the state of California seem to be so incredibly hopeless? These days California can't seem to do anything right, and if you live in California things just got a whole lot worse. Governor Brown has announced that the state budget deficit for this year is going to be much larger than projected, that more government services are going to be cut and that voters are going to vote on another round of tax increases in November. Meanwhile, unemployment is sitting at 11 percent and extended federal unemployment benefits for workers in the state are ending. Because California is one of the worst places in the nation to conduct business, there has been a steady flow of companies leaving the state. Those companies have taken a whole lot of good jobs with them. Due to the lack of jobs and a steady stream of impoverished immigrants coming in from Mexico and other countries, poverty in the state has exploded and crime is rapidly increasing. California may be the land of "endless sunshine", but for the California economy there are only dark clouds on the horizon. The state is coming apart at the seams and there is not much hope that things are going to turn around any time soon.

These days, California is very similar to Greece in many ways.

Just like Greece, California has had round after round of "austerity" and yet still cannot seem to balance the budget.

Even after all of the cuts that have been implemented in recent years, the California budget deficit is still going to be far larger than originally projected this year. The following is from the Los Angeles Times....

Gov. Jerry Brown announced on Saturday that the state's deficit has ballooned to $16 billion, a huge increase over his $9.2-billion estimate in January.

The bigger deficit is a significant setback for California, which has struggled to turn the page on a devastating budget crisis. Brown, who announced the deficit on YouTube, is expected to outline his full budget proposal on Monday in Sacramento.

"This means we will have to go much further, and make cuts far greater, than I asked for at the beginning of the year," Brown said in the video.

During his remarks on YouTube, Governor Brown stated that California is "still recovering from the worst recession since the 1930s" and he stressed that hard choices are ahead.

But the California state government has already cut back in so many places. For example, back in the late 1970s the state of California was number one in per-pupil spending on education, but now California has fallen to 48th place.

Unfortunately, Governor Brown does not believe that budget cuts alone will solve the problem.

So you know what that means.

Tax increases!

The tax increases that California voters will be voting on in November were outlined in a recent Bloomberg article....

Brown this week submitted more than 1.5 million signatures to place the tax measure on the ballot. It would temporarily raise the state sales tax, already the highest in the U.S., to 7.5 percent from 7.25 percent. It would also boost rates on income starting at $250,000. The 10.3 percent levy on those making $1 million or more would rise to 13.3 percent, the most of any state.

Get ready to fire up the moving vans.

The rest of the California economy may be falling apart, but moving companies will continue to do very well.

As I have written about previously, California has already experienced a net loss of approximately four million residents to other states over the past 20 years.

If the top rate on those making a million dollars or more a year hits 13.3 percent you will see a lot more wealthy people leave.

And thousands of businesses have left California in recent years as well. Sadly, one survey found that CEOs ranked California as the worst place in the United States to do business for seven years in a row.

You would think that the state legislature would get the message.

Unfortunately they have not.

California absolutely suffocates businesses with rules and regulations and it gets worse with each passing year.

So lots of good jobs continue to leave the state.

As mentioned earlier, the official rate of unemployment in California is sitting at 11 percent. That is almost 3 points higher than for the nation as a whole.

Of course the "official" numbers greatly understate the true scope of the unemployment problem, but for more on that you can check out this article.

However you want to look at it, the reality is that California has a massive unemployment problem.

Sadly, a whole bunch of unemployed workers in California are about to lose their unemployment benefits.

On Saturday, more than 200,000 unemployed Americans were dumped off the unemployment rolls. Close to half of them live in California.

Instead of 99 weeks, unemployed workers in California will now only be able to collect unemployment benefits for a maximum of 79 weeks.

It is estimated that a total of 93,000 people in California have suddenly lost their benefits as a result of this change.

Unfortunately, the truth is that the employment picture in California is not really getting any better. It is still incredibly difficult to find a decent job.

Unless you are "connected", it can be a horribly frustrating experience trying to find a new job in this economic environment.

But if you are truly desperate, there are some folks out there who are always hiring.

These days, "national security" is quite a growth industry. For example, if you are currently unemployed you can always apply to work as an Internment/Resettlement Specialist for the national guard.

While the economy is going to pot, you can get paid to lock up other Americans that are protesting about the state of our country.

Doesn't that sound fun?

But seriously, if you live in California right now you probably don't need anyone else to tell you how bad things are.

You probably already know that the number of children living in poverty in the state of California has increased by 30 percent since 2007.

California is rapidly changing, and not for the better.

But it is not just the economy that is falling apart in California. The truth is that there are a whole host of good reasons to move away from California. The traffic is nightmarish, crime is on the rise, the gangs are bigger and more active than ever before, millions of illegal immigrants have poured into the state, and the control freak politicians become more insane with each passing year.

Plus there is the constant threat that your home will be destroyed by a mudslide, a wildfire or an earthquake.

One of these days the "big one" will hit California.

You do not want to be there when that happens.

But if you decide that you do want to move from California, what is the best state to move to?

That is a very good question.

The truth is that economic conditions are horrible in most of the country and are rapidly getting a whole lot worse.

According to one poll, 30 percent of all Americans described the condition of the economy as "good" back in February but only 20 percent do now.

When we enter the next major economic downturn, unemployment is going to go higher everywhere in the nation.

There will be small pockets where jobs are still plentiful (where the oil industry is strong for example) but almost everywhere else will be really hurting.

So what do all of you think?

For people looking to move away from California, where should they go?

Please feel free to post a comment with your thoughts below....



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: california; debt; deficit; governormoonbeam; jerrybrown; taxes

1 posted on 05/20/2012 7:02:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

They should move to Mexico.


2 posted on 05/20/2012 7:06:49 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind; SpinnerWebb

3 posted on 05/20/2012 7:07:17 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Why? It is because the state is riddled with illegals, leeching citizens and unbridled liberals who think there is a magic pot of money - somewhere - from which all the kook-ass ideas they spew will be funded. They have no idea of honest hard work, responsibility, or finance. They only know "I want mine" and the "rich guy's" money.
4 posted on 05/20/2012 7:07:31 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind

Californians are swirling the toilet bowl while their leaders are still reaching for the flush handle.


5 posted on 05/20/2012 7:13:33 AM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: SeekAndFind

All this plus our own version of Cap and Trade about to kick in.


6 posted on 05/20/2012 7:16:00 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought Facebook was gonna save them.

Gee, I guess that’s not gonna work for em.


7 posted on 05/20/2012 7:17:34 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: SeekAndFind
But the California state government has already cut back in so many places. For example, back in the late 1970s the state of California was number one in per-pupil spending on education, but now California has fallen to 48th place.

What is missing from this quote is context. What was the per-pupil spending at the start of the comparison period? What is it now? I'm willing to bet that over a thirty-year period, per pupil spending didn't decline.

Liberals love to define a slowing in the rate of increase of spending as 'cuts'. The problem with real austerity -- in Greece, California or elsewhere -- is that it is never actually tried. I'll never be convinced that governments who simply slow their rate of spending growth are being austere, or anything like it.

8 posted on 05/20/2012 7:19:39 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Obama vs. Romney: Zero x Zero = Zero.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

To them, a geometric increase in the rate of spending is a “cut,” when they were expecting exponential increases every year. To say nothing of linear increases, or even just plain constant increases. To say even less about actual reductions, as you point out.


9 posted on 05/20/2012 7:23:27 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: SeekAndFind

With some simple “search and replace” for the state’s name, Governor’s name, etc, the same holds true of ILL-ANNOY - but the conditions, proportionately, are FAR WORSE. Californnia may be Greece, but ILL-ANNOY is like the worst banana republic you could imagine. If you gave the midwest an enema, the nozzle would be inserted in Springfield.


10 posted on 05/20/2012 7:31:12 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: SeekAndFind

Having attracted and then culturally inbred some rather malignant forms of hedonism and narcissism over the past century, Californians have always been the ones to set the liberal trends for the rest of the country. They will now be the first to reap the rewards.


11 posted on 05/20/2012 7:33:00 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: SeekAndFind
and if you live in California things just got a whole lot worse.

Say what?....nah

12 posted on 05/20/2012 7:33:45 AM PDT by sternup
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t live in Cali but do some business there. What I see is that the State is simply forcing much of the business underground. I see many small operators, truckers, processors, etc... who are very entrepreneurial but I doubt they pay any taxes at all. Most are immigrants anyway so they are used to doing things this way. As such they are the only ones who can survive / thrive there.

Hence California is increasingly looking like a hybrid of Mexico and Asian 3rd world.


13 posted on 05/20/2012 7:44:26 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: SeekAndFind

“Welcome to the Hotel California”


14 posted on 05/20/2012 7:48:53 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SeekAndFind

Insanity bump


15 posted on 05/20/2012 8:03:14 AM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: SeekAndFind

sometimes, people do get what they deserve,


16 posted on 05/20/2012 8:12:15 AM PDT by tm61 (somewhere in chicago, a ward is missing it's crook)
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To: SeekAndFind

DW and I left California for good less than a month ago.

We sold our house on the SF Peninsula for a goodly sum, even though it was less than we would have gotten a few years ago, and moved to Oregon.

Funny thing is that DW worked in the State University system and CA pays her a pension...

We could have easily stayed and the taxes we would have paid would have more than covered her pension, but the bad choices the government made drove us out.

We own rental real estate and in CA it is less costly to pay a bad tenant to move out than to evict, and in most cases the tenant gets representation from La Raza or Legal Aid paid with my tax dollars. In OR, a simple small claims action can have them gone in a month.

I have had to deal with a few surly tenants in my life, and a CCW would be good insurance. In CA — impossible. In OR, it is shall issue. BTW, changing this law would cost CA absolutely nothing.

The list goes on and on, of how CA makes my life difficult, even though I am a taxpayer. At the same time life gets easier and easier for those on state or federal assistance and the attitude is that they are entitled to some of my money, both through public assistance and through free rent whenever they decide to stop paying.

Well, we voted with our feet, and CA has a fair amount less money because of it.


17 posted on 05/20/2012 8:20:50 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: SeekAndFind
California has had round after round of "austerity"

NONE of which involve cutting a dime of entitlements to illegals.

I hear Costa Rica is a nice place ....

18 posted on 05/20/2012 8:25:47 AM PDT by Lizavetta (You get what you tolerate)
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To: SeekAndFind
Fled California last year for sunny Florida and as I drove out of the state, I couldn't help but notice that every interstate rest stop was roadblocked off, closed for lack of funding.

Shame, too. Coronado, CA was the most beautiful place I've ever lived.

19 posted on 05/20/2012 8:37:11 AM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Democrats, Unions, and illegals have ruined California. And that is over half of the population and all vote. State retiries have destroyed any chance of recovering. Business have left the State and the only thing holding this State up is silicon valley.
20 posted on 05/20/2012 8:53:54 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: PGR88
What I see is that the State is simply forcing much of the business underground.

I agree with you. I see it on a daily basis here , in what is left of the construction business in California. It is just a shell of people holding on with their fingertips and trying to crawl forward. By any means necessary.

21 posted on 05/20/2012 8:55:28 AM PDT by builder (I don't want a piece of someone else's pie)
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To: SeekAndFind; SmithL; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; GOPsterinMA; randita; Sun; ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKKdrpKzKWM


22 posted on 05/20/2012 9:25:51 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama and Company lied, the American economy died)
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To: SeekAndFind

California needs to ask the other 56 states to help.....a penny sales tax for a year on all Facebook postings should do the trick..../ S


23 posted on 05/20/2012 9:50:23 AM PDT by Popman (America is squandering its wealth on riotous living, war, and welfare.)
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To: sternup
I wonder if she ever lived in Tennessee?
http://www.thecrimsoncrow.com/2012/05/33-year-old-man-has-30-kids-and-11-baby-mamas-you-do-the-math/
24 posted on 05/20/2012 10:06:51 AM PDT by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: Polynikes
No, the saying is “If you feed them they will breed them.”
25 posted on 05/20/2012 11:32:56 AM PDT by pterional
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To: SeekAndFind

Screw California, let them stew in the mess they made of their state, NO BAILOUTS!! It can’t get any worse for me personally. My former rock-ribbed conservative brother-in-law has now told me he’s a socialist!! I’m in shock, this is no joke! He lives in Penn. and recently got a job with the PA Dept. of Transportation. Figures. Government job, government mind-set. Christ Almighty!


26 posted on 05/20/2012 11:36:40 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Huskrrrr
All this plus our own version of Cap and Trade about to kick in.

Which will kill off any remaining jobs in the pockets the author speaks of. The oil industry is calculating, conservatively, that buying carbon credits will cost $10 - $12 a barrel.

State utilities are in a mad dash, buying up politicians, for Cap & Trade exemptions.

27 posted on 05/20/2012 11:57:50 AM PDT by twistedwrench
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To: SeekAndFind

Someday California will be used as an example of what happens when liberals are allowed to run the whole show themselves.It is gone and this latest tax hikes just about ought to do in what decent jobs outside of government are left.I know hubby’s corp owns several factories in California and recently built a new facility in Colorado with the rumor begin that the ones in California will be closed and manufacturing moved to the new factory.


28 posted on 05/20/2012 1:53:25 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: SeekAndFind

29 posted on 05/20/2012 3:33:04 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh, and I love the irrelevant stat 48th in per pupil spending. California schools have been flooded with the anchor babies of illegals.

51% of ALL California school children are hispanic. 45% of all Californians don’t speak English at home, or 17 million people. This compares to 15% for the other 49 states.

Even so, we spend half of every dollar in the general fund on education. If we hadn’t been flooded with the kids of illegal aliens, CA schools would be rolling in dough.


30 posted on 05/20/2012 3:45:32 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: SeekAndFind

I wonder how long it will take President Whoever He Might Be to endorse a so-called “federal bail-out” for California.


31 posted on 05/20/2012 7:42:22 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: SeekAndFind

Hmmmm....now why could California be in a bind...hmmm...

A partial list of California state agencies:

California Academic Performance Index (API) * California Access for Infants and Mothers * California Acupuncture Board * California Administrative Office of the Courts * California Adoptions Branch * California African American Museum * California Agricultural Export Program * California Agricultural Labor Relations Board * California Agricultural Statistics Service * California Air Resources Board (CARB) * California Allocation Board * California Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority * California Animal Health and Food Safety Services * California Anti-Terrorism Information Center * California Apprenticeship Council * California Arbitration Certification Program * California Architects Board * California Area VI Developmental Disabilities Board * California Arts Council * California Asian Pacific Islander Legislative Caucus * California Assembly Democratic Caucus * California Assembly Republican Caucus * California Athletic Commission * California Attorney General * California Bay Conservation and Development Commission * California Bay-Delta Authority * California Bay-Delta Office * California Biodiversity Council * California Board for Geologists and Geophysicists * California Board for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors * California Board of Accountancy * California Board of Barbering and Cosmetology * California Board of Behavioral Sciences * California Board of Chiropractic Examiners * California Board of Equalization (BOE) * California Board of Forestry and Fire Protection * California Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind * California Board of Occupational Therapy * California Board of Optometry * California Board of Pharmacy * California Board of Podiatric Medicine * California Board of Prison Terms * California Board of Psychology * California Board of Registered Nursing * California Board of Trustees * California Board of Vocational Nursing and Psychiatric Technicians * California Braille and Talking Book Library * California Building Standards Commission * California Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education * California Bureau of Automotive Repair * California Bureau of Electronic and Appliance Repair * California Bureau of Home Furnishings and Thermal Insulation * California Bureau of Naturopathic Medicine * California Bureau of Security and Investigative Services * California Bureau of State Audits * California Business Agency * California Business Investment Services (CalBIS) * California Business Permit Information (CalGOLD) * California Business Portal * California Business, Transportation and Housing Agency * California Cal Grants * California CalJOBS * California Cal-Learn Program * California CalVet Home Loan Program * California Career Resource Network * California Cemetery and Funeral Bureau * California Center for Analytical Chemistry * California Center for Distributed Learning * California Center for Teaching Careers (Teach California) * California Chancellors 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32 posted on 05/20/2012 7:47:07 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Romney Republicanism: Leave your principles by the door. You won't be needing them any more.)
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To: twistedwrench

State utilities are in a mad dash, buying up politicians, for Cap & Trade exemptions.

Insanity!


33 posted on 05/20/2012 9:13:02 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Colonel_Flagg

“California was number one in per-pupil spending on education, but now California has fallen to 48th place”

I seriously doubt this. I wonder if other states play the same game that CA does by reporting only the current-year tax funding spent on schools as per=pupil spending. CA does not include the money spent from bond issues ! In 2010, the LAUSD reported they spent only $10K per student when they actually spent $30K per student — the other $20K per pupil was from school district bonds and “didn’t count” because it didn’t come from “Taxes”. Of course, this means that this money must be paid back from general taxes and will NEVER be counted as school spending.


34 posted on 05/21/2012 1:40:10 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“It would temporarily raise the state sales tax, already the highest in the U.S., to 7.5 percent from 7.25 percent. It would also boost rates on income starting at $250,000. The 10.3 percent levy on those making $1 million or more would rise to 13.3 percent, the most of any state.”

This is insane. You can figure just how much tax rates would actually NEED to be if they applied to a broader base by simply looking at the income stats for CA. The total personal income for CA is $1.7T for 2011. Suppose we eliminated all taxes except personal income tax and sales tax — and applied it to all income and all retail purchases. No more gas tax, tobacco tax, liquor tax, etc. CA would need $100B in revenue from these two taxes to balance its budget even without any cuts anywhere. A 3% flat personal income tax would collect $45B assuming some evasion. And how good for business would it be to have NO Corporate Income tax, but only a 3% Personal Income Tax ? If the sales tax were 4% and applied to all goods and services, it would collect $60B assuming people saved 10% of their income rather than spending every dime. Total revenue $105B and NOBODY pays punishing tax rates, nobody pays a CA gas tax, or sin taxes. If the Counties and cities keep their same sales tax rates, but follow the state’s lead and apply it to all goods and services instead of just retail finished goods as currently done, the County tax revenues would almost double.

Instead, Jerry wants to raise the State sales tax rate to 7.5% while still applying it to only 30% of purchases. Jerry also wants higher income tax rates on modestly successful people, while continuing a zero tax rate on less successful people. He could not design a plan more likely to attract losers and drive away winners if he tried.

Creating a pro-growth tax system replacement for CA is simple. The much harder problems are the over-regulation (every regulation on the books was some pol’s baby) and the public employee unions.

The unions can be dissolved by attrition and outsourcing to non-union private contractors. If you cannot get rid of union thugs, then you can at least reduce their workload so they never need a single additional employee. 7% of them retire every year, so you should be able to clear them all out in 15 years. Private security instead of police. Private prisons with no union correctional officers. Vouchers for private schools rather than public schools.

I’d bet private companies would house prisoners for $25K/yr instead of the $50K the state is spending.

I’d bet new private schools would spring up eager to teach our kids for $5K/yr (that is still $125K per 25 pupil classroom) instead of the $10K the state claims they spend much less the $30K they actually spend when including the school bond revenues.

The cost of the public pensions can be addressed, as well as discouraging new public employees, by placing a 90% surtax on public employee retirement benefits disbursements that exceed 3x the Federal minimum wage (that would mean 90% tax rate on benefits over $45K/yr). This sidesteps the contractual requirements of the pension amounts being paid. The pensions will still be paid, but subject to a special income tax rate on this class of income, just as municipal bonds are a special class of income with a 0% tax rate.


35 posted on 05/21/2012 2:22:08 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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To: blueunicorn6

RE: “Welcome to the Hotel California”

Conservatives try to stab the libs with their steely knives but they just can’t kill the beast. :)


36 posted on 05/21/2012 5:05:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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