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1 posted on 05/31/2012 8:57:22 AM PDT by MichCapCon
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Can’t make up their minds. They want their kids to be doing things that Republicans absolutely adore? Why, if they’re Democrats?


2 posted on 05/31/2012 9:03:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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I believe they prefer to be called "Educators", and a greater mass of unprofessional whiners you will never meet. Nothing is good enough, nothing pays them enough and no retirement is 'satisfactory'.

The fact that any Homeschooler does, without years of specialized training (in such difficult subjects as decorating a bulletin board), without administration, without retirement or medical benefits - a BETTER job at teaching pupils than they do, does nothing but make them sputter and become enraged. Practically anyone can be a teacher - it's perhaps the easiest degree one can earn (with the possible exceptions for Art).

3 posted on 05/31/2012 9:04:16 AM PDT by Hodar (Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see.- A. Schopenhauer)
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My father, mother, sister, wife and I all have advanced college degrees. In total, the five of us have approximately 36 years of college.

Shocker.

In the real world people point to their merits and accomplishments. They don't proudly brag about the number of years they've spent at college.

4 posted on 05/31/2012 9:05:25 AM PDT by agere_contra
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I ran into my kids’ retired Kindergarten teacher the other day (NY State). I believe she was a teacher for nearly 40 years. She had new BMW 535i - very nice.


5 posted on 05/31/2012 9:06:10 AM PDT by PGR88
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And don;t forget that 70k is for 185 days of work. 9 and 1/2 months of work and all they can do is bitch and moan and complain.


9 posted on 05/31/2012 9:09:00 AM PDT by Nifster
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I know a rural town with a population of 600. It has an elementary school. Principal makes over $60,000/yr and his teacher-wife makes over $40,000/yr. Most public schools have to publish salary and other expenditure details. Not enough people pay attention.


11 posted on 05/31/2012 9:09:52 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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"For the first time in my service to our future leaders,..."

This is an odd statement, straight from the socialist handbook.

12 posted on 05/31/2012 9:10:12 AM PDT by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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Teachers used to be paid far less, schools had far less money and yet students were far better educated. Now money is poured into schools from every direction- yet there never seems to be any money available and students are mostly poorly educated. All that money is going somewhere!!

Teaching should be a very respected profession and at one time it was. There are still great teachers out there, and their complaint is they are not allowed to teach. Many teachers are simply shilling for the liberals, trying to brain wash students instead of teaching.

I don’t know the answer, but likely the only real solution is to gut education and start over. We sure cannot allow those in charge now to be in charge of any reform though so they must go.


13 posted on 05/31/2012 9:12:46 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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Must be nice to have a career for 25 years and be able to retire with that type of pension. I know, I have 2 teachers in my family. I keep my mouth shut, but I don’t think they should complain about anything. What a racket!

Take that 25 years and deduct all of the days they have off and it may account for actually 17 years of service. This is a guess, but I’m sure it’s close. Imagine getting a huge pension at such a young age and never having to work again in your life? Pathetic!


14 posted on 05/31/2012 9:13:12 AM PDT by jcsjcm (This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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If the teaching couple retired with 25 years of experience, their combined pensions would be about $52,000 a year. The Michigan Public School Employees Retirement System will provide health care coverage into retirement as early as age 46 if they qualify.

Plus, their pension is worth over a million dollars at age 50 at that rate.

So, they amassed a million dollars in 25 years on the side, thanks to the tax payers. This puts their working compensation package to well over 200K.

15 posted on 05/31/2012 9:13:40 AM PDT by cicero2k
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What is there about teaching that would require a master’s degree?


16 posted on 05/31/2012 9:16:14 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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My children will use their college degrees for a profession that is not the target of scorn of the Republican Party.

Oh, I see. It's a political advertisement, not a news story. :)

17 posted on 05/31/2012 9:19:42 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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Keeping liberals out of the schools? GOOD!


19 posted on 05/31/2012 9:23:47 AM PDT by Kirkwood (It's not a lie. It's a composite.)
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Gee with my pension from the Navy....

and one of their pensions,

They still make more than I do.

I really can believe that such educated people (in theory) are still blaming just the republicans.

For the love, talk about overeducated stupid people.....

21 posted on 05/31/2012 9:26:00 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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The kid behind the McDonalds counter also serves the “Future Leaders”, but they don't brainwash them.
23 posted on 05/31/2012 9:27:51 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Confucius say, short note better than long memory....)
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IF: education degree
THEN: no education

Get rid of the degree, and the unions that support it.

There is plenty of talent in both the STEM subjects and in the lib arts that would love to educate (in the true sense of the word) our children. One can cover the psychology of “education” with a couple of 10th grade courses. The rest of education is for folks who actually have something to teach.


24 posted on 05/31/2012 9:28:06 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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“Would you encourage your son or daughter to devote an advanced college degree to this profession?”

An advanced degree in education? For pity’s sake *why*? An MS or PhD in education makes as much sense as issuing MS and PhD degrees in welding or plumbing.

That is not a knock on welding or plumbing — or even education. All three are examples of skilled trades where once the basics have been mastered, experience is the best teacher, not classroom work.

The Armed Forces turn out teachers (they call them instructors) with three months training. Why would anyone need more than three months to learn the techniques of teaching. (Yes, it can take 3-3/4 years to master a subject to be taught, such as science — but teaching techniques ain’t rocket science.)


25 posted on 05/31/2012 9:33:32 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (Ten years on FreeRepublic and counting.)
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My Wife just got laid off. Our Health Insurance Premium was $400 a month. Now under COBRA, we pay $1300 a month.

Not whining, it’s just the way it is in Obamaville. Maybe I should write an article and blame the Republicans. /s


26 posted on 05/31/2012 9:34:02 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Confucius say, short note better than long memory....)
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they don't work but 1/2 the year....what the hell is wrong with people......

an education degree is NOT a medical degree....and sadly, most times EDUCATION is their major, not math, not chemistry or biology or physics.....

33 posted on 05/31/2012 10:12:58 AM PDT by cherry
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Gulp...I know I’ll get some flak for this, but gotta say a few things about teachers:
1. They work for about 10 months in most states, and have MANDATORY summer workshops they must attend, and their salaries are usually paid over an annual basis. Their classrooms are expected to be cleaned out at end of year (after kids go home) and then ready at beginning of year (for all those Open House events), so they put in their time making that happen. I know, cuz I’ve helped my sister and my niece who are both teachers in Louisiana, and way back eons ago I taught in Mississippi.
2. Like any profession, there are good ones and then those who work the system, leach off the taxpayer, and give education a really bad name/smell.
3. Gotta point at the administration (at all levels in any school system) and say they are overpaid, overstaffed, not ideal for their roles. Very few have good “field” experience that makes them credible and a role model for the teachers they supervise. Sadly, a lot of em have their noses so far up the next upper level supervisor’s rectum that they sneeze brown when then upper level flatuates. Most of em need to be back in the classroom on a mandatory 1 day/week so they can practice what they preach. Usually their practices are so stupid that even new kindergarten students roll their eyes.

Yeah, I know they’re still stupid for being Democrats, and for supporting their unions (I got a lot of gripe about that) but God Bless the good ones who stick it out anyway and try to teach our kids. Not all of em are bad...but our overall American education system sucks when compared to other industrialized countries fer sure. I don’t know what the solution is, cuz it’s all like an onion: the more you cut it, the more you cry.


34 posted on 05/31/2012 10:14:02 AM PDT by sassy steel magnolia (USAF life and Navy wife...God Bless the USA!)
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