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Teacher Union Poverty Claims Fail Fact Test
Michigan Capitol Confidential ^ | 6/2/2012 | Tom Gantert

Posted on 06/06/2012 7:35:40 AM PDT by MichCapCon

In late March, Mackinac Center for Public Policy Director of Education Policy Michael Van Beek thought the Michigan Education Association had new “talking points.”

At the time, MEA Spokesman Doug Pratt and President Steve Cook took to newspapers to talk about a teacher in his second year with a master’s degree making $31,000 per year.

Since then, the MEA, some teachers and some in the media have joined forces to promote a message of the plight of the financially-strapped teacher.

A teacher’s salary depends on experience and the location of the school district. Compensation can vary at the high end, but the state average for a teacher was $61,560 in 2010-11, according to the state of Michigan.

Teachers in the bigger school districts can make six figures. In 2010-11, 58 teachers in the Troy Public School district made $100,000 or more. A teacher in the Ann Arbor School District made $117,021 in 2010-11.

Starting salaries begin in the mid-$30,000 range, but don’t stay there long.

Yet, some teachers and union officials have made repeated references in the media to teacher’s inability to make a living or to live on food stamps.

In May, Adrian Public Schools’ teacher Sally Oliver was quoted as saying, “Why would a person choose to become a teacher and then remain a teacher when doing so means giving up any chance of making a decent living and supporting a family?”

The average salary of a teacher in the Adrian Public School was $62,838 in 2010-11, according to the state of Michigan. A starting salary for a teacher with a bachelor’s degree is $35,055, according to the union contract.

In late May, Gary Scott, president of Student MEA, a pre-professional organization for people preparing for the teaching profession, was quoted on the MEA’s website as saying, “Who would want to join the teaching profession when their future security has been stolen and robbed? We’re not entering the profession to be rich, but we don’t expect to survive on food stamps either.”

The lowest paid teacher in the state appeared to be a first-year teacher in the Tecumseh School District, according to Mackinac Center research. The district made an agreement with the union to hire first-year teachers at a 10 percent reduction. The starting salary was $33,665 for a starting teacher. That first-year teacher would have made $30,299 for two years after the 10 percent reduction, according to information provided by the district. Those teachers have since had their salaries reinstated to the proper step. But a Tecumseh teacher with a master’s degree would double their starting salary within 11 years by making $60,462.

But even $30,000 a year would be a stretch to live in poverty for someone just starting out in teaching.

That first-year Tecumseh teacher making $30,299 would be at poverty level only in a six-person household, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’ poverty guidelines.

Craig Beach, a Rockford Public School teacher, wrote a column for MLive in which he talked about a colleague’s young daughter’s distain for the teaching profession. A teacher with Beach’s 23-years of experience and a master’s degree would make $70,189, according to the union contract.

Beach quoted that young woman as complaining about the teacher’s “extremely low pay” in which she said, “I want to eat and have a life.”

Yet Van Beek said he wonders why some teachers think there will be a shortage of teachers due to compensation.

“There are plenty of reasons that contribute to people choosing to be teachers that are unrelated to their level of compensation: desire to make a difference, enjoyment of working with kids, summer vacations, long holiday breaks, etc.,” Van Beek said. “Why is it that suddenly all these teachers who ‘didn’t go into the profession to get rich’ worry that no one will go into the profession any longer?”

The MEA’s Pratt didn’t respond to a requeat a seeking comment.


TOPICS: Education
KEYWORDS: unions

1 posted on 06/06/2012 7:35:51 AM PDT by MichCapCon
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To: MichCapCon

Maybe I am just a simpleton, but why in the world would you need even a bachelors degree to teach third grade math? Or science, english, etc.

Why would you need a masters degree to teach kindergarten?

Why do you need any degree to teach gym at any grade level?


2 posted on 06/06/2012 7:59:53 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: Springman; Sioux-san; 70th Division; JPG; PGalt; DuncanWaring
My heart is breaking.

If anyone wants to be added to the Michigan Cap Con ping list, let me know.
3 posted on 06/06/2012 8:01:58 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: joe fonebone

I dated a girl who was going to school to become a kindergarten teacher. Why the hell she needed political science credits was beyond me.


4 posted on 06/06/2012 8:06:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: MichCapCon

I’m seriously looking into changing careers to be a teacher.

Even with a 40% pay cut I’d still make as much as I am now when you consider the time off...


5 posted on 06/06/2012 8:11:11 AM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: MichCapCon

It appears that the math ability of our “teachers” leaves something to be desired.

Of course, it fits with rule #2 for Liberals: Math is not their friend.

And I’ll betcha that there are still far, far more folks applying for those positions than there are spaces. So, NEA dorks, just quit. There are (probably much better) applicants waiting.


6 posted on 06/06/2012 8:18:06 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: joe fonebone

The master’s degree is a pay gimmick. Here in Kentucky, a master’s puts a teacher into a higher pay band and then getting additonal hours beyond a master’s (30 I think?) puts one into an even higher band.

Teachers pay the univerisities for the degree programs to get into the higher pay bands. Upon completion, they have basically paid to get into a higher wage scale and perform the same job.

Reminds me of a union operation.


7 posted on 06/06/2012 10:15:22 AM PDT by damper99
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To: joe fonebone

The master’s degree is a pay gimmick. Here in Kentucky, a master’s puts a teacher into a higher pay band and then getting additonal hours beyond a master’s (30 I think?) puts one into an even higher band.

Teachers pay the univerisities for the degree programs to get into the higher pay bands. Upon completion, they have basically paid to get into a higher wage scale and perform the same job.

Reminds me of a union operation.


8 posted on 06/06/2012 10:19:46 AM PDT by damper99
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