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1 posted on 06/13/2012 9:56:11 AM PDT by Chuckmorse
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To: Chuckmorse
We have 200 years of proof of what a quasi Christian Theocracy is like.

We have half a century of proof of what an Atheist Theocracy is like.


I vote for a return to the Christian Nation!

2 posted on 06/13/2012 10:04:14 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Chuckmorse

Kick the government out of schools then people can choose for themselves what they want their children taught.

Throwing everyone into a socialist pot guarantees a fight.


3 posted on 06/13/2012 10:08:16 AM PDT by DManA
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It’s time to get rid of all public schools.


4 posted on 06/13/2012 10:20:23 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Chuckmorse

I’m for closing public schools. Other than that, I dont support God in public school settings, sorry.


5 posted on 06/13/2012 10:24:49 AM PDT by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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” Minister David Barton has accurately observed that in the years following that landmark 1962 decision, social pathologies increased amongst America’s public school students including promiscuity, pregnancy, abortion, depression, suicide and drug abuse.”

These social pathologies are obviously linked to the rise of rock and roll music. Everybody knows that.

“The daily experience of prayer to a Supreme Being offered a moment of thanks and acknowledgement for the many blessings bestowed on our great nation and reminded our children that there was something greater in the universe than mere material satisfactions.”

I attended public schools in Texas from 1955 through 1967. I can’t remember that school prayer had any effect whatsoever. None of us paid attention to it, nobody discussed it, it was just something that we had to sit through each morning. Do you remember it differently?

“The injection of an activist Supreme Court into what was a state issue, from a constitutional standpoint, resulted in an authoritarian expansion of federal power over a fundamental human right. It should be noted that the first amendment starts out by declaring that Congress shall make no law establishing religion. The New York State Regents prayer, which was banned by the Supreme Court, had nothing whatsoever to do with Congress as the law was passed by the New York State Assembly. Therefore, the first amendment was not violated by the New York...”

By this logic, if New York had banned handguns, it would not be a violation of the Second Amendment. Do you think the US Supreme Court’s decision in D.C. v. Heller was a mistake by an activist court?

“That foundational document states that: We are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights, among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. By reciting this line in the Declaration of Independence in the morning before classes begin, and with a brief discussion of why American rights come from the Creator and not from the state, American children would acknowledge God, in the civic sense, and the communist influence would be check-mated.”

I’m afraid these discussions of our rights to “life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness” would lead to questions like where government gets the right to keep us from doing whatever we want Next thing you know, we’d be a nation of libertarians, smoking dope and refusing to pay taxes.

“Indeed, every American president has beseeched God in one way or another. Prehaps the modern American president who has appealed to the creator more than the others in his public utterances would be Franklin Delano Roosevelt.”

Sounds like the hypocrites Jesus warned about. I say we follow His advice and do our praying in private.


7 posted on 06/13/2012 10:53:55 AM PDT by juno67
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I’d be content with just getting the Founding Fathers back in our schools. If they taught our true history, they’d see that Christianity was definitely a part of what made this country great - from the beginning.


8 posted on 06/13/2012 11:08:37 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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Every frontal assault on the Christian God in schools failed until they were able to devise language that looked like one thing but was intended for later. One thing I respect (not admire) about the left is they do things with the intent of fully doing what they want later. For instance...gun laws. They work to pas a law that is actually very very bad for liberty and the gun owner and our right, but what they do is tell you, DO NOT WORRY, your gun is grandfathered. Enjoy!!! Yep, while the right is stolen from your children. Its been the same with this in schools. Engal v. Vital did NOT BAN prayer in school, it did not BAN the bible in school or kids having prayer groups and on and on and on...it is now INVENTED THAT IT DID and this is how they wield it in courts where activist judges join in the fray by INVENTING that it is all out ban. Nothing could be further from the truth. They love to promote Jefferson and his famous line “Separation of church and state” when Jefferson himself appropriated federal funds to BUILD A CATHOLIC CHURCH and even more funds to pay the salary of a priest. How could this be? Well, since we are talking about PUBLIC schools we can start with the fact that they PURPOSEFULLY DO NOT TEACH THE TRUTH on this and several other subjects....and now we see why!

By the way...I love David Barton...he has taught me more than all my public school educators combined when it comes to history and the truth!

9 posted on 06/13/2012 11:12:02 AM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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The Nazi's were not atheists in speeches, in public policy, in party platform, in composition, or among their leadership. They were anti-atheist in their speeches, in public policy, in party platform, in composition, and among their leadership. I guess this is what comes from trusting David Barton as a source.

From the Nazi Party Platform....

24. We demand freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend the moral and ethical sense of the Germanic race.

The party as such represents the point of view of a positive Christianity without binding itself to any one particular confession. It fights against the Jewish materialist spirit within and without, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our folk can only come about from within on the principle:

From Hitler....

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”

“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.”

We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out”.
“For their interests [the Church's] cannot fail to coincide with ours [the National Socialists] alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national life”.

COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD

11 posted on 06/13/2012 11:23:41 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Chuckmorse
As for your hijacked thread:

The solution is in the Declaration of Independence.

Great idea. To explain American revolutionary history, one must talk of God.

17 posted on 06/13/2012 12:44:17 PM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves)
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To: Chuckmorse

I have a problem with God in schools for a different reason. I did not care for, look up to, respect or admire the vast majority of teachers I had. The few I did was because they were good teachers who taught useful and memorable subjects, did not waste our time in any way, and earned our respect as students.

One in particular taught a course in “The Bible as Literature”. It was consummately respectful to his diverse student’s religious, cultural and personal beliefs, yet was on “pins and needles” because it was such a serious subject.

He was very clear about it from the start, and set very firm ground rules for all, that were studiously obeyed.

But the class was irreproducible. And having seen the extraordinary lengths he went to make it happen, I find it hard to imagine it could ever happen again.

Yet it was also abundantly clear what would happen if someone tried and failed. And this is why God should not be in public schools, but for clergy and church, family and in one’s personal life.

Were those other teachers, the ones I did not particularly like, to have even used the word “God” in class, it would have opened the door to their being tarred and feathered by the students. Just as likely for “having taken the Lord’s name in vain” as because they were atheists. In either case.


18 posted on 06/13/2012 1:10:57 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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