Snopes Scrubs Article On Obama's Mama's Picture-Porn: Excluded From Wayback Machine (Marcy Moore/s)

BirtherReport.com ^ | June 16, 2012 | Unattributed

[UCANSEE2]

She’s not eligible until 2015

Obama wasn't eligible either. Didn't stop him.

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Thanks for the response.

The style of furnishings may have changed, but that does not mean people kept up with them. I knew people that until only a few years ago, still had furnishings from the 1970s. I used to know people with furnishings from the 1940s.

That idea of a time window is still relevant. Look at pictures of SAD taken in 1960, and those taken some years later. She doesn't look like the woman in the photograph in either set of pictures. It's possible that somewhere along the way she did look like that woman (though the new pictures Joel Gilbert has uncovered look less like SAD than the old one), but it would only have been for a limited period of time.

You could also see a psychological window of time. That schoolgirl of 1960 and that mother of some years later probably wouldn't have been frolicking in some old man's basement. Perhaps at some point along the way SAD was doing just that, but it would have been for a limited period of time that you have to coordinate with other time details. That's only my opinion, but it's not like other opinions are any more strongly grounded.

Now, you can't get away from the furniture/style question so easily. Sure, you might have had 20 year old furniture, but if you were a fifty year old guy without money or looks who was after young women, you'd have to have something going. You couldn't simply be as dowdy as you wanted to be. So if you were offering a drab 1950s style layout well into the 1960s your prey might not find it very attractive or appealing.

I could be wrong about all this. For all I know the girl is Stanley Dunham and Frank Davis is Obama's father. But I'd also counsel against assuming too much precision or certainty the other way:

The salient facts though are that Gilbert has established beyond a reasonable doubt that the photos were shot at the location of 2994 Kalihi in Honolulu, and that the odds of their being two such girls at the same time are just too long to be credible.

He's found photos that he thinks are from the same source. And he's decided that source is FMD. But that's hard to establish 50 years later. I think the more details that lead him to assume that the photos are by the same photographer make him assume that they are from FMD, without actual proof that they are his.

What does he really have to go on at this point? Blank walls, part of the window frame, a hardwood floor like thousands of other hard-wood floors? Of course those photos could be from the house in Honolulu. They could also be from a hundred or a thousand other houses across the continent.

I keep mentioning the tooth. A person may have a doppelganger, but it is asking too much of coincidence that the doppelganger would have the same crooked tooth in the exact same spot. Coincidence can only be stretched so far, and that is beyond the bounds in my opinion.

Possibly. But I don't see enough detail to tell what's up with the model's mouth. The pictures facing each other on the short video clip -- that's the right side against the left side, so it doesn't quite prove what Joel and Jerome hope it does. But you know, it's only in showbiz that everybody has perfect teeth and irregularities stand out. In the real world, especially of bygone years, irregular teeth were a lot more common.

[DiogenesLamp]

What does he really have to go on at this point? Blank walls, part of the window frame, a hardwood floor like thousands of other hard-wood floors? Of course those photos could be from the house in Honolulu. They could also be from a hundred or a thousand other houses across the continent.

If it was a mass produced printed floor pattern, then yes. If it was the actual wood grain of the plywood, then no, That's impossible. I have actually spent a good deal of time looking at that floor pattern. I have been talking about this floor since at least January 22nd with another freeper. I said back then that if the wood grain of the floor could be matched to the photographs, that is absolute proof that this is the site where the photographs were taken.

Gilberts has apparently accomplished this. Unless it is a mass produced pattern such as a stenciled veneer or some such, it will have a pattern based on how the wood grew, and it is impossible to replicate by nature. It is conclusive proof.

Possibly. But I don't see enough detail to tell what's up with the model's mouth. The pictures facing each other on the short video clip -- that's the right side against the left side, so it doesn't quite prove what Joel and Jerome hope it does. But you know, it's only in showbiz that everybody has perfect teeth and irregularities stand out. In the real world, especially of bygone years, irregular teeth were a lot more common.

More detail of the mouth would certainly be helpful, but it is a known and provable fact that Stanley Ann had particularly crooked teeth in the upper left center of her mouth.

The model appears to share this characteristic. Though it is fuzzy, there is something not quite right in the same area. Couple that with proof that the photos came from the Davis House, and it is simply not plausible to deny that it is Ann Dunham, but I respect the notion that you don't find the proof as compelling as I do.

Even if it is Ann, it doesn't PROVE that Davis is the Father, it just makes it more plausible seeming.

I will further add, later photographs of Ann don't show any indication of her having had a crooked tooth. I can only presume that she wore a retainer (at night time perhaps) or some such and eventually straightened it. For whatever reason, later photographs of her teeth do not show it.

[DiogenesLamp]

I don't believe that our military commanders would obey an order to any nuclear strike without a damned good reason however, and I certainly don't think they would follow an order for such a strike on the US.

I certainly hope not, but so many things have happened that I wouldn't have believed could have happened, that I no longer doubt that really bad things can actually happen.

I would be shocked if an American city was nuked, but I wouldn't be THAT shocked. The Nazis wouldn't have hesitated to do such a thing, and I believe they are his role model.

[DiogenesLamp]

I will not be surprised if Obama orders a nude strike or something.

That's what I said. :|

[DiogenesLamp]

The rules do not matter. Obama wasn't qualified to be on the ballot because of his citizenship, and he had no experience, so what does a little thing like age matter at this point? Nancy Pelosi would be happy to craft up some documents (again) which leave out the age requirement.

I guess it's not obvious yet to the masses.

YOU LOST THE BATTLE. YOUR COUNTRY HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER. THE RULES ARE WHAT WE SAY THEY ARE.

Your only option is to stage a revolt, and frankly, the US has very few allies 'round the world', so you won't be getting any 'partisan' help.

(DiogenesLamp - this is what I believe would be the proper context. Do you agree?)

Looks very nearly right to me. The only caveat is that we don't know for sure that it's this bad, but it is certainly a perspective we need to take seriously. We may still be able to take it back and correct the damage. I hope so anyway.