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Should Arizona secede?
Tenth Amendment Network ^ | 7/9/2012 | Marc Gindin

Posted on 07/09/2012 8:18:24 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentNetwork

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To: Manic_Episode
All 50 Governors need to form an alliance and fire fedzilla.

That'll work too.
21 posted on 07/09/2012 8:32:34 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: napscoordinator
I can’t imagine how all these states think they could seceed when they take so much money from the Federal Government. Very few states would survive on their own.

I think you're confusing AZ with Kalifornia, my FRiend.

AZ makes a lot more than it takes.

22 posted on 07/09/2012 8:32:36 AM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: moonshot925

Who was the Roberts in the 5-3 Texas v. White case?


23 posted on 07/09/2012 8:32:36 AM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: cripplecreek

It technically is landlocked, but I can easily think the Mexicans would give them access on the Colorado River to the Sea of Cortez...


24 posted on 07/09/2012 8:32:53 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: RC2
Arizona cannot secede from the U.S. legally

The actually is one way. The states could call for a Constitutional Convention, then pass an amendment allowing for secession.

Other than that, impossible. As someone once wrote, the Civil War made it "settled law" that states cannot secede from the Union as the Constitution stands now.

And for what it's worth, I'd love to see the states at least talk about calling for a Convention. Maybe that would scare the Fed's into respecting the 10th amendment.

25 posted on 07/09/2012 8:33:40 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: rovenstinez
It technically is landlocked, but I can easily think the Mexicans would give them access on the Colorado River to the Sea of Cortez...

You are aware that Mexico is on Obama's side?
26 posted on 07/09/2012 8:34:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork; napscoordinator

They also have the option of nullification.

As for the Federal tax situation, AZ is in the same boat as all the other states and that is they rely on FedGov-zilla to properly distribute tax monies that they (the States) have sent them. Few people realize that a portion of their local property taxes are sent to Washington to be redistributed by the DoEd (after they skim their “administrative costs”!)

The best route would be to tell FedGov-zilla to collect the taxes on their own as they would no longer forward any monies to them.


27 posted on 07/09/2012 8:34:52 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Nowhere Man

“All 50 States should secede.”

####

No thanks.

I want NOTHING to do with Leftists.

NO conversation.

No “exchange of ideas”.

No cocktails.

And least of all, not even a single infectious germ contaminant, of their consummately destructive ideology.


28 posted on 07/09/2012 8:35:33 AM PDT by EyeGuy (Armed, judgmental, fiscally responsible heterosexual.)
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To: trotskylvalia
50 states should secede and send illegals to remaining 7 states.

I know it's only Monday, but that could be post of the week.

29 posted on 07/09/2012 8:36:07 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork
In the parent/child relationship between the two ...

No. The U.S. is not the parent of its member states.

30 posted on 07/09/2012 8:37:14 AM PDT by Spirochete (Sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork
Should Arizona secede?

If Obama is reelected, yes.

31 posted on 07/09/2012 8:40:54 AM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork

The only way Obammy would let Arizona leave would be for it to join Mexico.


32 posted on 07/09/2012 8:44:42 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Leaning Right
Too late.

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33 posted on 07/09/2012 8:45:21 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: napscoordinator

many states pay out $2 for every dollar they get back.

The money that comes in, in large goes to waste, such as welfare, or the well connected.


34 posted on 07/09/2012 8:46:12 AM PDT by MNDude ( Victimhood is the Holy Grail of liberalism)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork

There is absolutely no reason for Arizona to even consider the thought of seceding. This is a distortion or contamination of perspective.

Arizona citizens and most citizens of the United States are conservative and form the core of what it means to be US citizens. Those of the left should be concerned they have separated into their own nation because they cannot live by the Constitution and traditional structures of the United States. It is not Arizona’s problem, it is the problem of people, many in gov’t, who don’t “fit” in a free and advanced society. It is the left who are on the path to seceding. Arizona is just fine and need do nothing but push back.


35 posted on 07/09/2012 8:46:24 AM PDT by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not on the "right")
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To: cripplecreek

“JOIN OR DIE.”


36 posted on 07/09/2012 8:46:29 AM PDT by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: TenthAmendmentNetwork

If at first you don’t secede, try, try again...................


37 posted on 07/09/2012 8:46:43 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: All
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to 'be perpetual.' And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained 'to form a more perfect Union.' It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?
38 posted on 07/09/2012 8:46:50 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: RC2
The States can apply to the federal government for protection from invasion. When the federal government fails to provide this protection the states should sue for breach of contract and then secede from the union. The feds would have no ground to stand on in relation to the secession because they did not meet the requirements of the contract.

Section. 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

39 posted on 07/09/2012 8:46:50 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: driftless2
You can't be serious. Read the constitution. All new states are brought into the union on the same basis as the older states.

They are sovereign

40 posted on 07/09/2012 8:48:45 AM PDT by muawiyah
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