Should Arizona secede?

Tenth Amendment Network ^ | 7/9/2012 | Marc Gindin

[TenthAmendmentNetwork]

An air of hostility now broods between the state of Arizona and the United States government. In the parent/child relationship between the two -- as upheld by the Supreme Court in its recent rulings on Arizona's immigration law -- Arizona finds itself in an unenviable position with a choice to make: 1) back down from a bullying federal government and fall into line; 2) wait out the problem and hope for a friendlier administration as soon as 2013; or 3) consider the unthinkable: find a path to secede from the United States.

[Nowhere Man]

All 50 Governors need to form an alliance and fire fedzilla.

That'll work too.

[Jane Long]

I can’t imagine how all these states think they could seceed when they take so much money from the Federal Government. Very few states would survive on their own.

I think you're confusing AZ with Kalifornia, my FRiend.

AZ makes a lot more than it takes.

[Ingtar]

Who was the Roberts in the 5-3 Texas v. White case?

[rovenstinez]

It technically is landlocked, but I can easily think the Mexicans would give them access on the Colorado River to the Sea of Cortez...

[Leaning Right]

Arizona cannot secede from the U.S. legally

The actually is one way. The states could call for a Constitutional Convention, then pass an amendment allowing for secession.

Other than that, impossible. As someone once wrote, the Civil War made it "settled law" that states cannot secede from the Union as the Constitution stands now.

And for what it's worth, I'd love to see the states at least talk about calling for a Convention. Maybe that would scare the Fed's into respecting the 10th amendment.

[cripplecreek]

It technically is landlocked, but I can easily think the Mexicans would give them access on the Colorado River to the Sea of Cortez...

You are aware that Mexico is on Obama's side?

[Cletus.D.Yokel]

They also have the option of nullification.

As for the Federal tax situation, AZ is in the same boat as all the other states and that is they rely on FedGov-zilla to properly distribute tax monies that they (the States) have sent them. Few people realize that a portion of their local property taxes are sent to Washington to be redistributed by the DoEd (after they skim their “administrative costs”!)

The best route would be to tell FedGov-zilla to collect the taxes on their own as they would no longer forward any monies to them.

[EyeGuy]

“All 50 States should secede.”

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No thanks.

I want NOTHING to do with Leftists.

NO conversation.

No “exchange of ideas”.

No cocktails.

And least of all, not even a single infectious germ contaminant, of their consummately destructive ideology.

[Leaning Right]

50 states should secede and send illegals to remaining 7 states.

I know it's only Monday, but that could be post of the week.

[Spirochete]

In the parent/child relationship between the two ...

No. The U.S. is not the parent of its member states.

[umgud]

Should Arizona secede?

If Obama is reelected, yes.

[GraceG]

The only way Obammy would let Arizona leave would be for it to join Mexico.

[cripplecreek]

Too late.

[MNDude]

many states pay out $2 for every dollar they get back.

The money that comes in, in large goes to waste, such as welfare, or the well connected.

[iacovatx]

There is absolutely no reason for Arizona to even consider the thought of seceding. This is a distortion or contamination of perspective.

Arizona citizens and most citizens of the United States are conservative and form the core of what it means to be US citizens. Those of the left should be concerned they have separated into their own nation because they cannot live by the Constitution and traditional structures of the United States. It is not Arizona’s problem, it is the problem of people, many in gov’t, who don’t “fit” in a free and advanced society. It is the left who are on the path to seceding. Arizona is just fine and need do nothing but push back.

[cld51860]

“JOIN OR DIE.”

[Red Badger]

If at first you don’t secede, try, try again...................

[moonshot925]

The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to 'be perpetual.' And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained 'to form a more perfect Union.' It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?

[Ratman83]

The States can apply to the federal government for protection from invasion. When the federal government fails to provide this protection the states should sue for breach of contract and then secede from the union. The feds would have no ground to stand on in relation to the secession because they did not meet the requirements of the contract.

Section. 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

[muawiyah]

You can't be serious. Read the constitution. All new states are brought into the union on the same basis as the older states.

They are sovereign