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1 posted on 07/12/2012 8:01:00 AM PDT by cleghornboy
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You are free to join a church that conforms to your every whim or form your own church, lady.
2 posted on 07/12/2012 8:04:30 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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I think Ms. Scalia needs to read 1 Timothy and Titus to brush up on what the Apostle Paul says about the requirements for Priests/Pastors. The words “Beyond reproach” should jump out at her.


3 posted on 07/12/2012 8:05:16 AM PDT by circlecity
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“If Christians have any interest in reaching out to the gay community...”

What the hell for????

Fags need to forsake the “gay community” and reach out to the church.


4 posted on 07/12/2012 8:09:41 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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A man trying to mate with another man’s anal canal is insane. A female trying to mate with another female with a rubber appliance is insane. An adult trying to mate with a child is insane. A human trying to mate with a dog is insane. It’s like Uncle Joe sitting at your dinner table trying to eat by shoving a carrot in his ear and telling you that’s just his lifestyle. It may be, it may even be his religion, but it’s still an insane behavior.


6 posted on 07/12/2012 8:15:21 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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Elizabeth Scalia, a writer/blogger ...
Sooooo, some totally unknown blogger disagrees with the Pope ... THE Pope ... and this is news? A feckin' blogger? WTF gives a rat's @ss?
8 posted on 07/12/2012 8:17:09 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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Like this Prosecutor TOLD you SCOTUS was going to uphold ObamaCare. I tell you now . . they will uphold gay marriage. They will uphold Roe v. Wade (with maybe some minor limits). We are consistently being sold a bill of goods. Even now, they are trying to push Romney upon us as being some real choice.

It is time to think. It is time to rise up. It is time to ignore the pundits. It is time to be real conservatives and not lemmings.


10 posted on 07/12/2012 8:20:08 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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Just curious. Didn’t the Catholic Church recently have a major scandal that cost them a great deal of money and prestige because supposedly celibate priests turned out to be homosexual pedophiles? I seem to recall something like this happening. Maybe the Church is more gay-friendly than you think.

I have no problem with *repentant* homosexuals in the church. It’s the unrepentant ones that would upset me, much like unrepentant adulterers or unrepentant rapists.


11 posted on 07/12/2012 8:20:19 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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Ah. So instead of subscribing to a set moral standard, we’ll just give the “buffet” treatment to the issue, i.e., pick and choose those morals we find suitable.

Doesn’t quite work that way.


16 posted on 07/12/2012 8:38:10 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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This makes no logic for orthodox faiths which have married priests.

By logical extension her arguments would apply to any fetish no matter how weird, pervers, OR ILLEGAL.


18 posted on 07/12/2012 8:40:45 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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"If Christians have any interest in reaching out to the gay community..."

I'll reach out to help pull them out of their crap-hole, but just as sure as forked-tongued demons lie, I'm not jumping in with them.

19 posted on 07/12/2012 8:44:29 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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First Things was founded for two purposes, apart from “religion in the public square”:

1. To try to bring together real Christians—Protestants and Catholics—and believing Jews, to work together against the modernists and atheists on those issues they agree on.

2. To support orthodox Catholicism.

I was a subscriber from the start, but I dropped out about a year after Fr. Neuhaus died, since it no longer seemed to have his unique touch. I hope they have enough sense to drop this idiot from their “blogger” list. They do not want to be associated with this kind of stupid heresy.


20 posted on 07/12/2012 8:49:07 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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“If Christians have any interest in reaching out to the gay community, if we have any hope to speak a message which can touch their hearts as well, we absolutely must be willing to live as their family.
...........................................................
I don’t have any intention of reaching out to them or touching their hearts or any other part of them that they may wish me to touch.

God Almighty reached out to them in Sodom.

Keep screwing around with them and he may reach out again.

You wouldn’t like that Ms. Scalia.

If you believe in God you should listen to his words and see his actions.

PS: Maybe you should lose a few pounds too.Gluttony is another sin.


25 posted on 07/12/2012 8:53:49 AM PDT by Venturer
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Homosex is a pattern of human behavior...
It is a chosen "orientation"... a "preference" by design or default.

It is NOT an inherited trait or legacy such as one's ethnicity or physical characteristics.

HEAD'S UP-- THERE NOT A "GAY GENE"!

These moral/relational choices and acted-out behavior patterns are nothing more...

The homosex and LGBT "community" has decided/defaulted into the philosophical commitment, and affirmed among themselves (circular logic)... that...
"WHAT THEY DO" ...is indeed "WHO THEY ARE".

They have confused their actual identity with & by their (social/sexual) behavior patterns.

When any person declares themselves a member of the opposite sex "trapped" in the wrong body....
They are calling God a liar...

--AND--
By taking extreme steps through medical science for gender "reassignment"...
They are declaring that God didn't know what he was doing when he made them.

The Bible tells us in the OT Law and the explanation of NT Grace that these unnatural behaviors are an abomination before God, contrary to nature, and ultimately, worthy of divine judgment and eternal condemnation.

Even some traditional streams of faith have defaulted, and/or embraced this intentional confusion: "Behavior?? or Identity??"

My point is summed up simply --
Regardless of human passions, affections, and original tendencies...
GOD IS NOT CONFUSED!

Redemption through Christ's ransom remains God's loving offer to all mankind.

And to deny that in Christ alone...
Forgiveness, cleansing, transformation, and healing of the sin-damaged soul, the power of God delivers a sinner from these behavior/identity sin-traps--
...And all the others under the sun...

Such denial is unbelief -- pure and simple.
Denial of God's word, refusing God's offer of salvation, and avoiding God's own power to save...

The moment opinion, commentary and analysis fails to defend this most basic point: that homosex is a chosen behavior pattern-- In truth -- it's NOT a biological identity--
...alas, the argument is lost.

Speak truth to deception...
Shine light into darkness...

Sing a hymn...
Pass the plate....

May God bless those who know Him and all who seek Him.

26 posted on 07/12/2012 8:56:01 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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Gays have to change THEIR ways and come to the CHURCH, not the CHURCH changing IT”S ways.......Lizzie is dancing on the TRAPDOOR of HELL.


29 posted on 07/12/2012 8:58:07 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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"If Christians have any interest in reaching out to the gay community" Heh. Boy is she stupid. Guess what? We don't. Go join the United church or something.
30 posted on 07/12/2012 9:01:01 AM PDT by Catholic Canadian
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You “reach out to the gay community” the same way you reach out to all sinners - by preaching Christ and him crucified. If someone is of the elect they will be regenerated in God’s time and circumstance after hearing the Gospel. If they are not elect then no amount of “reaching out” will ever convert them.


32 posted on 07/12/2012 9:01:46 AM PDT by circlecity
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My pastor had a brief aside in his sermon this last week regarding homosexuals. He said he is often asked if being homosexual is natural. He said there are a lot of things that are natural, that are not good. You could be born with a genetic problem, or acquire a disease like cancer, and maybe even be born homosexual ... but none of that matters. With Christ you can become a NEW creation, and be born again. The arguement is not whether one is born homosexual, it is whether they choose to put aside the old and live a life ordained by God, which would mean ceasing all homosexual activity.


35 posted on 07/12/2012 9:11:29 AM PDT by RainMan (Jesus, please return soon.)
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The Catholic Church isn’t a politician running for President; it has no mandate to “reach out” to special interest groups. In current terms, “reaching out” merely means adopting the beliefs and mores of the special interest group whose support is being sought, for purely political gain.

The Church’s tenets are immutable and have no need of being massaged to give the Church broader appeal. People - all people - are welcome to join the Catholic Church and embrace its beliefs and teachings, but on the Church’s terms, not their own. The gay mafia finds this intolerable, an organization that actually has clearly articulated standards, ones that don’t bend with the winds of personal desire. Right and wrong are clearly delineated, and personal - or sexual - convenience are not taken into account.

Time for the gays to grow up.


39 posted on 07/12/2012 9:22:10 AM PDT by DPMD
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This woman is just an angry dyke. Who cares what she thinks?


40 posted on 07/12/2012 9:25:41 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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Church: Elizabeth Scalia is wrong about homosexuality being compatible with priesthood

Just google 'sex abuse scandal in Boston'; 'John Jay report on sex abuse scandal'; or simply John Geoghan. Nuff said.

43 posted on 07/12/2012 9:35:57 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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