Skip to comments.Did Obama's COLB Originally Claim a Home Birth?
Posted on 07/26/2012 5:42:58 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
In Sheriff Joe Arpaio's press conference, the Cold Case Posse presented further evidence that Obama's Certificate of Live Birth presented to the public was forged.
One of the points they raised was the presence of handwritten codes next to a number of the informational boxes on the COLB, and suggested that the codes did not match the substance of the information typed into the boxes in certain cases, providing one more indication of digital tampering.
The link for this thread is a Vital Statistics Instruction Manual issued by HEW revised August 14, 1961 which refers to some of the codes used for birth certificates at that time (which was in a link found by freeper Natufian). (Obama was born in early August according to his COLB, so we don't know if this manual or an earlier version was actually used, even if we believe the part of the document on which the codes appear was actually derived from an original 1961 document.)
Discussion so far has focused on the coding for race of the father, indicated as "9" on the COLB.
However, attention should also be focused on one of the other coded items: namely, whether the original COLB listed a hospital birth or a home birth.
One theory offered to explain why Obama presented a digitally-altered COLB is that Grandma Toot originally submitted a half-handwritten, half-typed document (as once described by Linda Fukino to reporter Michael Isikoff). This document was a rather dodgy piece of paper that would raise more questions than it answered if examined closely.
According to this theory, Grandma Toot listed Stanley Ann as the mother and Barack Obama as the father and the address on Kalanianaole Highway where grandparents Stanley and Toot were then living as the address both of the mother and where the baby was born.
Where Stanley Ann really was at the time of birth is a matter of speculation, since she was first seen with the baby in Seattle and the daughter of the family with whom grandparents Stanley and Toot were living does not remember any new-born infant being brought to the house.
This document submitted by Grandma Toot was automatically included in the information delivered by the vital statistics department to the newspapers for recent births, and therefore would explain the appearance of the two newspaper announcements.
Later, however, when it was important for Obama to have a birth certificate that others might look at, it was considered necessary to change this into a normal-looking birth certificate that someone born in a hospital would have.
The home birth story was too thin, especially since if anyone interviewed the family with whom the grandparents were living and they said no baby was born in their home, the whole story would collapse. On the other hand, in the case of a maternity hospital, lots of babies were being born there and it would be no problem if no one specifically remembered this particular baby and privacy laws would prevent an examination of the records of the hospital.
If true, then THE INFORMATION OF MOST INTEREST ON THE COLB WOULD BE PLACE OF BIRTH ON THE ORIGINAL UNALTERED DOCUMENT -- WAS IT A HOME BIRTH OR A HOSPITAL BIRTH?
Looking at the Instruction Manual, it indicates on page 14 that a hosptital birth or with a physician in attendance should be coded 1.
In the case of a home birth, if a midwife attended it should be coded 3.
If it was a birth at home, and neither a midwife nor a physician was present, then it should be coded 4.
Turning now to Obamas purported birth certificate, we see a handwritten code number in the margin immediately to the left of the box in which Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital is typed.
This handwritten number is cut off and only the right side of the number appears.
However it is clearly NOT a 1 and clearly NOT a 3.
It looks like the right side of the number 4.
This would mean the original document claimed a home birth at which neither a physician nor a midwife was present.
This would be one additional point of evidence, in addition to the other evidence presented by Sheriff Arpaio's Cold Case Posse, that Obama presented a digitally-tampered birth certificate.
Above is full link to article containing the instruction manual link.
Are you familiar with the source of this article?
the kenyan born commie was born july 22 not aug 4 which gave ann dunham plenty of time to return to hawaii and then onto seattle late august.
It is likely that someone claimed Obama was born under a coconut palm tree on King Kamehameha Avenue, Honolulu, and Obama later amended his “vital records” to say he was born at Kapiolani hospital.
And all legal in Hawaii.
Clearly there needs to be further digging as to the proper sources of the coding instructions in 1961.
And this thread is NOT to debate the coding for father’s race, since there is a whole ‘nother thread on that topic.
The purpose of this thread is to invite comment on the apparent evidence, based on this source document, that Obama’s COLB was originally coded as a “home birth.”
In 1961 if a white woman had a black baby lots of people would be talking and lots of people would remember.
... Home birth was debated years ago. It was also use for the people not born in HI and is sometimes termed “birth without a primary medical witness”
If you can find the BC from the ruler in CHina IIRC you’ll find he claims “home birth” too.
Guess it all depends on the meaning of “home” or where home is.....
Back then, most women spent nearly a week in the hospital after a birth. (the ave. non-complicated birth). My mother spent nearly a week (60’s)
The one point that I am very curious about is that, to my knowledge, there has NEVER been any confirmation from Kapiolani, much less any records.
Yes, I know they would need permission to say anything, but what is there to hide?
If Obumbo was born there, he should be quite anxious to show the proof.
Am I missing something?
I don’t know where he was born. I do know not one person in politics has the balls to ask.
Cowards every one.
We have a nation run by cowardly rich politicians.
No you aren’t. I wrote them a letter back in 2009. They responded back saying they could not verify it for privacy reasons. This was around the time they were using the letter written on WHouse stationary by the President, that Kapiolani was using for fundraising. When the questions about this letter ensued, it “disappeared” (essentially)
That manual is useless except as fodder for even more speculation.
“When the questions about this letter ensued, it disappeared (essentially)”
Yes, I saw the letter posted on the Internet.
It was very official looking, on White House stationary.
The following buzz was that the White Hut had retracted the letter, for reasons unknown.
If, and it is a big if, he was born in Hawaii, my guess is that it was a home birth, something that would fit his hippie mother.
WND has a pile of documentation that once again make a Kenyan birth also quite possible.
Since we now know that a HI birthcertificate cannot be used without secondary documentation and since one of those is hospital documentation a home birth presents a great deal of trouble for 0. He could also present a family Bible, his baptismal certificate or an affidavit from an older relative who witnessed the birth....:)
IIRC Butterdezillions research points to a delayed birth registration. They were sometimes used in registration of Home births. Requirements for this requires among other things the “signature of parents”. Notice the s. If that included both parents, it may be one of the reasons SR visited over Christmas in 1971. OTOH the number assigned being so close to the twins number would seem to rule out a registration not completed until 71.
Here's my comment...
This is BS! You're trying to force a debate/conversation with information that may not fit the situation!
Without the proper manual everything is still all speculation.
This shouldn't be used as evidence of any sort, apparent or actual.
Home birth? Hell, Obama the narcissist probably claims he was born in a manger.
I posted this a while ago, don’t remember when, but here it is again:
If someone is an Article II natural-born citizen, it doesn’t matter where he or she was born. It could have been in a hospital, a barn, the back seat of a car, anywhere as long it was to two American citizen parents and here in the U.S.A. The first president to have been born in a hospital was Jimmy Carter. Others before him were home births.
” his baptismal certificate”
I tend to doubt that he was ever baptized.
I suspect his mother was an atheist..agnostic at best.
I also suspect that Obama, himself, is an atheist.
His hanging out in Ruvrund Wrong’s temple of hate, does not
display any religion.
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