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How Much are Movies Themselves to Blame for Aurora Massacre?
The Virginian ^ | 7/28/2012 | Moneyrunner

Posted on 07/28/2012 8:41:59 AM PDT by moneyrunner

If it's now coming out that the Colorado Killer, James Holmes, was obsessed with being a character in the Batman movie, shouldn't we be having a national discussion on how much Hollywood is responsible for this murderous rampage. And while we're at it, a lot of the other social ills like the sexualization of teens, out-of-wedlock births and gang violence, all depicted in living color on the silver screen? On Tuesday, Matt Drudge linked to a blistering attack on Hollywood by Charles Hurt of the Washington Times in response to the massacre at the midnight Friday showing of the new Batman movie in Aurora, Colorado: You are devastated that such an “innocent and hopeful place” — here you are talking about the movie theaters that play your twisted movies — would be violated in such an “unbearably savage” way. I mean, really, who could think up such monstrous hatred and nihilistic violence? Umm, have you watched any of your own movies lately?

And, in the selfless modesty that is the hallmark of an Academy Awards ceremony, you tell us that your “feelings” about the massacre are so deeply profound that the mere words of the English language built up over hundreds of years are simply not up to the task of describing them. Wow. You do have a gift for fantasy.

But the real clue that you remain shrouded in guilt-free delusion is when you mention the “senseless tragedy that has befallen the entire Aurora community.” Senseless? Really? If by “senseless” you mean carried out almost precisely from the scripts of your own movies, then, sure, it was “senseless.”


TOPICS: Arts/Photography; Books/Literature; Music/Entertainment; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: blame; hollywood; influence; jamesholmes; movies
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To: moneyrunner

Crazy people obsess over lots of things, you could never remove every possible influence to their delusions, nor would it stop the delusions. All you would do is inconvenience the rest of us who are not crazy and will never develop a violent delusion no matter how many violent movies we watch.


21 posted on 07/28/2012 9:40:10 AM PDT by Valpal1
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To: umgud
Yes, there was violence in the 1950’s too but it was not GRAPHIC with exploding heads and chests or savage beatings like in the spiderman movies. Just look at the 1960’s tongue & cheek Batman series compared to the stream of Batman films that have come out in recent years. Look at the Joker for example. Cesar Romero played the Joker in the 1960’s. Yes, he was a villain, yes he was evil and criminal but he did not look HIDEOUS and darkly evil like the current Batman films. All I am saying is that Hollywood and the rest of popular TV/Film culture has upped the ante in terms of GRAPHIC violence since the days of John Wayne and the Indian wars. The thrill and shock factor bar is set so high that if there is no massive blood and GRAPHIC gore, the film just doesn't cut the EXTREME mustard.
22 posted on 07/28/2012 9:41:33 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: livius
A perfect example of cartoonish a bad guy that conservatives could find at least some agreement with.

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An adult conservative had no problem accepting the fact that he was a bad guy while admiring the free market spirit in him.

Its as if society is leaving following generations with stunted emotional and intellectual growth and incapable of complex conflicting thoughts.
23 posted on 07/28/2012 9:48:22 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: moneyrunner

probably because we refuse to be our brothers’ keepers


24 posted on 07/28/2012 10:03:14 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch ( if you love, you will not condemn, and if you condemn, you cannot love)
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To: moneyrunner
How Much are Movies Themselves to Blame for Aurora Massacre?

There is one and only one thing/person to blame, and that is the despicable POS who commited this crime.

25 posted on 07/28/2012 10:05:08 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: moneyrunner

300,000,000 people see a cumulative one-third to one trillion murders depicted per year.
One third to one half of those people have easy access to a gun.
For all that, there is about one mass shooting per year.
That pretty much eliminates any correlation.
That pretty much proves no causation.

In contrast, 93 people are killed each day with automobiles.
And nobody gives a damn.


26 posted on 07/28/2012 10:09:40 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: moneyrunner

There was a Cracked.com article on the most vicious, horrific scenes in Shakespeare. Cutting off a girl’s tongue and hands. Feeding a dead child to an unsuspecting parent. Murders of parents by children and vice versa. Shakespeare had lots of blood, guts and gore. No one is blaming his classic works for murders through the centuries.
Blame the murderers, not the social media they may have watched.


27 posted on 07/28/2012 10:31:04 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: moneyrunner

Hollywood must have been worried that their films may have caused the murder of JFK. They immediately withdrew THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE from circulation for many years.

After the death of Bobby Kennedy all movies from the 1940s through the 1960s were recut and butchered to remove “excessive violence” before being shown on TV. Now, if those movies had no influence why were they recut?

And if movies don’t influence people why is there so much product placement in them? Now James Bond is drinking a European beer instead of his usual “Shaken, not stirred”. drink.

What inspired a kid to think he could fly and throw himself out of an apartment window after seeing SUPERMAN?

What inspired an idiot to injure himself jumping his unmodified auto like THE DUKES OF HAZARD?

Why did white dinner jackets fly off the shelf after James Bond wore one in DR NO?

Why did the .44 mag S&W become scarce after the DIRTY HARRY movie?

What inspired Colt to start making their old Peacemaker in the 1950s?

What inspired two young people to go on a killing spree after seeing NATURAL BORN KILLERS?

Movies are not so much entertainment as a source of advertizement. They won’t affect most of us but then there are still kooks out there.


28 posted on 07/28/2012 10:40:01 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: ronnie raygun

Your comment is off base, psychiatrists have a duty to report criminal activity, and they adhere to it. The idea that a psychiatrist is breaking patient confidentiality by reporting criminal activity is a Hollywood myth. You can bet that this shrink had no idea what he was planning.


29 posted on 07/28/2012 11:01:19 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: job

Thank you for cutting to the chase and describing what happened from a biblical, theologically correct position = the root of the problem - sin, the motivation behind his henious actions - his own lusts, and the fact that he alone bears responsibility for his crimes, not “guns” or movies, etc.


30 posted on 07/28/2012 11:07:55 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: moneyrunner

Movies can affect those prone to violence or the mentally unstable. In the early 70’s I was stationed at Hill AFB, at the base theater they played a Eastwood Dirty Harry Film (Magnum Force IIRC) a week later 3 airmen from the base went into Ogden UT and acted out a murder during the course of a robbery ie made people drink drano as a guy in the film did.

Clearly these people were prone to violence and went to prison for their crimes, however the roles of the movie with these criminals cannot be ignored.


31 posted on 07/28/2012 11:40:41 AM PDT by Leto
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To: moneyrunner

If the guy was obsessed with being the Joker he sure didn’t do a good job of it. Clothes are all wrong, color scheme is all wrong, the bombs as distraction plan was kind of Joker-esque except his bombs didn’t work, then there’s the whole giving himself up peacefully thing. Pretty much not Joker, which tells you exactly how much it’s because of the movies: not at all.


32 posted on 07/28/2012 11:47:54 AM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: Netz
Yes, there was violence in the 1950’s too but it was not GRAPHIC with exploding heads and chests or savage beatings like in the spiderman movies.

You could make the case that it's video games as much or more than movies that influence these kooks.

Just look at the 1960’s tongue & cheek Batman series compared to the stream of Batman films that have come out in recent years. Look at the Joker for example. Cesar Romero played the Joker in the 1960’s.

Well, as you say, it was a tongue-in-cheek version made for the family television audience, so there wasn't an opportunity for graphic violence.

I watched a documentary about exploitation film director Roger Corman recently. He's been doing some very gory and grisly stuff for almost 60 years now, without it having much effect, so far as I know.

To be sure, though, Roger Corman's movies were so low budget and cheesy and the effects were so obvious that few self-respecting nuts would want to imitate them.

33 posted on 07/28/2012 11:57:46 AM PDT by x
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To: x
No doubt that the video game world has added to this bloody, gory, realism but combine this with Hollywood's fascination with violence and Armageddon scenarios (New York has already been wiped off the map 26 times) and you get a disaster-oriented, blood splattering, Rambo - it's cool to “waste ‘em” society. Even in the JFK, famous “Zapruder” film where JFK is murdered graphically, it took from 1963 to 1975 just to release the segment to the American public. No, we are all de-sensitized now and require greater and greater violence thresholds just to get the thrill of movie going.
34 posted on 07/28/2012 8:57:13 PM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Great points. I don’t know why others aren’t seeing this.


35 posted on 07/29/2012 5:40:45 PM PDT by InHisService (Jesus is coming back. Are you ready?)
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